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Link Posted: 8/7/2024 9:13:41 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/7/2024 1:28:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By drobs:


New production made in the USA Zenith.
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Originally Posted By drobs:
Originally Posted By DH243:


Is this a new production zenith, or an old zenith imported mke?


New production made in the USA Zenith.


Gotcha, if it was me I'd let them have that one back.  You've done your due diligence, and even if you swap enough parts to get it to run, will you ever have confidence in it?
Link Posted: 8/7/2024 1:29:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HK-Slap:


Some of us can easily afford the price of a real HK... just sayin

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Originally Posted By DH243:


One can also say that that same line of thinking is used by hk fan bois to justify the 3x price....just sayin.


Some of us can easily afford the price of a real HK... just sayin



You got me there.  I'll just go enjoy my AI rifles at 1k.....
Link Posted: 8/7/2024 7:49:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cherenkov:
Does the backplate of your brace have a hole for your recoil rod to nest/sit in?

I've noticed some aftermarket braces and back plates do not - this can allow the recoil rod to move slightly.

The recoil rod should nest inside the hole/recess so it doesn't move around - it should be strait and not wobble around freely.

Give it a look.
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Originally Posted By cherenkov:
Does the backplate of your brace have a hole for your recoil rod to nest/sit in?

I've noticed some aftermarket braces and back plates do not - this can allow the recoil rod to move slightly.

The recoil rod should nest inside the hole/recess so it doesn't move around - it should be strait and not wobble around freely.

Give it a look.


It has a recess for the recoil rod. I've taken it apart a couple times now.

Originally Posted By DH243:
Originally Posted By drobs:
Originally Posted By DH243:


Is this a new production zenith, or an old zenith imported mke?


New production made in the USA Zenith.


Gotcha, if it was me I'd let them have that one back.  You've done your due diligence, and even if you swap enough parts to get it to run, will you ever have confidence in it?


I think you are right. I'm going to re-install the Zenith extractor and and take the free return / credit.


Link Posted: 8/7/2024 8:32:06 PM EDT
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I've had great luck with ptr with a fullsize and k.  The welded optic mount is a plus(to me), mlok handguard that has proven stable for ir laser, and US made.
Link Posted: 8/7/2024 10:19:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GlockfanUT:
Mine seems to run just fine…

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111848/IMG_2326_jpeg-3287713.JPG
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As I'm sitting here next to my wife, seat reclined and i have a full sized mp5 in my lap while watching tv.

I see this.
I showed it to my wife "see perfectly normal!"

I want a normal neighbor like you.  
Guys across the street: California.
Neighbor next door: green party
Other neighbor: a stupid bitch

Me:  the only normal one.


Link Posted: 8/8/2024 9:18:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DH243:
I've had great luck with ptr with a fullsize and k.  The welded optic mount is a plus(to me), mlok handguard that has proven stable for ir laser, and US made.
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My temptation is to get a MKE AP5-P
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-ap5-p-HG6035ab-n

Ultimately the disposable funds would be better spent on big ranch hand style bumper for my F150.
https://steelcraftautomotive.com/i-30497704-hd-replacement-front-bumper-semi-gloss-black.html
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 9:58:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By drobs:


My temptation is to get a MKE AP5-P
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-ap5-p-HG6035ab-n

Ultimately the disposable funds would be better spent on big ranch hand style bumper for my F150.
https://steelcraftautomotive.com/i-30497704-hd-replacement-front-bumper-semi-gloss-black.html
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I know the pain, jeep wrangler owner and a cabin cruiser (boat) owner.

I need a windlass, and power trim tabs for the boat.
$300 to fill it with gas.
I just spent a few hundred on some towables for the boat... lol

The jeep needs to be regeared because i put 35in tires on it and a lift.
Air lockers with that, while I'm there and stuff.

So i own Break Out Another Thousand
And Just Empty Every Pocket

Last year i already put offroad bumpers and a winch on the Jeep.

I have been thinking about lots of pews i want right now, but I gotta have priority's.

I avoid going in gun stores right now.  
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 10:13:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gibbles:



I know the pain, jeep wrangler owner and a cabin cruiser (boat) owner.

I need a windlass, and power trim tabs for the boat.
$300 to fill it with gas.
I just spent a few hundred on some towables for the boat... lol

The jeep needs to be regeared because i put 35in tires on it and a lift.
Air lockers with that, while I'm there and stuff.

So i own Break Out Another Thousand
And Just Empty Every Pocket

Last year i already put offroad bumpers and a winch on the Jeep.

I have been thinking about lots of pews i want right now, but I gotta have priority's.

I avoid going in gun stores right now.  
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Originally Posted By drobs:


My temptation is to get a MKE AP5-P
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-ap5-p-HG6035ab-n

Ultimately the disposable funds would be better spent on big ranch hand style bumper for my F150.
https://steelcraftautomotive.com/i-30497704-hd-replacement-front-bumper-semi-gloss-black.html



I know the pain, jeep wrangler owner and a cabin cruiser (boat) owner.

I need a windlass, and power trim tabs for the boat.
$300 to fill it with gas.
I just spent a few hundred on some towables for the boat... lol

The jeep needs to be regeared because i put 35in tires on it and a lift.
Air lockers with that, while I'm there and stuff.

So i own Break Out Another Thousand
And Just Empty Every Pocket

Last year i already put offroad bumpers and a winch on the Jeep.

I have been thinking about lots of pews i want right now, but I gotta have priority's.

I avoid going in gun stores right now.  


Lol I also own a Jeep and have a lease on a boat slip at the local Marina.

Just paid for another year on the lease - $1600.

I share a pontoon boat with a friend, we put a new / used 90HP Johnson Motor on it. My cut of that was about $1k.

I too could stand to put gears and lockers in my Jeep.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 10:46:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By drobs:


My temptation is to get a MKE AP5-P
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-ap5-p-HG6035ab-n

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Wait until after this weekend.  I'll give you an update on mine with non-HK mags and 124 gr. Winchester ammo.

ETA:  It will be suppressed with an 80° locking piece.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 1:14:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By number40Fan:


Wait until after this weekend.  I'll give you an update on mine with non-HK mags and 124 gr. Winchester ammo.

ETA:  It will be suppressed with an 80° locking piece.
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Link Posted: 8/8/2024 1:23:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By drobs:


Lol I also own a Jeep and have a lease on a boat slip at the local Marina.

Just paid for another year on the lease - $1600.

I share a pontoon boat with a friend, we put a new / used 90HP Johnson Motor on it. My cut of that was about $1k.

I too could stand to put gears and lockers in my Jeep.
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This boat has my first I/O (mercruiser), outboard engines are so much simpler to deal with.
I spent way more than 2k (about 4k) this year just getting it ready for this summer.
And i still need to pull the engine once more due to an issue with the exhaust Y...


And for those going "just get a sp5", some of us have priorities.
I also like tinkering with shit, it's fun and frustrating... lol

I also like how the mkes have the front pin.
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 1:17:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RED_5:



and that is on a 'new' Zenith??

IIRC the optimal gap is 0.010" - 0.020", and in-tolerance is in-tolerance, but wow.

I wonder if putting in some "-2" rollers would put things into a more comfortable (wear) range?

But I don't think that has any issue on your FTE
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Originally Posted By RED_5:
Originally Posted By drobs:
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Checking the bolt gap: .020 fits .021 doesn't.

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and that is on a 'new' Zenith??

IIRC the optimal gap is 0.010" - 0.020", and in-tolerance is in-tolerance, but wow.

I wonder if putting in some "-2" rollers would put things into a more comfortable (wear) range?

But I don't think that has any issue on your FTE

I would be happy with that bolt gap. Remember, as it wears, the bolt gap decreases. A measurement at the large end of the spec gives you more room for wear before you have to add plus rollers when it gets to .008
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 8:03:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/9/2024 9:27:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By drobs:


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Originally Posted By drobs:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:


Wait until after this weekend.  I'll give you an update on mine with non-HK mags and 124 gr. Winchester ammo.

ETA:  It will be suppressed with an 80° locking piece.



Buy it. I only ran 100 rounds using cheap plastic mags I bought off the EE and not a single issue.
Link Posted: 8/10/2024 7:25:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By number40Fan:

Buy it. I only ran 100 rounds using cheap plastic mags I bought off the EE and not a single issue.
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Originally Posted By drobs:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:


Wait until after this weekend.  I'll give you an update on mine with non-HK mags and 124 gr. Winchester ammo.

ETA:  It will be suppressed with an 80° locking piece.



Buy it. I only ran 100 rounds using cheap plastic mags I bought off the EE and not a single issue.


Nice!
Link Posted: 8/17/2024 8:49:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By drobs:


Nice!
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Originally Posted By number40Fan:
Originally Posted By drobs:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:


Wait until after this weekend.  I'll give you an update on mine with non-HK mags and 124 gr. Winchester ammo.

ETA:  It will be suppressed with an 80° locking piece.



Buy it. I only ran 100 rounds using cheap plastic mags I bought off the EE and not a single issue.


Nice!


Another 100 flawless rounds with the AP5-P and cheap mags.  I loaded the mags with 10 rounds, 20 rounds and the full 30 on both trips out.

Only complaint is the gun gets a little warm when it is over a 100° out.  
Link Posted: 8/18/2024 8:13:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By number40Fan:


Another 100 flawless rounds with the AP5-P and cheap mags.  I loaded the mags with 10 rounds, 20 rounds and the full 30 on both trips out.

Only complaint is the gun gets a little warm when it is over a 100° out.  
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Originally Posted By drobs:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:
Originally Posted By drobs:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:


Wait until after this weekend.  I'll give you an update on mine with non-HK mags and 124 gr. Winchester ammo.

ETA:  It will be suppressed with an 80° locking piece.



Buy it. I only ran 100 rounds using cheap plastic mags I bought off the EE and not a single issue.


Nice!


Another 100 flawless rounds with the AP5-P and cheap mags.  I loaded the mags with 10 rounds, 20 rounds and the full 30 on both trips out.

Only complaint is the gun gets a little warm when it is over a 100° out.  



I got one on order.
Link Posted: 8/18/2024 7:44:10 PM EDT
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Both of mine with OE Mags (KCI) and Federal 124 FMJ
Ran perfectly well today,
I had an extractor on hand, and more Copper Springs and Black Springs
Didn't need them ran perfectly well....  

Until on the k model. I tried some of my 115 WWB... on the fuller size it just worked never tried 115 in it.
Nope... just NOPE it failed on the second round of that crap. one of them was a death sentence in the real world I would have been displacing and covering with my tried and true glock!
that round was STUCK between bolt and carrier. could not retract the bolt, had to remove the stock and to get the spring pressure off, it was VERY stuck... no idea why... pried stuck case out, and... a roll pin fell out... a small diameter very short one... like the ones in the recoil guide rod...  the FRONT of the recoil guide rod. where suddenly BOTH roll pins were missing. other end roll pins present and accounted for.

W
T
F?

So back to 124 Fed... and... stoppage halfway through mag 1, last two rounds of Mag 2....

Put in a Black spring and it ran like a champ for the record I used the book method to install it.

I tested all the mags I had with me, the OE Shiny KCI mags and a dry park KCI mag, I did not have any Hk mags handy.

Suppressed or open it ran great.

On a separate note. I had my M92 Zastava I built from a 0 kit YEARS back. with a Dead Air Wolverine, OLD Russian 122 Gr, Newer Russian 122 Gr, Heavier Russian Soft Point don't remember the weight, all steel case... Short Stroking, not even far enough to eject or pickup the next round but far enough to reset the hammer, none of it worked so I had a box of Winchester Brass. from work. and.... same issue. I need to try some of the Subsonic! LOL

Everything else ran flawlessly.

Need to get an Ejector, to swap in for no earthly reason I suppose. Maybe it would help the 115s.
Link Posted: 8/24/2024 9:36:38 PM EDT
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I got one on order.
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Added a brace.  Still no issues.

Post a vid when you get yours!
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