Posted: 5/14/2013 11:42:02 AM EDT
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I have spent about 4-5 hours practicing quads after being pretty fast with dueces. These quads are fast! I can load on a full sprint too. I know what your thinking the disaster factor is high because its easy to drop shells. I thought the same thing. Turns out that they are so fast that even when dropping shells it's faster than weak hand.
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hahahahaha That is insane.
Thinking about starting some 3gun. Holy cow, this is still fun if you are not the fastest, right? TXL |
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Originally Posted By TxLewis:
hahahahaha That is insane. Thinking about starting some 3gun. Holy cow, this is still fun if you are not the fastest, right? TXL Since there is only 4-5 winners at each match we would all be quitting if it wasn't fun when you don't win. It's a great challenge and I've not seen many armed professionals that can work all 3 guns as well as an average 3 gun competitor. This is great training too! |
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Originally Posted By Tuflehundon:
What make are those caddies? I have been looking into them, but can't decide of I want belt mounted or chest mounted. Taccom http://www.makereadyproshop.com/product-p/tc-qld.htm |
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Originally Posted By Tuflehundon:
What make are those caddies? I have been looking into them, but can't decide of I want belt mounted or chest mounted. You probably want both unless you can load both strong and weak hand. I can only fit about 20 rounds on my belt from the strong side. |
Hey, this is looking pretty fast! As I am about to set me up for IPSC Shotgun I am looking for a good way to reload fast. This seems to be what I was looking for! 
Unfortunately, neither taccom nor any other dealer I found is will or able to export to Germany. Does anyone know a shop that would export six of those qualoads or any other (legal) way to get my hands on them? Thanks for your help! Best Regards Christian |
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Originally Posted By Clint-M:
The AP Customs seem to use the same retention clips on the dual and quadload caddies, how would you compare the clips between the two? You can PM me if you have conflicting sponsorships working here. The Carbon Arms clips provide the most retention of them all which also makes them the hardest to remove. The AP Customs clips provide the weakest retention of them all which also makes them fast to remove when loading but more susceptible to falling out inadvertently. |
| Ideally, you could buy an extra set of springs from AP and put one on the outside set of springs on each caddie and it should provide a wee bit more retention yet still release close to the same. This is just talk as of now, when my AP L2/6 comes in I'll give it a try and see how it feels. |
| I am thinking that the strong side quad will not work for all hands. Even when carefully placing the shells into my strong hand with my weak hand, I just barely get a one finger contact on the outer two shells and this allows them to splay apart. With some work I think I might be able to make four from the weak hand work from the bottom though. I will see if I can get the wife to take a picture or two of my best grip and post them. |
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Originally Posted By gakracker:
I am thinking that the strong side quad will not work for all hands. Even when carefully placing the shells into my strong hand with my weak hand, I just barely get a one finger contact on the outer two shells and this allows them to splay apart. With some work I think I might be able to make four from the weak hand work from the bottom though. I will see if I can get the wife to take a picture or two of my best grip and post them. Pics would help diagnose the issue. I do know so e guys that are quad loading strong hand that I wouldn't consider to have big hands though. With that said simply dropping dueces target than quads doesn't give up that much time either and it more consistent. |
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My hands aren't that big and I'm quad loading around 3 sec loads with my M2 and a little under 3.5 sec loads with my SuperVinci.
Just a tip on what's helped a nobody like me......forget how well they are or aren't sitting in your hand and stuff them into the gun with gross movement. If you notice the crimp on the top shell of the second set of shells is getting caught on the rim of the first shell in the first set, try offsetting the shells in your caddy where the first set of shells that would go into the gun are 1/8" to 1/4" lower in the caddy. If that still doesn't work, are you trying to grip the shells too hard with the tips of your fingers? Strong hand quad loading is primarily gross motor movements. After some advice from Bryan and Tyler Payne, I have shells going into my tube hard enough they have to audibly smack back into the shell stop. |
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Originally Posted By EaZeNuTZ33:
My hands aren't that big and I'm quad loading around 3 sec loads with my M2 and a little under 3.5 sec loads with my SuperVinci. Just a tip on what's helped a nobody like me......forget how well they are or aren't sitting in your hand and stuff them into the gun with gross movement. If you notice the crimp on the top shell of the second set of shells is getting caught on the rim of the first shell in the first set, try offsetting the shells in your caddy where the first set of shells that would go into the gun are 1/8" to 1/4" lower in the caddy. If that still doesn't work, are you trying to grip the shells too hard with the tips of your fingers? Strong hand quad loading is primarily gross motor movements. After some advice from Bryan and Tyler Payne, I have shells going into my tube hard enough they have to audibly smack back into the shell stop. Great advice! I know when I first started I was trying to finesse the shells into the gun like you have to do when loading with the traditional weak hand method. Quads and deuces require brute force and speed. Grip it and rip it! |
| Exactly! The only finesse part of the load is using your bicep muscle to stop your strong hand at the right distance...a store not so long that you're off the handguard, but not so short that the second shell doesn't pass the shell catch. I've short stroked the loads when first trying to get my reloads under 3 seconds. Practice and "feel" are the only things you can do for this. I try to use dummy shells, live Win AAs, buckshot shells, and slug shells to make sure I know how each feels......BUT, I always bottom eject any live shell and only allow dummy shells thru the chamber when practicing indoors. |
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Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
Since there is only 4-5 winners at each match we would all be quitting if it wasn't fun when you don't win. It's a great challenge and I've not seen many armed professionals that can work all 3 guns as well as an average 3 gun competitor. This is great training too! Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
hahahahaha That is insane. Thinking about starting some 3gun. Holy cow, this is still fun if you are not the fastest, right? TXL Since there is only 4-5 winners at each match we would all be quitting if it wasn't fun when you don't win. It's a great challenge and I've not seen many armed professionals that can work all 3 guns as well as an average 3 gun competitor. This is great training too! I was never really any good at 3 gun and I have not done it in many years. We used to all have a good chuckle at the cops that showed up. Not because they were terrible, but because of their attitudes. In 2002 the Cape Coral Florida Swat team showed up at one of our week night shoots. Not one member could clear the plate rack with their pistols at 15 yards, with the amount of ammo they were carrying on their belts. They left mad with all kinds of excuses and accusations. One very loud mouthed member of the Collier County Fl Sherrif Department's narcotic entry team failed to engage a single pepper popper at 10 yards with his duty 870 entry shotgun. He fired 5 shots right over the top of each pepper popper. Good times I miss those days. |
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Eaze and I tried to get two social friends who were former Marines into the sport.
We were first season newbs. There was lots of "oh, we trained in this stuff, sounds fun" I understand loading is an issue to be trained on...but wow. timed out, out of ammo, unsafe handling, misses, lots of cussing. |
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Originally Posted By nanachkh:
Just curious- can you do load two effectively with the quad load taccom caddies? I can. I do it pretty often when I have a miss and know I need at least one extra shell I didn't plan for in the beginning, then toss a pair in while moving. |
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Jesse, I hate you. Weak hand quads...really. give the rest of us a chance to catch up to strong hand first.
Nice job, I've thought about trying it but I only have the 2 loaders currently and don't see needing 24 on my belt for local and the couple majors I have planned this year. Don't know what Indian Multigun normally has though. |
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Originally Posted By millsusaf:
We don't usually have more than 15-18 per stage. There are always exceptions though. Originally Posted By millsusaf:
Originally Posted By Nick-Mo:
Don't know what Indian Multigun normally has though. We don't usually have more than 15-18 per stage. There are always exceptions though. Big matches like Rocky Mountain, Iron Man or the practical/tactical shotgun matches will have a lot of shotgun. Upwards of 40-50. |
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Here is a better tutorial of how I load quads strong hand. If you simply can't toss quads dropping dueces is almost as fast and almost always more consistent. Either way they are both almost twice as fast as the old school weak hand or string hand grab four load one at a time method.
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636:
I'm finally accepting the reality that I must replace my caddies with these quad loads. I wonder how easily they interface with the ELS system I just invested in. I've seen them mounted on there without issue. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636:
I'm finally accepting the reality that I must replace my caddies with these quad loads. I wonder how easily they interface with the ELS system I just invested in. Don't replace, supplement. I still run a weak hand caddy every stage. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636:
Jesse I'm curious....what is the benefit of maintaining use of caddies if the quad loads are so effective? Slugs, buck, oh shit!, inside a car or something. It's not easy to grab just one round from the duece or quad Caddy's. I don't spend any time practicing weak hand anymore but I still use it occasionally for a one or two round load. |
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Originally Posted By EaZeNuTZ33:
I've seen them mounted on there without issue. Originally Posted By EaZeNuTZ33:
Originally Posted By Minuteman1636:
I'm finally accepting the reality that I must replace my caddies with these quad loads. I wonder how easily they interface with the ELS system I just invested in. I've seen them mounted on there without issue. Yea I use them with my ELS plates and they work great. Just had to buy some nuts/bolts from the hardware store to mount them. |
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Originally Posted By EaZeNuTZ33:
They weren't before. They involved caddies that aren't used by that particular shooter anymore. Originally Posted By EaZeNuTZ33:
Originally Posted By OutlawZ06:
Whats the point of this thread?, all the videos are private They weren't before. They involved caddies that aren't used by that particular shooter anymore. They involved a company I no longer wish to be associated with or support in any way. Quad loading still remains the fastest way to load a shotgun. |
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Originally Posted By ryutheblade:
Oh man, now I'm torn between not wanting to stir up drama and being curious about the situation. Its pretty simple. I used brand X and then Brand Y came out and it was better. I started using Brand Y and Brand X got pissed. If you compare the options out there the Invictus Practical Caddys' are the most versatile well made caddy on the market currently. |
