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8/11/2019 9:10:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Not good to read about the issues that this new device is having & the teething issues. Sounds like they've not got it tweaked just yet...

And the price?
Well, my default "buy it" price for any used A5 I see is well below what this gizmo is being sold at - and for my money I get a John Moses Browning design that changed the world of shotguns & comes with the autoloader as part of the mechanism

YMMV
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8/12/2019 5:52:21 PM EDT
[#2]
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Originally Posted By Saddler:
Well, my default "buy it" price for any used A5 I see is well below what this gizmo is being sold at...
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Is this theoretical?  I don't believe I've seen any A5's priced that low since... well, I've never seen any that low in my lifetime.
8/12/2019 6:01:29 PM EDT
[#3]
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Originally Posted By cas:

Is this theoretical?  I don't believe I've seen any A5's priced that low since... well, I've never seen any that low in my lifetime.
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NO - not theoretical - I have a few A5's that I got for well under the price that the new lifter is selling for - several for £100-£125, a few slightly higher - some a touch lower.

Maybe as the A5 was first made by FN in Belgium it took hold here more, don't know.
I best not let you know what price I've paid for some new unused FN made barrels!

Last "A5" I got was a Daiwa copy, for £60 - but it needs some tlc

Still, not all roses. Never seen a Buck Special barrel, nor an A5 Police model....

1st World Problems!
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8/12/2019 8:14:33 PM EDT
[#4]
I should see several guns with the JK Auto Lifter at the Rockcastle Pro Am 3 Gun this weekend. Hopefully we'll get some good stateside feedback on early reliable at that match.
Steve Rose

"Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks"
Thomas Jefferson - 1785
9/7/2019 12:41:09 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm sorry I bought this device. It seems to be a hit or miss situation with whether it will work reliably. Mine doesn't. In fact, it's almost impossible to quad load it. The lifter doesn't depress far enough with the bolt locked open to quad load. It also, sometimes won't release a shell and load the chamber so you pull the trigger on an empty chamber.

I sent them an email about this a couple of weeks ago and so far nothing back. Buy at your own risk.
9/22/2019 1:47:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TomMcC:
I'm sorry I bought this device. It seems to be a hit or miss situation with whether it will work reliably. Mine doesn't. In fact, it's almost impossible to quad load it. The lifter doesn't depress far enough with the bolt locked open to quad load. It also, sometimes won't release a shell and load the chamber so you pull the trigger on an empty chamber.

I sent them an email about this a couple of weeks ago and so far nothing back. Buy at your own risk.
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As am I.  I'm getting 4 different types of malfunction, averaging one every other magazine full. My emails have gone unanswered as well.









Lots of tweaking, tinkering and all new springs... no change.
9/22/2019 8:07:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Hey Cas

Does your lifter actually depress enough to quad load? Mine comes up about 1/8" short. You really have to push it down with some force to even single load it. With quads you just don't put that kind of force into the load.
9/22/2019 10:47:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cas][Edited] [#8]
Yes, loads doubles just fine and does it's autoload thing most of the time. When it doesn't, it's because the second shell didn't go in far enough and butted up to the carrier before it could get out of the way. (looking like the third photo. Only that third photo is a malfunction while firing, not loading.)
9/22/2019 11:04:08 PM EDT
[#9]
Thanks, it's weird, it's a fairly simple device but it's all over the place in the types and numbers of different malfunctions it causes.
10/1/2019 9:23:26 PM EDT
[#10]
Well that's a buzz kill. Hoping this wonder device was debugged before release. Seems they spent more money on the marketing video than R&D testing...
10/3/2019 7:40:06 PM EDT
[#11]
I assume the little spring is not up to the task at hand.

I was hoping I'd hear back from the manufacturer, but it hasn't happened. I'll probably end up selling it at a he loss to someone willing to tinker, or I'll just get pissed one day, flatten it with a hammer and throw it away.
11/12/2019 10:11:18 PM EDT
[#12]
Well, I finally installed mine in a TTI Benelli M2.  I watched the video step by step just to make sure it was done right.

Testing it with dummy rounds it did just fine.  No problems.  Pretty neat.

I tried to induce a malfunction, but the only one I could get is if I didn’t seat the round past the carrier latch when loading.  That would produce a malfunction with or without the lifter though.

I’ll test it at the range in the morning and report back.
11/13/2019 7:36:20 PM EDT
[#13]
Tried it at the range.

First round about feeds as it is supposed to.

Every now and then a subsequent round would get held up on top of the lifter when the bolt is supposed to close.  The bolt sticks to the rear.  A little bump fixes it and the round feeds.  I’ll keep trying to see if it smooths out.
11/15/2019 7:05:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RLR350:
Tried it at the range.

First round about feeds as it is supposed to.

Every now and then a subsequent round would get held up on top of the lifter when the bolt is supposed to close.  The bolt sticks to the rear.  A little bump fixes it and the round feeds.  I'll keep trying to see if it smooths out.
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Hey R

I sold mine to a shooter we both know. He's been playing around with it and it seems to be working in his M2. It was a dumpster fire in my M1. I'm thinking that there is in fact a difference between the M1 and M2 fire control group that Kenney didn't take into account.

You shooting L tomorrow? If so, I'll see you there.
11/15/2019 11:41:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TomMcC:
Hey R

I sold mine to a shooter we both know. He's been playing around with it and it seems to be working in his M2. It was a dumpster fire in my M1. I'm thinking that there is in fact a difference between the M1 and M2 fire control group that Kenney didn't take into account.

You shooting L tomorrow? If so, I'll see you there.
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Yeah, I tested it with him.  It worked in his, so I figured I try mine.

See you tomorrow.
11/21/2019 1:17:39 AM EDT
[#16]
I used the shotgun in the match and ran it dry twice.  The lifter worked, no problems.  I didn’t have any malfunctions with the subsequent rounds feeding.

So far, so good.  I’ll keep it in the gun unless it starts to hiccup.
11/23/2019 12:10:16 AM EDT
[#17]
I've learned that when loading it's necessary to run your thumb past the loading port in order to "slingshot" the round onto the lifter and not get it hung up due to the weaker dog ear spring.
11/26/2019 6:16:48 PM EDT
[#18]
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Originally Posted By RLR350:
I used the shotgun in the match and ran it dry twice.  The lifter worked, no problems.  I didn't have any malfunctions with the subsequent rounds feeding.

So far, so good.  I'll keep it in the gun unless it starts to hiccup.
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When C tried it in  the match Sat. it was a total disaster...I gave him his money back and this morning wrote a scathing email to Kenney and his toadies. Mine doesn't even work in a M2. What a piece of crap they sent me.
11/30/2019 3:36:10 PM EDT
[#19]
Kenney actually replied. They want another video of the malfuctioning. I sent them a video months ago, I guess they lost or deleted it.
6/6/2020 9:39:44 PM EDT
[#20]
@TomMcC any updates?

It's $232 now... Too much money if they aren't working right.
6/6/2020 9:47:35 PM EDT
[#21]
I have one and haven't even installed it yet. Haven't shot a match in months.
""Surely something must be terribly wrong with a man who seems to be far more concerned with a Jew building a house in Israel than with a Muslim building a nuclear bomb in Iran."

6/11/2020 3:49:19 PM EDT
[#22]
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Originally Posted By iiibdsiil:
@TomMcC any updates?

It's $232 now... Too much money if they aren't working right.
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When I sold mine, I think I got $65 for it (with full discloser).

Purchase price, match fee from a totally tanked match, new springs, plus I probably spent $140 on ammo alone trying to make it work. Yeah it cost me.

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