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11/3/2017 10:32:46 AM EDT
[#1]
wish they werent so ugly
11/3/2017 10:35:39 AM EDT
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Well shit if they are taking orders now for the $20 price I better call when they open today.
11/3/2017 10:47:38 AM EDT
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I remove safety selectors all the time in aluminum AR's by pushing in from the right side and rotating the selector past the fire position and then pushing them out the left side.

Don't know why it wouldn't work on the plastic lowers.
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Because the plastic between the detent hole and the inside wall of the receiver is weaker than a comparable aluminum receiver.
11/3/2017 10:54:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Tempting
11/3/2017 2:37:26 PM EDT
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Eh so they're iffy, every rifle ain't a warstick, they look cool, they're light and you can build them cheap. Winner!
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That is the best looking one I have seen.   Almost non-magnetic. 
11/3/2017 4:22:38 PM EDT
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Just ordered 2.
$52 including shipping
Local shop does transfers for $25 per transaction
11/3/2017 4:40:15 PM EDT
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That is the best looking one I have seen.   Almost non-magnetic. 
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Eh so they're iffy, every rifle ain't a warstick, they look cool, they're light and you can build them cheap. Winner!
That is the best looking one I have seen.   Almost non-magnetic. 
If you're seriously motivated you could go here:

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And here

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Luckily I'm not motivated at all 
11/3/2017 4:57:19 PM EDT
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Man I'm having a hard time not grabbing a few.

Got enough spare lower parts to assemble a couple.

Add a PSA upper with MBUS for $299 and have a complete AR for around $350.
11/3/2017 5:16:47 PM EDT
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I am only buying 5.

I am only buying 5.

I am only buying 5.

I am only buying 5.
11/3/2017 6:32:01 PM EDT
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Man I'm having a hard time not grabbing a few.

Got enough spare lower parts to assemble a couple.

Add a PSA upper with MBUS for $299 and have a complete AR for around $350.
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Here’s a $200 complete upper.
Just needs a rear sight

https://www.classicfirearms.com/bearcreekarsenalupperar15assbly
11/3/2017 6:44:15 PM EDT
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Here’s a $200 complete upper.
Just needs a rear sight

https://www.classicfirearms.com/bearcreekarsenalupperar15assbly
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Is Bear Creek any good?
11/3/2017 7:14:20 PM EDT
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Not 100% sure honestly.
Guess I’ll find out after Xmas.
Building a lightweight AR for the wife/kids
11/3/2017 7:19:36 PM EDT
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Apparently good enough to crash Classic's website, or maybe it's just my phone.
11/3/2017 7:30:14 PM EDT
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I have hear the bear creek stuff is ok for cheap bbls and uppers.  Performing fine for most part and sometimes more accurate than one would expect at the price range.

Don't have any myself. A lot of grendelski guys were getting them if I recall
11/3/2017 9:47:54 PM EDT
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Eh so they're iffy, every rifle ain't a warstick, they look cool, they're light and you can build them cheap. Winner!
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That pic makes me want to order 5 lowers and 5 MOE SL HGs.
11/3/2017 9:59:27 PM EDT
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Eh so they're iffy, every rifle ain't a warstick, they look cool, they're light and you can build them cheap. Winner!
That pic makes me want to order 5 lowers and 5 MOE SL HGs.
Just to be clear that stock has been cut down and the pistol grip has been stippled. 
11/3/2017 10:05:47 PM EDT
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Eh so they're iffy, every rifle ain't a warstick, they look cool, they're light and you can build them cheap. Winner!
That pic makes me want to order 5 lowers and 5 MOE SL HGs.
Just to be clear that stock has been cut down and the pistol grip has been stippled. 
Looks really good. I'd have to probably do the same. How much was cut from the stock, and is that a 16 or 14.5" ?

Problem is I would have to act fast. Wallet doesn't take well to that acting fast business.

Ready to do it anyway. Just like all those other times.
11/3/2017 10:11:53 PM EDT
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Looks really good. I'd have to probably do the same. How much was cut from the stock, and is that a 16 or 14.5" ?

Problem is I would have to act fast. Wallet doesn't take well to that acting fast business.

Ready to do it anyway. Just like all those other times.
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Eh so they're iffy, every rifle ain't a warstick, they look cool, they're light and you can build them cheap. Winner!
That pic makes me want to order 5 lowers and 5 MOE SL HGs.
Just to be clear that stock has been cut down and the pistol grip has been stippled. 
Looks really good. I'd have to probably do the same. How much was cut from the stock, and is that a 16 or 14.5" ?

Problem is I would have to act fast. Wallet doesn't take well to that acting fast business.

Ready to do it anyway. Just like all those other times.
I don't know any of the details but here is what the stocks being sold look like. 


At least a couple of inches where cut off for the first pic and I'm pretty sure those are rifle length mid-length hand guards and a 20" barrel
11/3/2017 10:14:11 PM EDT
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I have heard nothing but good things about them and many who HATE plastic lowers say these are the only polymer lowers they would buy.
As I have all the lowers I need, I will pass.
11/3/2017 10:27:20 PM EDT
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I don't know any of the details but here is what the stocks being sold look like. 

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server900/lbut/products/116/images/391/20131120_123627__95545.1384975405.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
At least a couple of inches where cut off for the first pic and I'm pretty sure those are rifle length mid-length hand guards and a 20" barrel
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Eh so they're iffy, every rifle ain't a warstick, they look cool, they're light and you can build them cheap. Winner!
That pic makes me want to order 5 lowers and 5 MOE SL HGs.
Just to be clear that stock has been cut down and the pistol grip has been stippled. 
Looks really good. I'd have to probably do the same. How much was cut from the stock, and is that a 16 or 14.5" ?

Problem is I would have to act fast. Wallet doesn't take well to that acting fast business.

Ready to do it anyway. Just like all those other times.
I don't know any of the details but here is what the stocks being sold look like. 

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server900/lbut/products/116/images/391/20131120_123627__95545.1384975405.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
At least a couple of inches where cut off for the first pic and I'm pretty sure those are rifle length mid-length hand guards and a 20" barrel
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Details on lower mods  here - http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2013/03/25/review-echo-nine-three-cav-15-mkii-modification-package/

Barrels a mid length 16. Didn't mean to confuse anyone on what being sold by Trinity, I'm not affiliated. Posted to show coolness, like most mods can be done by anyone. Liked the E93 look and it improves the ergos a bit. 

They make cool, light  little rifles. Grab a PSA LW upper, change out the guard cap to round, Magpul SL mid,  youve got a pretty decent setup on the cheap. 
11/3/2017 11:05:32 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0062-352467.JPG

Details on lower mods  here - http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2013/03/25/review-echo-nine-three-cav-15-mkii-modification-package/

Barrels a mid length 16. Didn't mean to confuse anyone on what being sold by Trinity, I'm not affiliated. Posted to show coolness, like most mods can be done by anyone. Liked the E93 look and it improves the ergos a bit. 

They make cool, light  little rifles. Grab a PSA LW upper, change out the guard cap to round, Magpul SL mid,  youve got a pretty decent setup on the cheap. 
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Thanks for the specs. 
11/3/2017 11:14:00 PM EDT
[#22]
Yeah, pass. I’d sooner spend $20 on dope.
11/3/2017 11:18:03 PM EDT
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Quoted:  Looks really good. I'd have to probably do the same. How much was cut from the stock, and is that a 16 or 14.5" ?

Problem is I would have to act fast. Wallet doesn't take well to that acting fast business.

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Doooo eeeeet.

I'm just cheerleading @ this point.  
11/3/2017 11:33:52 PM EDT
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Yeah, pass. I’d sooner spend $20 on dope.
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11/3/2017 11:42:21 PM EDT
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Doooo eeeeet.

I'm just cheerleading @ this point.  
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Problem is I would have to act fast. Wallet doesn't take well to that acting fast business.

Ready to do it anyway. Just like all those other times.
Doooo eeeeet.

I'm just cheerleading @ this point.  
I'm going to sleep on it overnight.


























Then call them in the morning. I'm so weak.
11/3/2017 11:45:08 PM EDT
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I should grab cash and take the Sinister out there tomorrow.
11/3/2017 11:47:35 PM EDT
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Well, I have some "Good News/Bad News" for you...

You seem to be in Texas where dope is currently* illegal and, presumably, expensive.  I don't think you'd get your dollars-worth on a $20 sack here.

But, for $20 you could have a liquid commodity that will be salable next time the "D" party gets the big chair.

* Apparently we're good with CBDs in Texas which is fucking hilarious.  That's just the politicians going "OK, medical MJ does seem to have benefits, but we're by god going to make sure you don't enjoy it!"
11/4/2017 4:29:39 PM EDT
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11/4/2017 5:49:12 PM EDT
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Nice!!!
11/4/2017 6:26:48 PM EDT
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Are they consecutive serial numbers?
11/4/2017 7:47:49 PM EDT
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3 of them were consecutive.  I've now got 2x 3 consecutive sets and I think 2x consecutive pairs, though I may have given at least part of the pairs away.

Talked to the owner while I was there, and he says he hopes to ship all the orders mid-week, at the latest the Monday following Veteran's Day.  If you're going to pick up in the store, call ahead and mention you can't make it on the 11th.
11/4/2017 8:38:03 PM EDT
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Making a pistol...

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Thanks to @FW_wife and her chop saw...
11/4/2017 9:37:14 PM EDT
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A few cutoff wheels later...

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11/4/2017 9:47:28 PM EDT
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Voila!  An AR57 pistol...

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11/4/2017 9:49:55 PM EDT
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Suweeeeet!
11/4/2017 10:30:25 PM EDT
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I stopped in and bought 5 of them today.  Met backbencher there.  They are super nice folks over there at Trinity.  To be clear - I wasn't, the lowers will be available for pickup on the 11th.
11/4/2017 10:54:02 PM EDT
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I just explained to them I was going to be at the world's largest gunshow on the 11th, so it helps to have a good excuse.  
11/4/2017 11:40:00 PM EDT
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I stopped in and bought 5 of them today.  Met backbencher there.  They are super nice folks over there at Trinity.  To be clear - I wasn't, the lowers will be available for pickup on the 11th.
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Is that when they’ll also be shipping out the orders placed over the phone?
11/5/2017 12:49:41 AM EDT
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Talked to the owner while I was there, and he says he hopes to ship all the orders mid-week, at the latest the Monday following Veteran's Day.
11/5/2017 9:37:38 AM EDT
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Nevermind, question answered
11/5/2017 9:49:14 AM EDT
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Talked to the owner while I was there, and he says he hopes to ship all the orders mid-week, at the latest the Monday following Veteran's Day.
Ah, thanks.  I must have over looked/forgotten that part.
11/5/2017 9:52:10 AM EDT
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I could be wrong, but I thought that since that Lower had a stock it would be transferred as a rifle, thereby establishing legal OAL and BBL restrictions?  Unless it was transferred as an Other anyway.

Which brings up the question of why GWACS doesn't just make some pistol versions of those lowers anyway?
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Transfers as other, and had never been assembled as a rifle or shotgun.

My impression of GWACS is they are going to use their molds until they wear out, and never make another one.  Without a pistol specific mold, they'd have to cut em as I did, which is not the prettiest route to take.
11/5/2017 9:52:25 AM EDT
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I could be wrong, but I thought that since that Lower had a stock it would be transferred as a rifle, thereby establishing legal OAL and BBL restrictions?  Unless it was transferred as an Other anyway.

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The definition of a rifle is a firearm with both a barrel and a stock.

As the lower has never had an upper its still just a firearm receiver. It's the same with those complete aluminum lowers with stocks and parts kits. Lots of FFL may transfer as rifles, but that's not the legal way of doing it.
11/5/2017 9:57:05 AM EDT
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My impression of GWACS is they are going to use their molds until they wear out, and never make another one.  Without a pistol specific mold, they'd have to cut em as I did, which is not the prettiest route to take.
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That makes sense.  But I wouldn't expect these lowers to "wear" the molds a lot, but I also have no idea.  

Makes me wonder how many of these they will be making / are already out there.
11/5/2017 11:21:40 AM EDT
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As far as I can tell, Cav Arms was doing good business until the Feds shut em down.

GWACS has been around for a few years now, presumably using the original molds.  I don't think plastic molds wear much, but are insanely expensive to make, hence no improvement on the pistol grip.

Sabre Defense is one of the 2 variances Cav Arms made; I can't remember the other one.  There are still some early Cav Arms Mk 1 lowers knocking around ARFCOM if you ask.
11/5/2017 11:39:39 AM EDT
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As far as I can tell, Cav Arms was doing good business until the Feds shut em down.

GWACS has been around for a few years now, presumably using the original molds.  I don't think plastic molds wear much, but are insanely expensive to make, hence no improvement on the pistol grip.

Sabre Defense is one of the 2 variances Cav Arms made; I can't remember the other one.  There are still some early Cav Arms Mk 1 lowers knocking around ARFCOM if you ask.
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Makes me wonder how many of these they will be making / are already out there.
As far as I can tell, Cav Arms was doing good business until the Feds shut em down.

GWACS has been around for a few years now, presumably using the original molds.  I don't think plastic molds wear much, but are insanely expensive to make, hence no improvement on the pistol grip.

Sabre Defense is one of the 2 variances Cav Arms made; I can't remember the other one.  There are still some early Cav Arms Mk 1 lowers knocking around ARFCOM if you ask.
Eagle was the other - M15P (for polymers my guess). Pistol is kind cool. Think I'm going to end up something like this though 

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11/5/2017 11:41:10 AM EDT
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How much does a lower weigh
11/5/2017 11:57:59 AM EDT
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You're gonna make me get outta bed, ain't cha?    In a bit.  I'll weigh the Mk 1, & the Mk 2, & the pistol.  The Mk 1 has the original parts kit in, though.  I'll take the rifle buffer out of it, though.
11/5/2017 12:46:58 PM EDT
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What are the differences from the regular Cav Arms/GWACS lowers?
11/5/2017 12:51:54 PM EDT
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Sabre Defense is one of the 2 variances Cav Arms made; I can't remember the other one.  There are still some early Cav Arms Mk 1 lowers knocking around ARFCOM if you ask.
What are the differences from the regular Cav Arms/GWACS lowers?
AFAIK Sabre and Eagle were exactly the same as Cavarms MKII, just marked differently. GWACs differs from MKII in the different thinner butt plate.

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