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That’s really clean under the valve cover, like newish engine clean. Maybe I missed you saying how old the engine was, but that’s way cleaner than anything I’ve seen with any substantial mileage.
ETA: what’s the underside of the VC look like? Another thing that could cause the fuel pump to not pump fuel is a hole in the suction line between the pump and the tank, but your test with the fuel line should eliminate that as long as you weren’t sucking air where the hose hooks to the pump. I assume that has a stamped steel valve cover…. Pro tip to reduce the oil leakage, sight down the “flat” surface of the valve cover where it meets up to the head. Where the bolts hold it on gets bent so it doesn’t seal the gasket tightly in the areas between the bolts. Fix that with a hammer and flat surface like the edge of a bench as an anvil. |
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I have no history on the motor, so no idea if its had any work or not...but the valve train does look remarkably clean. The first Jeep I ever bought was a '94 YJ with a 4cyl, and one of the first maintenance items was a leaking valve cover. I wish I could find the pic, but to say it was sludged over would be an understatement. I couldn't believe how bad it was once I pulled the valve cover, and almost made me wish I hadn't touched it in the first place...ended up turning a 30min job into several hours of scraping/vacuuming up chunks of sludge. I still haven't seen one even remotely close to being as bad, even online.
This one has the plastic valve cover. |
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Waiting on the fuel pump now, should be able to pick it up shortly. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out which valve cover gasket I need. Short of ordering online, AutoZone is the only local place that can have a valve cover gasket tomorrow. They have a Fel-Pro that's a cork/laminated material for $54, or I can order a Mahle cork w/ metal carrier, or a Mahle that's cork rubber (the Mahle gaskets are $24 ea). Any real differences between the three? I'm leaning towards the cork/rubber Mahle...
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Went ahead and ordered a $19 valve cover gasket through O'Reillys....should be here tomorrow.
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That thing is super clean. Almost too clean. Like someone put it together and never could get it to run right.
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Quoted: That thing is super clean. Almost too clean. Like someone put it together and never could get it to run right. View Quote It's possible, but it was never mentioned one way or the other when I bought it...I do know (now) the distributor was way off, so there was no way it was running before. |
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Looks like somebody bought a rebuilt long block, installed it and couldn't get it to run very well and gave up on it.
Probably overlooked a dying fuel pump and started dicking with the distributor and parked it. Age and sitting killed the pump diaphram completely. With the valve cover off , turn the engine over to TDC #1 and the rotor in the distributor pointing directly at the #1 spark plug wire on the cap. Then look at the rocker arms on the #1 cylinder and make sure they are fully in the up position and the valves are completely closed. That will give you an idea if the cam timing is out. Also look at the camshaft sprocket (not the crank sprocket) since you have the oil pan off. If it has nylon teeth REPLACE it. |
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Picked up a valve cover and oil pan gasket, just need to get the oil pan flattened out and surfaces cleaned/prepped. Might as well go ahead and paint the oil pan, does it need high heat paint or will standard stuff work?
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Add a long high strength magnet in the pan to catch trash, and runaway hardware.
Night before last a guy came by with a paper towel wet with oil after wiping the outside of the oil pan on a fresh overhauled engine. The owner said he paid $10k for the work. The oil pan is oversize and won't come out without hoisting the engine. The doc that paid for the work was pissed, his helper was out of his mind over the leak. |
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Quoted: What a kick in the dick. Hope you get it going. View Quote Burn After Reading - What Have We Learned Palmer? |
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OP....go look at the pic of the engine mount you posted. The rubber is all cracked.
What happens with the 4.2 engines is when they rubber goes bad, they collapse down, and make it hard to pull the oil pan out without jacking up the motor an inch or 2. The other thing that contributes to this is the transmission/transfer case mounts are probably shot as well. Before you try to stick the pan back in there......stick a jack under the bell housing (use a piece of wood between jack/bell housing) and slowly apply some upward pressure. As you do this....loosen the motor mounts at the frame bracket and on the block. This should give enough space to get the pan back in there without messing up the new gasket when you stick the pan back in there. And FWIW....use a large bead at the front/rear of the pan where the curved rubber seals are. These are usually where the leaks happen. Once the pan is in place and tightened up....slowly lower the jack back down and tighten the motor mounts/brackets. Or....spend a few bucks and toss in some new motor mounts/trans mount since they are already loose and shot out. . |
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*votes to replace the engine/trans mounts* if that engine decides to "torque up", the fan could say "hello" to the radiator... plus, collapsed mounts are a throttle stomp away from breaking apart, quite often.
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I pulled the oil pump to give me a little more room to clean the lower mating surface of the block, so I will have to replace the oil pump gasket...I see it listed with the kits, but haven't been able to find one individually...even on the Fel-Pro site. I may end up having to make my own, but surely its available by itself.
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Quoted: I pulled the oil pump to give me a little more room to clean the lower mating surface of the block, so I will have to replace the oil pump gasket...I see it listed with the kits, but haven't been able to find one individually...even on the Fel-Pro site. I may end up having to make my own, but surely its available by itself. View Quote From my experience with projects, just get the full kits. You never know when you'll pull a dumb and need a gasket suddenly. Your bolt in oil pan story reminded me of some of my lessons. Though my painful one was a Ducati rocker arm clip in the top end. And it was my only working vehicle at the time. |
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The rms on these is a bitch to get to seal. Unless you see a sign of leaking I’d leave it alone.
Removing the right engine mount is the usual way of getting the oil pan on and off. Fuel pumps for these engines are absolute garbage now. Best bet seems to be NAPA. The Jeep boards are full of people getting new fuel pumps that immediately leak or fail, |
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Quoted: The rms on these is a bitch to get to seal. Unless you see a sign of leaking I’d leave it alone. Removing the right engine mount is the usual way of getting the oil pan on and off. Fuel pumps for these engines are absolute garbage now. Best bet seems to be NAPA. The Jeep boards are full of people getting new fuel pumps that immediately leak or fail, View Quote Hopefully this pump will be OK, can't really do a whole lot of testing on it until I get everything back together. Hopefully I won't forget to put this back in until after I get gasket sealant smeared everywhere... Attached File |
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Oil Pump Gasket View Quote eta: just found one on ebay for $4.50 shipped. |
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Quoted: Hopefully this pump will be OK, can't really do a whole lot of testing on it until I get everything back together. Hopefully I won't forget to put this back in until after I get gasket sealant smeared everywhere... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/15608/20240724_201115_jpg-3276815.JPG View Quote Yep, just wanted to give you a heads up so you weren’t scratching your head. Wondering why your brand new fuel pump still wasn’t pumping fuel. You’re more likely to get a bad one than a good one now, so if it’s not working right, chances are you got a junk pump |
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Quoted: Yep, just wanted to give you a heads up so you weren’t scratching your head. Wondering why your brand new fuel pump still wasn’t pumping fuel. You’re more likely to get a bad one than a good one now, so if it’s not working right, chances are you got a junk pump View Quote Haven't actually tested the new pump yet... |
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Watch this OP. This is why you want to inspect the timing chain.
Jeep 4.2L Timing Chain Replacement |
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Oil pan is ready to go back on, now just need time to get it all back together.
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Oil pump gasket came in, bow I should be able to start putting things back together...
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Why don’t you have the lift all the way up so you can stand under it and work?
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A tall screw jack like that one I linked is an awesome tool when you have a lift. You can use it to hold up a tail pipe and I have used similar ones to jack up an engine/trans assy. To replace motor mounts or something like what you are doing
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I'm not a jeep guy but often you can loosen up the trans mount, jack the tail end of the trans up, and sneak an oil pan in. Once the pan is on, you could lift the engine up with a block of wood under the pan.
If you have an engine hoist, you might want to go that route. Of course, you won't have the car lifted. Just slide under on a creeper. The bell housing should be fine. Just a little awkward to get a purchase on. |
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Quoted: Never seen one of those lifts. Not ideal for the job you're doing but if portable is what you need or don't have enough ceiling height might be a good option. View Quote |
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Sometimes harmonic balancers can spin on the sleeve and the timing mark is no longer accurate on it. Always check with the valve cover off if it keeps giving you fits. I hate painting things black on an engine. Bright orange makes it super simple to see any leaks. Good luck
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Quoted: Never seen one of those lifts. Not ideal for the job you’re doing but if portable is what you need or don’t have enough ceiling height might be a good option. View Quote They're designed for smaller garages with limited height, you can actually unbolt the columns out of the way...even the hydraulic pump pack has quick disconnects. Mine is actually installed in a more permanent setup, with hydraulic lines run overhead and the power pack hanging on one of the columns. Works great for Jeep projects, oil changes, and tire/brake stuff. Eta: really needs to be about 6-8" higher, though...I'm working on fabbing up some lift pad extensions to the additional height. |
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You might be hitting the firewall with the back of the valve cover, as the engine is likely pivoting on the transmission mount instead of lifting "up".
I'd put new motor mounts in, install pan, then lower back down, and jack up transmission and Tcase from behind the skid, just enough to swap in a new tranmission mount. I like Poly motor mounts, but rubber transmission mounts. I used all Prothane on one of mine years ago and the damn vibration was horrible with all poly mounts. |
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You also might want to shine a flashlight into the fuel pump mounting area and make sure the eccentric is properly mounted. It would not be the first rebuilt motor that forgot to have it installed.
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Quoted: I think this was probably what was happening. Jacking up at the bellhousing, it was pretty much only lifting/pivoting the rear of the motor, transmission, and transfer case...and wasn't doing a good job of lifting the motor to clear the motor mount. Plus, the transmission jack is pretty much always in the way with the roller seat, so I had to get creative. Almost certainly needs a new trans mount bushing, but that's another project for another day. Lol, I noticed this when I first put it on the lift, but finally took a pic....not quite sure that's quite an OEM clutch shift linkage. https://i.imgur.com/ZzkXWxF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ns24r8C.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fMeuaxB.jpg View Quote |
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Looks good!
And that's definitely not the OEM clutch linkage, but if it works, it works! |
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