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12/1/2024 5:44:44 PM EDT
[#1]
I kinda want a dump pouch. Not sure why. Nobody wears them where I train because empty mags are for gays and don’t get into the habit of picking up empty mags and all of that. I’d be convenient for policing empties from the line to the bench though. Thoughts on dump pouches in general? I’d buy Esstac.
12/1/2024 6:27:30 PM EDT
[#2]
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Originally Posted By GingerShanks:
I kinda want a dump pouch. Not sure why. Nobody wears them where I train because empty mags are for gays and don’t get into the habit of picking up empty mags and all of that. I’d be convenient for policing empties from the line to the bench though. Thoughts on dump pouches in general? I’d buy Esstac.
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You could also use it for water. I have 2 of the small Maxpedition pouches and a 32oz Nalgene fits perfectly, a canteen does not though.
12/1/2024 6:37:06 PM EDT
[#3]
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Originally Posted By GingerShanks:
I kinda want a dump pouch. Not sure why. Nobody wears them where I train because empty mags are for gays and don't get into the habit of picking up empty mags and all of that. I'd be convenient for policing empties from the line to the bench though. Thoughts on dump pouches in general? I'd buy Esstac.
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That's basically what I use mine for. BFG ten speed, small footprint and out of the way when I don't need it.
12/1/2024 7:48:24 PM EDT
[#4]
I like having a dump pouch. If I don't want to put anything in it, I don't have to. If I need somewhere to put stuff and don't have one, I'm out of luck.
Dildos don't even make me raise an eyebrow anymore... you've got to have something a whole lot weirder than that in your rectum if you want to impress me. - TheGrayMan
12/3/2024 9:30:09 AM EDT
[#5]
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez:

General setup
Pistol x2
Rifle x2
Med kit
Tq x2
Holster

Pistol main (like LE or Pistol comp)
Pistol x2-3
Support item (Ex: Rifle x1, baton, flashlight, cuffs, smoke, bang, etc)
Med kit
Radio (le)
Holster
Tq x2

Rifle main
Rifle x2-3
Pistol x1
Med kit
Holster
Tq x2
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@hoody2shoez you have any pics of running rifle main?  I’m a 31” waist and I’m about maxed out running 1 pistol/2 rifle mags.  I’m trying to not use double stacked if I can avoid it.

AXL belt with the following:
Multi tool in pouch
Spiritus jsta with UG inserts
BFG single rifle
Med kit
Dump pouch
Holster

This lets me keep my front pretty clear so I can actually get down behind a rifle fairly comfortably.  

I can post pics when I get off work.

12/3/2024 11:44:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bdover:


@hoody2shoez you have any pics of running rifle main?  I’m a 31” waist and I’m about maxed out running 1 pistol/2 rifle mags.  I’m trying to not use double stacked if I can avoid it.

AXL belt with the following:
Multi tool in pouch
Spiritus jsta with UG inserts
BFG single rifle
Med kit
Dump pouch
Holster

This lets me keep my front pretty clear so I can actually get down behind a rifle fairly comfortably.  

I can post pics when I get off work.

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No pics

Weak side in this order:
Pistol
Single rifle
Single or double rifle

You could do two singles or one double and have two. You can also put one rifle on weak side and one behind your pistol holster strong side meant for tac reloads and/or bumping mags
12/3/2024 11:53:27 AM EDT
[#7]
If you want to save some room on your belt, I've come to really like the kinetic Consulting pouch.

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-dump-pouch-cordura-version

There are 3 different versions, material, weight, size variations. The link above has a video in the picture section so you can see how it mounts. It basically attaches below your mag carrier pistol or rifle. I've been using a couple for a few years now and they have been solid.

Here are the other 2 versions:

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-mini-dump-pouch

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-dump-pouch

The 2nd amendment is not just a right, it's a responsibility. So train like it...
12/3/2024 1:24:49 PM EDT
[#8]
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Originally Posted By Fongman:
If you want to save some room on your belt, I've come to really like the kinetic Consulting pouch.

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-dump-pouch-cordura-version

There are 3 different versions, material, weight, size variations. The link above has a video in the picture section so you can see how it mounts. It basically attaches below your mag carrier pistol or rifle. I've been using a couple for a few years now and they have been solid.

Here are the other 2 versions:

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-mini-dump-pouch

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-dump-pouch

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@Fongman ooooo.  I like that I would’ve lose my dump pouch.  That’s slick
12/3/2024 4:57:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bdover:


@Fongman ooooo.  I like that I would’ve lose my dump pouch.  That’s slick
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I saw the pouch at a Jon Dufresne class and thought it was a smart design.

I don't like pouches at my 6 O'clock belt position. Having it slick back there is just easier on my back getting in and out of vehicles. Moving a dump pouch to my side helped free up some room on the back.

The 2nd amendment is not just a right, it's a responsibility. So train like it...
12/3/2024 4:59:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WorkDroid][Edited] [#10]
Finally took the plunge. This shit aint cheap yo

ESSTAC 2" enhanced shooters belt
G-code scorpion rifle/pistol pouches
Dump pouch
Safariland 6390's with forks for g34, p226 and p320


Cant wait to put it all togather
It should be no surprise that the government wants to protect itself from the governed under the guise of protecting the governed ~sbhaven
12/3/2024 5:50:42 PM EDT
[#11]
I wear mine at 7:00 and recommend a roll-up for a number of reasons, but mainly so your friends don't fill it with rocks while you're shooting. I have an old coyote USMC dump pouch that works fine for me, because I don't have any friends...
My doctor told me to exercise more, so I've decided to take up Feng Shui.
12/3/2024 6:29:03 PM EDT
[#12]
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Originally Posted By Fongman:
If you want to save some room on your belt, I've come to really like the kinetic Consulting pouch.

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-dump-pouch-cordura-version

There are 3 different versions, material, weight, size variations. The link above has a video in the picture section so you can see how it mounts. It basically attaches below your mag carrier pistol or rifle. I've been using a couple for a few years now and they have been solid.

Here are the other 2 versions:

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-mini-dump-pouch

https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-dump-pouch

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This company makes them in conjunction with Flatline Fiber Co., who has them still on sale until 12 tonight.
ARFCOM Philosophy--Do you consider the magazine half full or half empty?
12/3/2024 6:49:36 PM EDT
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Looking to build a range/quick response/shtf belt setup. What are some recommendations on systems to look at? Mainly looking to carry pistol and rifle mags and IFAK only
14 time Team Member Give away loser
12/3/2024 7:24:16 PM EDT
[#14]
I’m a big fan of Esstac all the things.
12/3/2024 7:42:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WorkDroid][Edited] [#15]
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Originally Posted By dnmccoy:
Looking to build a range/quick response/shtf belt setup. What are some recommendations on systems to look at? Mainly looking to carry pistol and rifle mags and IFAK only
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I had the same goals and did a lot of research.

The basics are pretty much a belt, holster, mag pouches and whatever else you want to hang on there. Knife, med bag, gloves, etc.... I added a dump pouch.

Other than that its all about reseaching what brands/makes you want. The list is huge. Theres a crap tonn of belts of different widths and designs.

For example: Mag pouch wise the big three seems to be kiwi, taco and G-code. I chose g-code because they're more flexable. I can go shooting with whatever rifle/pistol mags I want and not have to change out pouches or have a caliber specific belt setup. G-code will hold 308, 762x39, 556 or sub gun stick mags in one rifle pouch. Their pistol pouches will hold double or single stack. OTOH the other two (kiwi and taco) are more magazine specific.

It should be no surprise that the government wants to protect itself from the governed under the guise of protecting the governed ~sbhaven
12/3/2024 8:47:14 PM EDT
[#16]
I’m still researching just the belts, haven’t even started on looking at pouches yet!


Stupid question, but looking at 2 piece belts with separate inner and outer, do you have to wear the inner? For example Esstac enhanced shooter. I’m looking for something that can be easily thrown on, not having to waste time threading an inner belt through my belt loops for maximum retention. On range trips it would be fine
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12/3/2024 9:21:17 PM EDT
[#17]
Inner belt and outer belts work in conjunction with each other. The other option is to take the outer belt and mate it to a Velcro pad from HSGI or Wilder Tactical, etc.. makes a 1.75” shooter or cobra type belt into a sure grip. They work great for throwing on over sweatpants or winter layers.
12/4/2024 6:34:56 AM EDT
[#18]
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Originally Posted By GingerShanks:
Inner belt and outer belts work in conjunction with each other. The other option is to take the outer belt and mate it to a Velcro pad from HSGI or Wilder Tactical, etc.. makes a 1.75” shooter or cobra type belt into a sure grip. They work great for throwing on over sweatpants or winter layers.
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@dnmccoy this is correct, mostly.  I’ve got the AXL belt & it doesn’t use the normal type Velcro so I can use a pad. But I’d def get something that’s compatible with a pad.
12/4/2024 8:40:34 AM EDT
[#19]
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Originally Posted By dnmccoy:
I’m still researching just the belts, haven’t even started on looking at pouches yet!


Stupid question, but looking at 2 piece belts with separate inner and outer, do you have to wear the inner? For example Esstac enhanced shooter. I’m looking for something that can be easily thrown on, not having to waste time threading an inner belt through my belt loops for maximum retention. On range trips it would be fine
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Get the OG. VTAC belt.
12/5/2024 10:37:20 AM EDT
[#20]
Any adjustable belts worth their salt?

With winter here, I’d like to more comfortably wear my belt over various winter clothing, especially when pig hunting.

Got a recommendation?
12/5/2024 2:36:56 PM EDT
[#21]
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Originally Posted By RegularJoe58:
Any adjustable belts worth their salt?

With winter here, I’d like to more comfortably wear my belt over various winter clothing, especially when pig hunting.

Got a recommendation?
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Most of them are adjustable and durable. Do you have a more specific need or desire about the type of adjustment you are looking for?
12/5/2024 7:32:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation:


Most of them are adjustable and durable. Do you have a more specific need or desire about the type of adjustment you are looking for?
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Yeah, I’d guess that wasn’t very clear. I’ve got an esstac belt that I built up and it has the cobra style buckle. I know I can adjust that belt but I’m wondering if any of the ratcheting style adjustable belts are any good.

12/5/2024 10:06:28 PM EDT
[#24]
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Originally Posted By RegularJoe58:


Yeah, I’d guess that wasn’t very clear. I’ve got an esstac belt that I built up and it has the cobra style buckle. I know I can adjust that belt but I’m wondering if any of the ratcheting style adjustable belts are any good.

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Yeah, I follow: quickly and easily size adjustable. I too have wondered how the ratcheting belts hold up for that same reason. I haven't done anything about it, though, as I have not been in that much of a hurry to this point.
12/5/2024 10:33:58 PM EDT
[#25]
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Originally Posted By RegularJoe58:
Any adjustable belts worth their salt?

With winter here, I’d like to more comfortably wear my belt over various winter clothing, especially when pig hunting.

Got a recommendation?
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If you have a belt with a cobra buckle, try a dog collar or harness extender.

If you're looking for a whole new belt, have you looked at KORE with the ratchet adjustment?
12/7/2024 4:37:41 PM EDT
[#26]
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Originally Posted By GingerShanks:
I kinda want a dump pouch. Not sure why. Nobody wears them where I train because empty mags are for gays and don’t get into the habit of picking up empty mags and all of that. I’d be convenient for policing empties from the line to the bench though. Thoughts on dump pouches in general? I’d buy Esstac.
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The Flatline Fiber Co. dump pouch mounts behind your magazine pouch and takes no space on the belt, but is there if you need.

Why not have one?
12/7/2024 4:41:16 PM EDT
[#27]
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Originally Posted By dnmccoy:
Looking to build a range/quick response/shtf belt setup. What are some recommendations on systems to look at? Mainly looking to carry pistol and rifle mags and IFAK only
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Pick your preferred double belt setup with an inner belt and outer gun belt, and outfit the gun belt with a pad for when you don't have time to put on the inner belt. Best of both worlds.
12/7/2024 5:35:51 PM EDT
[#28]
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Originally Posted By GTRider245:

Pick your preferred double belt setup with an inner belt and outer gun belt, and outfit the gun belt with a pad for when you don't have time to put on the inner belt. Best of both worlds.
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Thats what I decided on
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12/9/2024 9:01:13 AM EDT
[#29]
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Originally Posted By Yea-Right:


This company makes them in conjunction with Flatline Fiber Co., who has them still on sale until 12 tonight.
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I have the one from Flatline and like it a lot.  I was running out of room on my belt and didn't want to push the dump pouch toward my back anymore.  The Flatline pouch (and the one linked above) works perfectly for what I need and where I want to put it on my belt.
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12/9/2024 8:56:03 PM EDT
[#30]


Grabbed this mini asstac dumper and a gucci ifak. Always wanted one of these. I took the contents out of the TRex med pouch it replaced and made a med kit for my work bag.
12/20/2024 12:54:55 AM EDT
[#31]
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Originally Posted By GingerShanks:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/505129/IMG_5493-3402243.jpg

Grabbed this mini asstac dumper and a gucci ifak. Always wanted one of these. I took the contents out of the TRex med pouch it replaced and made a med kit for my work bag.
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Two tourniquets on the belt.  Impressive.
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12/20/2024 6:05:08 AM EDT
[#32]
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Originally Posted By lew:


The ATS has a tendency to roll and sag heavily when loaded. The one I had did not have any sort of stiffener. My HSGI belts are better all-around, but you're going to pay more.
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Originally Posted By lew:
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Is the oldschool ATS warbelt been outclassed by the latest? Looking for a padded belt with the option for suspenders.

Been considering outfitting my old alice lc2 belt for S&Gs


The ATS has a tendency to roll and sag heavily when loaded. The one I had did not have any sort of stiffener. My HSGI belts are better all-around, but you're going to pay more.


Mine never did that, but I mounted the padded belt on a Blackhawk 2” pistol belt, so it took up the entire slot on the belt.

Those pistol belts are less than $20 on the secondary market and I think I paid $12 for mine.

They last forever, so you definitely get your money out of them.
Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim gun and they have not.
1/3/2025 9:51:46 PM EDT
[#33]
Questions for the experts.

Please recommend a top 3 choice for Belt.  Large size.

Black / Ranger Green.   Standard Molle i think.

What is the inner belt for?  

1/3/2025 9:57:09 PM EDT
[#34]
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw:


Mine never did that, but I mounted the padded belt on a Blackhawk 2” pistol belt, so it took up the entire slot on the belt.

Those pistol belts are less than $20 on the secondary market and I think I paid $12 for mine.

They last forever, so you definitely get your money out of them.
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw:
Originally Posted By lew:
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Is the oldschool ATS warbelt been outclassed by the latest? Looking for a padded belt with the option for suspenders.

Been considering outfitting my old alice lc2 belt for S&Gs


The ATS has a tendency to roll and sag heavily when loaded. The one I had did not have any sort of stiffener. My HSGI belts are better all-around, but you're going to pay more.


Mine never did that, but I mounted the padded belt on a Blackhawk 2” pistol belt, so it took up the entire slot on the belt.

Those pistol belts are less than $20 on the secondary market and I think I paid $12 for mine.

They last forever, so you definitely get your money out of them.

Some company makes a tegris insert for those surplus Eagle belts, can't recall who though.
1/4/2025 10:21:22 AM EDT
[#35]
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Originally Posted By sw25th:
Questions for the experts.

Please recommend a top 3 choice for Belt.  Large size.

Black / Ranger Green.   Standard Molle i think.

What is the inner belt for?  

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The inner belt goes through your pants belt loops. It has velcro on it. The outer belt velcros to the inner belt.

As for best, everyones gonna give you a different opinion.  I have a Blue Alpha and like it. Kore is popular, Esstac is popular, Agilite's magnetic belt seems cool, Haley Strategic makes a belt. Everyone makes a belt.
1/4/2025 9:02:20 PM EDT
[#36]
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Originally Posted By CJ47:


The inner belt goes through your pants belt loops. It has velcro on it. The outer belt velcros to the inner belt.

As for best, everyones gonna give you a different opinion.  I have a Blue Alpha and like it. Kore is popular, Esstac is popular, Agilite's magnetic belt seems cool, Haley Strategic makes a belt. Everyone makes a belt.
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ok thankyou.  had looked at the 511 belt but nothing seemed particular great about it.
1/15/2025 3:09:22 PM EDT
[#37]
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T-Rex Arms speed belt
Esstac mag pouches
T-Rex Dump Pouch
T-Rex Ragnarok holster

I've changed it a bit with my IFAK, it's about to get changed again with the Fiberline Co dump pouch. Also, because why not, I'm switching IFAK's to get smaller. I attached all of my pouches with one wrap so I have a lot of grip on the inner belt. So far so good.
1/15/2025 4:45:40 PM EDT
[#38]
Its a start

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1/16/2025 5:01:58 PM EDT
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I think this is the final form

1 pistol
3 rifle
1 smoke
With the ability to shove 1 additional of each in the jsta for
2p
4r
2s

Smoke, multitool, batteries, flashlight on the pistol side

@bdover

This is a rifle main
1/16/2025 5:05:57 PM EDT
[#40]
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/20250116_155606_jpg-3436179.JPG

I think this is the final form

1 pistol
3 rifle
1 smoke
With the ability to shove 1 additional of each in the jsta for
2p
4r
2s

Smoke, multitool, batteries, flashlight on the pistol side

@bdover

This is a rifle main
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@hoody2shoez
Who makes that holster?
1/16/2025 5:18:49 PM EDT
[#41]
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@hoody2shoez
Who makes that holster?
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Midwest tactical

Be aware-spring assisted level 2 is NOT an option with them (I'm not a fan of it anyway) but if that's your jam I'd look elsewhere.

However I REALLY like this holster. They have a TON of cool patterns like FUCKING BLACK TIGER STRIPE
1/16/2025 5:30:28 PM EDT
[#42]
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez:

Midwest tactical

Be aware-spring assisted level 2 is NOT an option with them (I'm not a fan of it anyway) but if that's your jam I'd look elsewhere.

However I REALLY like this holster. They have a TON of cool patterns like FUCKING BLACK TIGER STRIPE
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez:
Originally Posted By Gatorvet:



@hoody2shoez
Who makes that holster?

Midwest tactical

Be aware-spring assisted level 2 is NOT an option with them (I'm not a fan of it anyway) but if that's your jam I'd look elsewhere.

However I REALLY like this holster. They have a TON of cool patterns like FUCKING BLACK TIGER STRIPE

I second MWTS.
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1/16/2025 6:00:27 PM EDT
[#43]
Thanks fellas!
1/16/2025 11:27:40 PM EDT
[#44]
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/20250116_155606_jpg-3436179.JPG

I think this is the final form

1 pistol
3 rifle
1 smoke
With the ability to shove 1 additional of each in the jsta for
2p
4r
2s

Smoke, multitool, batteries, flashlight on the pistol side

@bdover

This is a rifle main
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@hoody2shoez hows that belt work for you getting in/out vehicles? I'm always worries about loading up my belts like that for no logical reason. And, as a civy, the likelihood of me doing anything remotely vehicle oriented is extra slim, I still find myself worrying about it.
1/17/2025 12:30:33 AM EDT
[#45]
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Originally Posted By CJ47:

@hoody2shoez hows that belt work for you getting in/out vehicles? I'm always worries about loading up my belts like that for no logical reason. And, as a civy, the likelihood of me doing anything remotely vehicle oriented is extra slim, I still find myself worrying about it.
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In my Honda civic? Not great lol
1/19/2025 5:26:55 PM EDT
[#46]
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez:

In my Honda civic? Not great lol
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Yea, my Impreza would likely not like if I added much more of anything to it. Still a sweet belt.
1/20/2025 10:27:40 AM EDT
[#47]
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Originally Posted By GTRider245:

Pick your preferred double belt setup with an inner belt and outer gun belt, and outfit the gun belt with a pad for when you don't have time to put on the inner belt. Best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted By GTRider245:
Originally Posted By dnmccoy:
Looking to build a range/quick response/shtf belt setup. What are some recommendations on systems to look at? Mainly looking to carry pistol and rifle mags and IFAK only

Pick your preferred double belt setup with an inner belt and outer gun belt, and outfit the gun belt with a pad for when you don't have time to put on the inner belt. Best of both worlds.
I have the Wilder on my Esstac and it's not quite on sizing wise. I have to try and adjust it to work with the pad and then size down when it goes onto the inner belt. Not a quick process with how mine is set up. I'm thinking about an ATS for the over belt and just have two setups.

I have a XL Tactical Tailor padded belt but I'm smaller than when I bought it and I'm out of downward adjustment. Same with my Esstac two piece.
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1/21/2025 7:29:37 PM EDT
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Didn't make any changes to the belt in 2024. Two new items in the new year - Coyote dump pouch and Arbor Arms 16oz bottle pouch.

The dump pouch is fine. I mean, it's a dump pouch...Water pouch I'm on the fence over. It has zero give - 16oz bottle or no dice. Just a smidgen of elastic or shock cord would provide for so much flexibility.
1/22/2025 12:12:29 AM EDT
[#49]
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Originally Posted By WorkDroid:
Finally took the plunge. This shit aint cheap yo

ESSTAC 2" enhanced shooters belt
G-code scorpion rifle/pistol pouches
Dump pouch
Safariland 6390's with forks for g34, p226 and p320


Cant wait to put it all togather
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Have you been able to use the scorpion pouches yet? I am looking at those and am thinking about getting them. The cost does appear to be the downside.
1/22/2025 3:30:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 170Driver:
Have you been able to use the scorpion pouches yet? I am looking at those and am thinking about getting them. The cost does appear to be the downside.
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For me they're just right. Not to grippy I struggle to get the mag out, but I have confidence they'll stay put. Havent done cart wheels with loaded mags yet though
The inside of the pouches are a semi-rubberized texture.

What really sold me is their versatility. Rifle pouches hold AR, AK, AR308 and M1A mags. Pistol pouches hold double and single stack no prob.

If youre taking something different to the range everytime then G-codes the way to go. Otherwise the cheaper dedicated mag type pouch will save you money.

Tacos are versatile too, not sure if they are cheaper, but Ive read tacos dont have a fared insertion lip like the G-code. Meaning mags can catch and roll down the top lip of the taco.
It should be no surprise that the government wants to protect itself from the governed under the guise of protecting the governed ~sbhaven

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