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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:18:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Neither '9' nor .45, it's 'just right'. It's 87 all the way. People's Party of .40 S&Wcomrade? |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:19:01 AM EDT
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I bought one to have something to shoot during the last Panic and derned if the caliber hasn't grown on me. I like .40 S&W.  I am a 9mm fan to the hilt with that being said .40 was the only ammo I could find during the last panic. Everyone here should have a .40 cal in the stable with a stash of ammo. The ammo is always out there and mags on the used market are cheaper especially with glocks. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:21:45 AM EDT
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By Goldilocks, do you mean inconsiderate, squatting bitch? You forgot stupid (because she didn't notice that fucking bears lived in the house she trespassed in and then she decided to take a nap). Of course, the "baby bear" of calibres doesn't sound quite as cool. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:22:33 AM EDT
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You don't think the AWB gave a boost to those calibers? Everyone was trying to maximize the biggest bullet they could get into a 10 round capacity gun. If not for the AWB the 9mm would have rolled all over every other caliber like it's doing now post AWB. Nobody gives a shit about .40 or .45 anymore. They are the manual transmission of calibers. Nobody uses it besides enthusiasts. LOL WUT? |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:30:29 AM EDT
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A 9mm MIGHT expand and make a bigger hole. The .40 sure won't shrink to make a smaller hole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What will a .40 do that a 9 won't do just as well? A 9mm MIGHT expand and make a bigger hole. The .40 sure won't shrink to make a smaller hole. Also, superior penetration of intermediate barriers. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:33:54 AM EDT
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Hmmmmmmm? Sounds like theres a story waiting to be told. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People say that shot placement is king. Other people say larger is better. Many people say capacity is best. To each their own. I'm fairly confident all of them will fuck you up in some capacity. I've got 4 scars to remind me of the potential "stopping power" of what I considered pussy rounds. Hmmmmmmm? Sounds like theres a story waiting to be told. I'm glad the other guy had bad shot placement! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:36:11 AM EDT
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I've got a 40SW barrel for my Glock 20. Even in a large frame gun designed from the ground up to handle 10mm, it still has oddly significant recoil - and I LIKE shooting 10mm. I'm looking forward to playing with .357SIG though. That seems like a a very good do-it-all cartridge...on paper. Don't. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:37:11 AM EDT
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I'm at a turning point. Sell off the rest of my .40 or buy a G23... G35. When the .40 runs out convert the pistol to 9mm. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:43:57 AM EDT
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All things considered .40 still offers higher capacities than .45 and you could again argue that the marginal ballistic advantage .45 has over .40 is marginalized by having lower capacity. Personally I believe in shot placement and speed so I prefer 9mm.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:48:39 AM EDT
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Here is a dirty little secret: Unless you are shooting at someone in body armor (primarily LEO's) the mass of the bullet matters most. Sure, velocity matters, you don't want slingshot velocity. But a big ol .45 slug will put your target on his ass better than anything lighter. PERIOD. I prefer to knock the fucker DOWN. YMMV. AHAHAHAH |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:01:03 AM EDT
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Don't. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a 40SW barrel for my Glock 20. Even in a large frame gun designed from the ground up to handle 10mm, it still has oddly significant recoil - and I LIKE shooting 10mm. I'm looking forward to playing with .357SIG though. That seems like a a very good do-it-all cartridge...on paper. Don't. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Informative post is informative. You wanna expand on those four letters? |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:13:25 AM EDT
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9 is fine. I love my G19, but I do kinda want to add a G23 to the stable. I converted my 1993 G23 over to 9mm 20 years late, and couldn't be happier. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:00:22 AM EDT
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I won't buy any more, but I won't sell the two that I have. I've been able to pick up high quality police "trade-in" ammo at good prices lately.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:04:17 AM EDT
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Here is a dirty little secret: Unless you are shooting at someone in body armor (primarily LEO's) the mass of the bullet matters most. Sure, velocity matters, you don't want slingshot velocity. But a big ol .45 slug will put your target on his ass better than anything lighter. PERIOD. I prefer to knock the fucker DOWN. YMMV. Sounds like you are a good candidate to convert your .45 to a .460 Rowland. :) |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:15:21 AM EDT
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The lazy bitch that steals your bed and your porridge and has the unmitigated temerity to complain about the quality of said items the whole time she's doing it?
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:16:20 AM EDT
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Gramps killed Japs with a .45....
Several years later, the neighbor Kid got fucked and sent to Korea...and he Killed Communists with a .45. My old Man was a douche, but got stuck in a hard place, and killed Communists with a .45. Ten years later...some good folks I know got stuck in Hue, and had to kill Communists with a ,45. In 87' I was issued a 1911, a M16A2/M203.. and an M14. The plan was to kill Communists at the next opportunity, with a .45 The .40 is an apology to reality. Literally, a sucked dick, to appease the runts and Cunts. Nancyfags filed lawsuits, because the .40 wasn't available. The chum guzzling FBI, got estrogen soaked, and rather then adopting a feather Boa, adopted the .40 S&W, even if the effeminate dweebs were proven to be more effective with the nancy 9mm. Politics fucks everyone. Cockgobbling .40 was the rule...for a short period of utter stupidity. Chickenshit, and faggotry is .40 in dia. There is no shame in the 9, as it has a good argument with the .45. .40 is where cowards and bone smuggling, Gerbil abusing, nellie queens dwell. Just sayin... 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:16:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:23:04 AM EDT
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G22 owner since the summer of '91. Got a Walther P99 in .40 as well and I've reloaded it since '95. I'm an early adopter/fanboy. Chris I've been picking up .40S&W brass since around '95. I finally got a conversion barrel for my G20. Looks like I have around 2k pieces of .40 that only need some powder and a bullet. I've dialed in a dandy load I really like so I need to buy some Icy Hot for my shoulder and get to it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:40:54 AM EDT
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Emotional investment in any caliber is silly. And Goldilocks was the home invading, petty thieving meth-head FSA cunt of the fairy tale kingdom. Fuck that bitch.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:47:07 AM EDT
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My .40 1911 arrives today!
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:47:32 AM EDT
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Out of the major three semi rounds, it is the dumbest by far. I still own a couple of 40s because you never know what ammunition will be readily available at any given time. The market is flooded with 40 cal pistols, and people do t seem to be buying unless they are deeply discounted. Many LE agencies moving away from it. I don't see the cartridge dying, just too many out there, but I see it falling into a distant third in the three main calibers.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:50:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:55:59 AM EDT
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"Just right" is 10MM Auto. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:58:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always thought it was more of a "bi" cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Compromises tend to be shit. .45 is .45 for a REASON. It knocks dicks in the dirt. It stops bad guys DEAD. 9mm is a pussy caliber, for European pussies. .40 is the dyke of cartridges.  I always thought it was more of a "bi" cartridge. Not quite this one, not quite that one. Tranny cartridge. I have a G23 with a conversion barrel to 9mm. I haven't put the .40 barrel back in since I did it. I shoot the .45 when I feel like putting it back into CCW rotation. But for daily wear I choose 9mm. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 11:31:25 AM EDT
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Some of us are required to carry a .40. I like it enough that I have bought every gun that has rode my hip in a patrol car (and they have all been .40) for the past almost 20 years (sentimental I guess). My dept. just "retired" our P229 40's and replaced them with P229 40's
 . I was hoping for something different (midlife crisis maybe?). And yes, we are required by contract to carry our issued handguns if we are carrying off duty (personal gun permit be damned, don't like it then quit is what they say). We can carry our authorized on duty back up as off duty backup, but that 40 has to be there like an evil mother in law watching you bang her daughter.
I just want something different. I want some strange. I want to cheat on my .40 with a slim, hot 9mm or big curvy, thick .45. Does that make me weird? |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 11:40:54 AM EDT
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Meh, I have had my G23 for 20 years now and it has served me well after 1000's of rounds through it. When I bought it I had read all the mags and waited to see how it performed at the time and saw a number of police agencies converting over , so I thought why not try it.
With all that said I carry my handguns in 9mm more often these days with a FNX45 for home defense. The G23 will ride with me on trips and such as I dont care if something were to happen to it as it would be a minor loss overall. And having worked at a LGS during the many panics over the last 10 years or so the .40 was about the last thing to sell off the shelf. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 11:41:54 AM EDT
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I like 9mm *and* .45. The 9mm can blast away with raw firepower while .45 can whack something once and make sure it stays down. They compliment each other like husband and wife.
The .40 is like the ugly chick who keeps shoving herself into the lives of her girlfriend and her husband because she has no life of her own. Or the balding middle aged loser who imagines himself a swinger and who is always hitting on his best friend's wife. Same difference. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 11:44:28 AM EDT
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40 Dumbest caliber evar. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 11:48:36 AM EDT
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I bought a pair of G22 gen 3's from Mark at Summit. They were so cheap they were almost free.  Yep and when ammo dries up 40 seems to always be there Got a dirt cheap one years ago its my throw down the driveway gun |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:01:59 PM EDT
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Neither '9' nor .45, it's 'just right'. It's 87 all the way. People's Party of .40 S&Wcomrade?Indeed. It would a privilege to be a member, if asked. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:09:55 PM EDT
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I love my .40s
In '08 when the first Obama Scare happened, .40 was the last round to disappear and the first round to re-appear. In '012 when we had the Connecticut shitstorm, .40 was the last round to disappear and the first round to Re-appear.... keep on keepin on you .45/9mm dudes. Doesn't bother me ONE BIT.  |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:11:49 PM EDT
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It is a perfectly acceptable and useful caliber...just like most of them. The only people who have a problem with it are people too emotionally invested in their caliber choice or who soak up internet gun and caliber memes like first time shooters. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:23:29 PM EDT
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I just love all of these Internet Cowboys that shoot at nothing but cardboard targets. So sorry to hear that the .40 hurts your little wrists and you have to have a lesser cartridge. Talk yourselves into whatever works for you but understand the .40 is a cartridge that many of us have put our life's on the line with and it even Cooper talks about having the largest caliber you can handle. It must something starting in .4 to start with. 9mm's are just fine but so is the .40. Pick what works for you.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:31:35 PM EDT
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I love my .40s In '08 when the first Obama Scare happened, .40 was the last round to disappear and the first round to re-appear. In '012 when we had the Connecticut shitstorm, .40 was the last round to disappear and the first round to Re-appear.... keep on keepin on you .45/9mm dudes. Doesn't bother me ONE BIT.
.35 Whelen is on the shelves too during panics. That doesn't make it a good choice. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:36:15 PM EDT
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The pussy ass version of the 10mm!!! Go big or go home. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:38:59 PM EDT
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40 Dumbest caliber evar. THIS |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .35 Whelen is on the shelves too during panics. That doesn't make it a good choice. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love my .40s In '08 when the first Obama Scare happened, .40 was the last round to disappear and the first round to re-appear. In '012 when we had the Connecticut shitstorm, .40 was the last round to disappear and the first round to Re-appear.... keep on keepin on you .45/9mm dudes. Doesn't bother me ONE BIT. .35 Whelen is on the shelves too during panics. That doesn't make it a good choice. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:52:57 PM EDT
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It is a perfectly acceptable and useful caliber...just like most of them. The only people who have a problem with it are people too emotionally invested in their caliber choice or who soak up internet gun and caliber memes like first time shooters. Yep. A lot of people feel a need to reinforce their belief that they made the right choice, so they criticize other calibers. Some are just embarrassed that they can't handle the extra recoil of the .40, so they look for other ways to put it down, so they don't feel like such a pussy. Most of them are fairly new shooters, who don't even know much about terminal ballistics, and are just parroting what they read somewhere on the internet, and looking at pictures of penetration depth in ballistic gelatin. The problem with ballistic gelatin is that humans are not made of it. We have bones, and when a bullet hits bone, that extra mass and energy matter a lot. 9mm and .40 are both perfectly acceptable calibers to carry, and people who feel the need to criticize one or the other should not have their opinion taken seriously. I own numerous versions of both. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:07:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:11:38 PM EDT
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I've been picking up .40S&W brass since around '95. I finally got a conversion barrel for my G20. Looks like I have around 2k pieces of .40 that only need some powder and a bullet. I've dialed in a dandy load I really like so I need to buy some Icy Hot for my shoulder and get to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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G22 owner since the summer of '91. Got a Walther P99 in .40 as well and I've reloaded it since '95. I'm an early adopter/fanboy. Chris I've been picking up .40S&W brass since around '95. I finally got a conversion barrel for my G20. Looks like I have around 2k pieces of .40 that only need some powder and a bullet. I've dialed in a dandy load I really like so I need to buy some Icy Hot for my shoulder and get to it. I'm not married to the .40 S&W, but I know it pretty well and I actually shoot my G22 pretty well. The 'ski ramp' on my Walther P99 starts abrading my finger after a box, or two, so I don't shoot that as much, but the .40 is what it is. After 25 years of reading, shooting and reloading, I've seen things progress and I've seen things fall in and out of favor over those years. Don't get me started on .308" match bullets, lol. I'm only 5'8" with girlie hands and I can control the Glock well enough and although I'm not saving the world with my aim, I'm not that bad. A gun writer once wrote--'shoot the gun that you're most confident with, whatever that may be.' The rest should work itself out, unless you really suck at shooting. Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:14:02 PM EDT
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these threads are retarded
arfcom gd is retarded arfcom is full of "me too" sheelpe followers nothing wrong with the 40 cal I've killed a shitload of big midwestern deer with handguns none, not even the 44 magnum, are Thor's hammer, but larger calibers do work better fuck a bunch of 9mm |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:18:08 PM EDT
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Neither '9' nor .45, it's 'just right'. It's 87 all the way. People's Party of .40 S&Wcomrade?I didn't realize there was an official list. Proud to be a member. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:25:03 PM EDT
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40 Dumbest caliber evar. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:30:42 PM EDT
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from a purely gunsmith level the round sucks because it beats the hell out of its 9mm parent frame when compared to 9mm... a 40cal built up from the bottom would be ok... HK USP series was designed around the .40 and they have a cost to prove it
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote Historythis plus the FBI testing and other evidence is why I switched form 45 to 9mm with good modern manufactured ammunition (Gold Dot G2 147 grain) The 9mm is easier to shoot and I get a few more rounds. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:36:13 PM EDT
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I'm gonna get in early, because I have a feeling this thread will break new ground in the debate. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:37:29 PM EDT
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I have been shooting 40's since I got into firearms. My edc is a Kahr K40, all stainless pistol. My other carry gun is a G23.
I also shoot a G35 in IDPA . When I got into reloading my first caliber was 40. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:46:25 PM EDT
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from a purely gunsmith level the round sucks because it beats the hell out of its 9mm parent frame when compared to 9mm... a 40cal built up from the bottom would be ok... Horse Crap. Proper Springs.... Slam the slide, link, etc on any firearm in any caliber and issues will show up. Correctly tuned for the ammunition and it makes no difference. 9,40,45 pick one. You are just making a hole. 40 works just fine. Carry on.... |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:48:15 PM EDT
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it is in that sweet spot of not really having the benefits of 9mm or 45 thats for sure
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