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Posted: 12/14/2023 7:41:37 PM EDT
I had two early PTR 91s which had some problems so I dumped them.
i have an HK91 but see catch myself looking at ptr 91. It seems like there are numerous models with different names but the look the same to me. |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 8:02:49 PM EDT
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I like the GIRK best of my PTR rifles
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Posted: 12/14/2023 8:27:20 PM EDT
[#2]
Get the 8.5 pistol and SBR it.
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Posted: 12/15/2023 7:45:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigfish9202: I like the GIRK best of my PTR rifles I have the PTR91SC model that is very similar and have had zero problems. The 16 inch guns seem much more wieldy. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 7:46:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ATLANTIC-FIREARMS]
[#4]
All of the current PTR rifles are solid , You need to determine what you will use the rifle for and that will help narrow down the model that will best fit your needs .Below is a pic of the PTR GIRK that has the 16 inch barrel .
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Posted: 12/15/2023 10:03:55 AM EDT
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I’ve been a PTR fanboi for years and I think all their options are pretty solid now. You can distill down the product lines pretty easily:
GI - more “basic” early mil-style. Grey park finish, green furniture, metal lower. A3 - more “premium” line. Black powder coat finish, black furniture, uses their own polymer Navy-style lower. All of the A3 line includes the receiver rail. You’ll sometimes see an “S” with the A3 which typically denoted the “slim” handguard over the wide style. The supply of surplus/contract wide handguards has evaporated so it’s pretty much the only option. The “R” on the GI-series indicates the welded rail on the receiver. Most have it now, it’s a ton better than the stupid claw mounts. “K” will denote the 16” barrel vs the 18” on the rifles. The best starter options in my mind are the GIR or the A3SK. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 9:27:12 PM EDT
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As a GI owner I would suggest getting one with the rail if you might ever entertain the idea of using an optic.
I want to now and wish I had gotten the rail. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 2:07:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FADALdude]
[#7]
Originally Posted By Aimless: I had two early PTR 91s which had some problems so I dumped them. i have an HK91 but see catch myself looking at ptr 91. It seems like there are numerous models with different names but the look the same to me.  You’ve already got the full sized example so get the G3K clone from PTR instead. Everything is G3 compatible except the 33/K specific parts for the front end. Gatewood has factory ventilated hand guards to replace the PTR stock set. ETA: CDNN has been auctioning off NOS A3 stocks for ~$450 each if you haven’t seen prices lately. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:59:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: All of the current PTR rifles are solid , You need to determine what you will use the rifle for and that will help narrow down the model that will best fit your needs .Below is a pic of the PTR GIRK that has the 16 inch barrel . https://atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/product/ptr-girk-308-rifle.jpg |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 12/31/2023 5:55:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dragynn]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: As a GI owner I would suggest getting one with the rail if you might ever entertain the idea of using an optic. I want to now and wish I had gotten the rail. This. Got the GI-R model and couldn't be happier, and now that wife is semi-retired we'll finally be able to do the elk hunt next year. GI-R model was very affordable, yet just as easy to upgrade whenever we got a few extra bucks to spend on new stuff. ETA: Things I have found for softer shooting, wife is small, in her mid-50's, and has had shoulder surgery so a bolt-action was out of the question. 1. Big heavy rifle helps a LOT, sucks to tote, but soaks up a bunch of recoil. It goes without saying that semi-auto is mo bettah than bolt-action too for softer shooting. 2. Heavy buffer 3. HK-21 buttpad 4. RF zero-impulse brake, very affordable and really does a number on felt recoil, it's like night and day over the factory FH. Crappy pic I just posted in another thread, hard to see the optic/mount, but the rail sure made it easy when it came time to add an optic, and rifle has functioned flawlessly: 
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Posted: 1/1/2024 1:19:07 AM EDT
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I had the 91 GIR. Liked it a lot. Functioned great and never had any issues with it.
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Posted: 1/1/2024 1:39:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: This. Got the GI-R model and couldn't be happier, and now that wife is semi-retired we'll finally be able to do the elk hunt next year. GI-R model was very affordable, yet just as easy to upgrade whenever we got a few extra bucks to spend on new stuff. ETA: Things I have found for softer shooting, wife is small, in her mid-50's, and has had shoulder surgery so a bolt-action was out of the question. 1. Big heavy rifle helps a LOT, sucks to tote, but soaks up a bunch of recoil. It goes without saying that semi-auto is mo bettah than bolt-action too for softer shooting. 2. Heavy buffer 3. HK-21 buttpad 4. RF zero-impulse brake, very affordable and really does a number on felt recoil, it's like night and day over the factory FH. Crappy pic I just posted in another thread, hard to see the optic/mount, but the rail sure made it easy when it came time to add an optic, and rifle has functioned flawlessly: https://imgdump5.novarata.net/drq461.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: Originally Posted By Spade: As a GI owner I would suggest getting one with the rail if you might ever entertain the idea of using an optic. I want to now and wish I had gotten the rail. This. Got the GI-R model and couldn't be happier, and now that wife is semi-retired we'll finally be able to do the elk hunt next year. GI-R model was very affordable, yet just as easy to upgrade whenever we got a few extra bucks to spend on new stuff. ETA: Things I have found for softer shooting, wife is small, in her mid-50's, and has had shoulder surgery so a bolt-action was out of the question. 1. Big heavy rifle helps a LOT, sucks to tote, but soaks up a bunch of recoil. It goes without saying that semi-auto is mo bettah than bolt-action too for softer shooting. 2. Heavy buffer 3. HK-21 buttpad 4. RF zero-impulse brake, very affordable and really does a number on felt recoil, it's like night and day over the factory FH. Crappy pic I just posted in another thread, hard to see the optic/mount, but the rail sure made it easy when it came time to add an optic, and rifle has functioned flawlessly: https://imgdump5.novarata.net/drq461.jpg Recommendation accessory for a better cheek weld: https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-CHEEK-PIECE-25p1879.htm |
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Posted: 1/1/2024 2:43:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dragynn]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0351: Recommendation accessory for a better cheek weld: https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-CHEEK-PIECE-25p1879.htm It's pretty good without it, more of a chin-weld for the wife but she's happy with it. You can't see from my crappy pic, but that scope is sitting low, I actually had to widen the #1 notch just a bit as the eyepiece was just kissing it on the edges of the notch. Warne 203-lm's, they sit at .650 from top of the pic rail to bottom of scope body, most folks use the ultra-high's but i'm really a stickler for trying to keep the scope closer to the bore, I measured it all very carefully and got lucky, like I said, just a tiny mod to the rear sight. Also important was scope choice, some people will use those uber high mounts to clear the charging handle when they use a longer scope, the scope I used was the shortest quality 3x9 I could find, took me a while to find it too as searches on scope length don't really work as the dimensions are buried in the specs somewhere. Burris Timberline, really nice glass and not expensive, I think I paid 225 plus shipping. And it sits far enough back from the CH to absolutely not interfere, I can do the HK slap, woo-hoo! |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 1:07:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigfish9202: I like the GIRK best of my PTR rifles THIS |
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Posted: 5/20/2024 2:48:01 PM EDT
[#14]
Which one is closest to a factory HK 91?
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Posted: 5/22/2024 7:14:22 AM EDT
[#15]
Century just bought 50k Portuguese G3s. PTR is reassembling them with new receivers and barrels. I want one.
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Posted: 5/22/2024 8:55:23 AM EDT
[#16]
Do you know what model that will be?
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Posted: 5/22/2024 9:39:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountry: Century just bought 50k Portuguese G3s. PTR is reassembling them with new receivers and barrels. I want one. https://atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/product/century-arms-ca3-rifle.jpg Is there a target date for when these will be on the market, if you know? |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 11:55:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glock_forty5: Is there a target date for when these will be on the market, if you know? You can buy them now. Atlantic firearms has them. |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 11:56:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glock_forty5: Available now. Is there a target date for when these will be on the market, if you know? Available now. |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 8:44:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ATLANTIC-FIREARMS]
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The first shipment sold out quickly, We have another shipment in route now and should see these right after memorial day.
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Posted: 5/22/2024 8:47:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: The first shipment sold out quickly, We have another shipment in route now and should see these right after memorial day. https://atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/product/century-arms-ca3-308-para-rifle-1.jpg |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:19:56 AM EDT
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Are the Century branded guns actually PTR? I thought they were different?
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Posted: 5/23/2024 11:14:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: Are the Century branded guns actually PTR? I thought they were different? I saw a Shot Show video where the Century CEO said that they were partnering with PTR for these guns. They did it several years back with the C93 (5.56). Those are highly sought after now due to their quality. The old Century C308s are of hit and miss quality. If they run, then they run. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 12:16:35 PM EDT
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If it is going to be a rifle I’d just do a 16” with the rail. That GIRK seems like a decent starting point. These things are so long a 16” feels like a lot of 18-20 guns. I’ve been wanting to buy the 12.5” pistol and SBR it. I was thinking a 12.5” with a wide hand guard and bipod would be cool(if one would fit I have no ideas which hand guard it uses)
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slimslade: Wish they made the 16" without the rail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slimslade: Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: All of the current PTR rifles are solid , You need to determine what you will use the rifle for and that will help narrow down the model that will best fit your needs .Below is a pic of the PTR GIRK that has the 16 inch barrel . https://atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/product/ptr-girk-308-rifle.jpg Is it only the 18”? I thought I had seen a 16” GI but maybe not. They all start to look the same. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 8:13:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By retired_11b: Get the 8.5 pistol and SBR it. This, don't be a boomer. 
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Posted: 5/31/2024 10:17:55 PM EDT
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I saw PTR is making/selling a nitrided HK91/PTR91 barrel.
Will they offer a nitrided barrel option on their complete rifles? They need to !!! |
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Posted: 6/1/2024 8:25:36 PM EDT
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 I'm partial to the 7.62x51 GI version. It may be heavy, but recoil is not the bugaboo some make it out to be. One day I'll pick up a 7.62x39 version. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 5:54:26 AM EDT
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Bringing this one back up to the top with a question.
Are PTR 91's reliable? Did you need to break in your PTR 91 and how many rounds did that take? Why do I ask this question? Watching 2 videos on PTR 91's leads me to believe they are not reliable out of the box. Hop 15m43s lots of FTF, FTE, FTRB etc  The PTR 91 Modernization Project Military Arms Channel 19m25s pogo sticking his PTR, that he sent back to PTR 3times  Why the G3 sucks. Flame suit on! |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 12:01:25 PM EDT
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I only have experience with older guns and they were usually rock solid. My guess is that like most things they are far more reliable than not but the failures are magnified like crazy. My gun ate any ammo I could find as long as it was lubed up. I only ever used mags that were probably all older than me and never replaced the springs.
I have no idea if the new ones are worse but I'd have no problem giving one a try. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 12:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: Bringing this one back up to the top with a question. Are PTR 91's reliable? Did you need to break in your PTR 91 and how many rounds did that take? Ours was and is 100% reliable out of the box, even with steel case ammo. Took 200 rounds of break-in before groups tightened up, but now is pleasingly accurate, not a tack driver, but good enough to hunt with and a blast at the range. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 1:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountry: I have the PTR91SC model that is very similar and have had zero problems. The 16 inch guns seem much more wieldy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountry: Originally Posted By Bigfish9202: I like the GIRK best of my PTR rifles I have the PTR91SC model that is very similar and have had zero problems. The 16 inch guns seem much more wieldy. I have the GI one with the rail (GIR?) and it has been 100% so far. I'd like the 16" but that seems like it would be freaking loud, lol. I have the PTR32 rifle and will get the pistol soon, just have other priorities right now. The 32 is a really pleasant shooter. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 1:33:04 PM EDT
[#32]
I DELIBERATELY got the one WITHOUT the rail.
I have all sorts of guns with rails on them. The PTR I got for the nostalgia aspect, and enjoyment of how it looks in its natural state. I do not wish to spoil the unique lines of the G3 design with a giraffe-neck contraption clamped atop it. Moreover, HOW HEAVY do you want it to be? |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 2:33:55 PM EDT
[#33]
They are already heavy a rail is inconsequential. I use optics on everything and a welded rail is a much better solution than what we've had to use on these in the past.
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Posted: 9/21/2024 3:55:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: W_E_G]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: They are already heavy a rail is inconsequential. I use optics on everything and a welded rail is a much better solution than what we've had to use on these in the past. Come on now. Weighs about the same as a FAL or a Garand until you start hanging everything on the accessories-page on it. By the time you actually install a scope and rings, and that godawful cheek-riser contraption on the buttstock, the weight and balance have changed tremendously. And the $$$ investment in the gun has gone way up too. I have target guns, and I have hunting guns, and I have go-to-hell guns. The PTR is none of those things for me. But to each his own. If the appetizer+entree+dessert+three bottles of wine version is what you like, then that's what you should have. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 5:10:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: They are already heavy a rail is inconsequential. I use optics on everything and a welded rail is a much better solution than what we've had to use on these in the past. Agreed. They are heavy and nothing says "FU brass" like a PTR 91, lol, but there are some nice intangibles though, like every time we go to the range and pull it out of the case pretty much everybody stops shooting and turns to stare and then comes up and introduces themselves and wants to check it out, have made some good friends this way and the oohs and ahhs make you feel good too. 
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Posted: 9/21/2024 6:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Come on now. Weighs about the same as a FAL or a Garand until you start hanging everything on the accessories-page on it. By the time you actually install a scope and rings, and that godawful cheek-riser contraption on the buttstock, the weight and balance have changed tremendously. And the $$$ investment in the gun has gone way up too. I have target guns, and I have hunting guns, and I have go-to-hell guns. The PTR is none of those things for me. But to each his own. If the appetizer+entree+dessert+three bottles of wine version is what you like, then that's what you should have. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: They are already heavy a rail is inconsequential. I use optics on everything and a welded rail is a much better solution than what we've had to use on these in the past. Come on now. Weighs about the same as a FAL or a Garand until you start hanging everything on the accessories-page on it. By the time you actually install a scope and rings, and that godawful cheek-riser contraption on the buttstock, the weight and balance have changed tremendously. And the $$$ investment in the gun has gone way up too. I have target guns, and I have hunting guns, and I have go-to-hell guns. The PTR is none of those things for me. But to each his own. If the appetizer+entree+dessert+three bottles of wine version is what you like, then that's what you should have. I have no idea what your point is. You compared it to other heavy guns. Yes optics add weight and cost obviously but the performance is worth it for me. I just ran a red dot not some heavy scope and mount but the add on rails sucked for numerous reasons and the factory rail is a much better option. I never ran a cheek riser but the reason you see them on these guns frequently is because the add on rails added too much height. I like them but would not take one over an AR or other modern gun. We are going to keep seeing lighter guns like the Rogue and SFAR so the difference will be even more noticeable. |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 11:08:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I have no idea what your point is.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By W_E_G: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: They are already heavy a rail is inconsequential. I use optics on everything and a welded rail is a much better solution than what we've had to use on these in the past. Come on now. Weighs about the same as a FAL or a Garand until you start hanging everything on the accessories-page on it. By the time you actually install a scope and rings, and that godawful cheek-riser contraption on the buttstock, the weight and balance have changed tremendously. And the $$$ investment in the gun has gone way up too. I have target guns, and I have hunting guns, and I have go-to-hell guns. The PTR is none of those things for me. But to each his own. If the appetizer+entree+dessert+three bottles of wine version is what you like, then that's what you should have. I have no idea what your point is..  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 6:08:11 PM EDT
[#38]
How are the muzzle shoulders on the 5/8×24 threaded PTRs? I'm interested in a K3P to SBR and suppress. Would a .30 dead air flash hider mount up ok?
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Posted: 9/22/2024 7:24:49 PM EDT
[#39]
I’m a big fan of this one. Handy, but stills beefy enough. Not very heavy recoiling with a break and a MG buffer
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Posted: 9/22/2024 7:35:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Aggie_Gunner]
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Posted: 9/22/2024 8:20:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: All of the current PTR rifles are solid , You need to determine what you will use the rifle for and that will help narrow down the model that will best fit your needs .Below is a pic of the PTR GIRK that has the 16 inch barrel . https://atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/product/ptr-girk-308-rifle.jpg I would not go 16 inch in 7.62 NATO. Stick with the 18 inch, it helps with the report. I got an 18 incher with the rail and green furniture off you guys back in 2016. It's a solid rifle. |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 8:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toby1: https://i.imgur.com/ro1zbjRl.jpg I'm partial to the 7.62x51 GI version. It may be heavy, but recoil is not the bugaboo some make it out to be. One day I'll pick up a 7.62x39 version. That wood looks incredible! I really want a set for my GI but Holy hell they're like 400 bucks. I'll break down and get a set eventually. Get the x39, you'll freaking love it. |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 8:47:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: Bringing this one back up to the top with a question. Are PTR 91's reliable? Did you need to break in your PTR 91 and how many rounds did that take? Why do I ask this question? Watching 2 videos on PTR 91's leads me to believe they are not reliable out of the box. Hop 15m43s lots of FTF, FTE, FTRB etc  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWvVRX6r5ooMilitary Arms Channel 19m25s pogo sticking his PTR, that he sent back to PTR 3times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6bwfXnZd1EAll of my new guns that I have bought, I stripped down and removed the preservatives and lubed up. It would usually be a few months before I would take it to it's first range trip. All the while I'd be cycling the action and dry firing. I noticed on my CETME L that the action smoothed really well and I didn't have any break-in issues with it. Same thing with my PTR rifles. |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 9:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: I would not go 16 inch in 7.62 NATO. Stick with the 18 inch, it helps with the report. I got an 18 incher with the rail and green furniture off you guys back in 2016. It's a solid rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: All of the current PTR rifles are solid , You need to determine what you will use the rifle for and that will help narrow down the model that will best fit your needs .Below is a pic of the PTR GIRK that has the 16 inch barrel . https://atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/product/ptr-girk-308-rifle.jpg I would not go 16 inch in 7.62 NATO. Stick with the 18 inch, it helps with the report. I got an 18 incher with the rail and green furniture off you guys back in 2016. It's a solid rifle. I like the 16" guns. They are loud though. One of the reasons I bought a 16" PTR is because they feel too long to start with. |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 9:04:16 PM EDT
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Two things I regret not getting into earlier:
An HK-91 clone and an L1A1 SLR. Maybe it's not too late for the former. |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 9:30:15 PM EDT
[#46]
16” with rail is the way to go.
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Posted: 9/22/2024 11:09:14 PM EDT
[#47]
With NO rail, these are classic battle rifles, no optics on G3 or FALs!
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Posted: 9/23/2024 4:12:09 PM EDT
[#48]
Seeing as you already have a 91, I'd say try the G3K version. Really a nice handling rifle and doesn't give up near as much as I'd have thought in terms of ballistics.
If anyone bitches about the noise then get a 51 too. |
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Posted: 9/23/2024 5:29:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By titan7: With NO rail, these are classic battle rifles, no optics on G3 or FALs! Glad to see there are at least TWO non-heathen in this thread. |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 11:11:40 AM EDT
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They just dropped the nitride barrel option yesterday.
Now I kinda want one again... |
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