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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:58:59 AM EDT
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Do you think him working with Schumer/Pelosi is any different than him working with Ryan/McConnell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:59:03 AM EDT
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You mean "changed back".  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has a President ever changed parties mid first term?
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:59:12 AM EDT
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I'd like to see a similar rational non Glenn beck reasoning that there is any fact to this assertion beyond reading into the situation with rose colored glasses for the president. I don't see letting the opposition party have continued leverage with debt ceiling battles as particularly smart strategy. Maybe not the end of the world but not some checkmate move in 4d chess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If someone can give me rational reasons (and not Glenn Beck style talking points) why a 3 month debt limit extension is somehow the end of conservatism and means Trump is now suddenly going to go full Democrat, I'm willing to read it. Otherwise, all I see is the president engaging in a meaningless gesture to get a hurricane relief bill passed while simultaneously giving the finger to the fucksticks in his own party who already aren't doing anything conservative and forcing them to take sides during future primary debates. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:59:28 AM EDT
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I'm not answering a BS nonsensical hypothetical question that should never be asked. You have issues. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:00:54 AM EDT
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Can one of you nevertrumpers tell me why it is Trump's fault that the repeal and replacement of Obongocare failed when the 3 senators who killed it used liberal talking points as their justifications for voting "no"??? He never wanted a repeal. Why is it not a good thing that it failed (for what ever reason)? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:02:53 AM EDT
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...oh, I voted for Trump. But I was well aware that he would do things like support DACA and expand our debt. You and "your ilk" seem to support such RINO stuff. I oppose DACA and expanding the debt ceiling. You and Schumer cheer for it. I guess that's your thing. 
I will also remind you that, just like the cunts in Congress, fighting us all the way to the finish line only to claim you voted for Trump and were thus on the right side is bullshit and everyone sees that. 'Rather stabbed in the front than the back' is something that McConnell is finally learning. Now, just like you, it is almost certain that McConnell thinks he is winning and that this will distance Trump voters from Trump where as what it is actually doing is making Trump supporters hate McConnell and establishment Republicans even more than one thought was possible.  Got it. Odd how McConnell and company keep fucking up like on Obamacare where they helped us get stuck with it twice. Why if someone had an IQ above room temp they might even think that the Republicans want all these bad things to begin with 
The established cunts like McConnell fought us during the primary, during the general, and now they fight us in Congress. How can you even for a second not see how wrong it is to crow about repealing Obamacare for OVER EIGHT FUCKING YEARS only to NOT REPEAL OBAMACARE. That is what those fuckers did and keep on doing. You realize this? Trump gave them a chance to pass anything they could agree on and after EIGHT YEARS of lying to us they didn't have a single line they could pass. You are blind if you can't see how we gave the Republicans Congress and the Presidency, even though they didn't want it, and they have given us nothing in return. Obamacare You blame it all on Trump. We are both at the crossroads and you have gone one way and I have gone the other way.............I say FUCK CONGRESS. You say FUCK TRUMP. One of us is correct, the other is wrong. Instead, it was Obamacare-lite. THEN after conservatives thankfully stopped that effort, the fall back position became repeal. That's why repeal failed. That is why it failed.............three so called republicans stopped the repeal due to reasons TOTALLY outside the concept of "straight repeal". True repeal or OCare lite (aka TrumpCare)? As it turns out he failed in "getting the ball rolling" due to three Senators arguing liberal talking points as their justification for voting against the repeal. "Getting the ball rolling" and "We have to do something" are what got us where we are Trump supports these ideals and is willing to work with Schumer and Pelosi to "get the ball rolling" http://m.quickmeme.com/img/56/5691a5e1d316da2178fbef2ca412f23e2a9d3ea0544f58abfe74432793c8cd64.jpg Your logic is lacking..............sorry. I blame the GOPe I blame everyone who blindly vote them in office The .fed has been too Liberal for too long and now Trump is seen as Right 
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:03:05 AM EDT
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What "liberal talking points"? None of these Senators are particularly stupid - they voted in the manner that they thought would most likely secure their re-election. Although I'll concede that McCain's vote was probably also a big middle-finger to Trump - guess that's what Trump gets for liking people who "Don't get captured". 
At the end of the day, Trump is the nominal leader of the GOP. The GOP's failures are also Trump's. Trump's failures are also the GOP's. 
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:03:30 AM EDT
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Thank you for saying "replace" instead of "repeal" It let's everyone know where you really stand The fact remains that 3 crucial senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting no. Yet you blame Trump. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:03:39 AM EDT
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do you want him working with Ryan/McConnell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:04:01 AM EDT
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Apparently (in Trump's view) you join them
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He is shaming the republicans as he should.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:05:27 AM EDT
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Again, I've already said you are correct. Trump did not and could not vote for Obamacare-Lite. Or the straight repeal. I think he would've signed either if they had passed. I'm glad we agree that it's a problem for anyone to support Obamacare-Lite. I was really hoping Trump would use that moment to castrate the senators who didn't vote for the straight repeal. Especially the ones who promised to do so a million times. I was very sad when the next morning was a tweet about trannies in the military. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, IMHO the straight repeal was the way to go............but that is my ordinary Joe's desire. However, the FACTS show that the repeal failed because 3 senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting "no". There simply is no getting around that basic and important fact IMHO. I'm glad we agree that it's a problem for anyone to support Obamacare-Lite. I was really hoping Trump would use that moment to castrate the senators who didn't vote for the straight repeal. Especially the ones who promised to do so a million times. I was very sad when the next morning was a tweet about trannies in the military. We need more right wingers to get elected come 2018 IMHO. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:06:37 AM EDT
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Not at all Trump wants .fed healthcare and was willing to take possession of ObamaCare and add to it Congress (for what ever reason) thwarted his efforts Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Trump opposed TrumpCare? Understood Trump wants .fed healthcare and was willing to take possession of ObamaCare and add to it Congress (for what ever reason) thwarted his efforts It is because the senate has too many liberals that this all failed. Not Trump's fault. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:08:16 AM EDT
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Do you think him working with Schumer/Pelosi is any different than him working with Ryan/McConnell? The one which is entirely bought and paid for by globalist interests. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:09:01 AM EDT
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Back to repeal again? He never wanted a repeal. Why is it not a good thing that it failed (for what ever reason)? It would have got the ball rolling and IIRC even Mitchie said vote for "repeal" now and we have 2 years to come up with a final plan. Yet those 3 senators voted "no" because they wanted their liberal ideals to be etched in stone before even voting yes on anything. In fact, McFuck voted no because he wanted the GOP to partner with the democrats to come up with a new plan. Sorry, this is Congress's fault...........not Trump's. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:11:27 AM EDT
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No........not for "whatever reason".........the 3 crucial senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting no. It is because the senate has too many liberals that this all failed. Not Trump's fault. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Trump opposed TrumpCare? Understood Trump wants .fed healthcare and was willing to take possession of ObamaCare and add to it Congress (for what ever reason) thwarted his efforts It is because the senate has too many liberals that this all failed. Not Trump's fault. Alternatively, why couldn't Trump make "a deal" with 3 Democrats to get their support and offset the moderate R's? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:11:58 AM EDT
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Back to repeal again? He never wanted a repeal. Why is it not a good thing that it failed (for what ever reason)? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:14:10 AM EDT
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Why was Trump incapable of making "a deal" with them? I was told he was the best dealmaker ever. Alternatively, why couldn't Trump make "a deal" with 3 Democrats to get their support and offset the moderate R's? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:14:55 AM EDT
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Why was Trump incapable of making "a deal" with them? I was told he was the best dealmaker ever. Alternatively, why couldn't Trump make "a deal" with 3 Democrats to get their support and offset the moderate R's? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Trump opposed TrumpCare? Understood Trump wants .fed healthcare and was willing to take possession of ObamaCare and add to it Congress (for what ever reason) thwarted his efforts It is because the senate has too many liberals that this all failed. Not Trump's fault. Alternatively, why couldn't Trump make "a deal" with 3 Democrats to get their support and offset the moderate R's? I assume it is because, like you, too many Congress critters absolutely DESPISE Trump and want his agenda to utterly fail. They want him to be totally ineffective during this term and hope he will be replaced in 2020. The best way to do that is to fight against Trump on ALL policy issues IMHO. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:16:47 AM EDT
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/us/politics/trump-conservatives-democrats-deal.html?mcubz=0
WASHINGTON — It is the scenario that President Trump’s most conservative followers considered their worst nightmare, and on Wednesday it seemed to come true: The dealmaking political novice, whose ideology and loyalty were always fungible, cut a deal with Democrats.
If Mr. Trump’s agreement with the two Democratic leaders, Senator Chuck Schumer and Representative Nancy Pelosi, to increase the debt limit and finance the government for three months did not yet represent the breaking point between the president and his core, hard-right base of support, it certainly put him closer than he has ever been to tipping his fragile political coalition into open revolt. Stunned and irate, conservative leaders denounced news that Mr. Trump had agreed to rely on Democratic votes to win congressional approval for a temporary extension of the debt ceiling and funding of the government until mid-December. “These are the moments that can derail President Trump’s presidency,” said David Bozell, the president of For America and a Trump supporter, who added that the president’s base would be watching the next few months very carefully. “He is not Teflon,” Mr. Bozell added. “Trump spent some of his own political capital today.” Adam Brandon, the president of FreedomWorks, offered a searing judgment of the president: “Talk about burning bridges with the grass-roots.” “Meet the Swamp,” read the headline on the Breitbart News site. Beneath it was a picture of Mr. Trump meeting at the White House with Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Schumer and Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader. That was why many activists and voters swallowed their own reservations about the sincerity of his commitment to their causes, and brushed aside concerns from many fellow Republicans that they were cutting a deal with a charlatan who would inevitably sell them out. Seeing no other alternative but Hillary Clinton as president, they bought into Mr. Trump’s “drain the swamp” promises to upend Washington and forged a bond over their mutual contempt with the Republican Party establishment.
But on Wednesday, prominent conservatives scoffed at the deal that Mr. Trump signed onto — announced first, no less, by congressional Democrats — as something straight from the swamp. “I know for certain,” said Jenny Beth Martin, a founder of Tea Party Patriots, that grass-roots conservatives “did not work so hard last year to elect majorities in the House and the Senate and get Trump elected in the White House to enact liberal policy priorities.” |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:18:16 AM EDT
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Well apparently those three assholes are getting PORK from liberal entities, etc. That's D.C. leadership. After all, cost is no object. So long as electrons flow through copper the government will never run out of money! |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:18:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:19:50 AM EDT
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The presidents only real job with regard to legislation is to sign it or not sign it. Do you think that Trump wouldn't have signed an Obamacare repeal? Do you think he won't sign a debt limit extension? Or tax reform? I don't particularly like him on a personal level but I'd bet my house that given the chance he would sign all of that.
So that leaves us with a Congress that can't get their shit together. He gave them a chance, they didn't just fuck it up they critized him at every turn.all they had to do was fall into the shadow of the biggest political wind break in history and toe the fucking line. They couldn't. Now he is making them look like assholes by actually getting things done...i don't like that chucky has that smug fucking grin on his face and Pelosi thinks she's at Disney land or some senial shit...but this is a Regan style move. My only hope is that voters pit a non lethal shot across the GOPs bow...they need to unfuck themselves or Trump will rip off their head and shit democrats down their neck, and that won't be good for any of us. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:20:33 AM EDT
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Looks as though conservatives will have to work hard this coming up election to unseat the incumbents and vote in more conservatives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:21:22 AM EDT
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But the President should have met with each one, outbid all previous offers and secured the votes. That's D.C. leadership. After all, cost is no object. So long as electrons flow through copper the government will never run out of money! Well, I suppose he might be wealthy enough to bribe all the useless Congress critters but then maybe by then he might have to file for bankruptcy.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:21:50 AM EDT
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We need more right wingers to get elected come 2018 IMHO. Anyone seeking to do so should have started raising money at the start of this year, at the latest. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:22:08 AM EDT
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The Congressional re-election rate hovers right around 96 percent. Good luck. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:23:51 AM EDT
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Unfortunately it's very late to start mounting a primary challenge to most members of Congress. Anyone seeking to do so should have started raising money at the start of this year, at the latest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need more right wingers to get elected come 2018 IMHO. Anyone seeking to do so should have started raising money at the start of this year, at the latest. I know, maybe wishful thinking on my part again................but one MUST have hope!!! |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:25:25 AM EDT
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You are so far out in leftfield with your hatred of Trump that it is mind boggling. The fact remains that 3 crucial senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting no. Yet you blame Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you for saying "replace" instead of "repeal" It let's everyone know where you really stand The fact remains that 3 crucial senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting no. Yet you blame Trump. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:26:15 AM EDT
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Who would Congress hire to do a special investigation on Trump if he did that? Well, I suppose he might be wealthy enough to bribe all the useless Congress critters but then maybe by then he might have to file for bankruptcy.
The President is too sophisticated to use his own money to induce a member of Congress to support a bill. That's what the U.S. Treasury is for. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:27:34 AM EDT
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Yeah, ok Mr. Einstein. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is shaming the republicans as he should.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:27:56 AM EDT
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I'm just here to watch the trumps leg humpers who think he's some conservative messiah have a fucking meltdown.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:32:13 AM EDT
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If only Hillary had won, things would be so much better.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:32:14 AM EDT
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Challenge accepted. You with me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Congressional re-election rate hovers right around 96 percent. Good luck. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:33:06 AM EDT
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Again, why is it a bad thing that they twarted Trump from assuming responsibility for ObamaCare (regardless of their reasons)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you for saying "replace" instead of "repeal" It let's everyone know where you really stand The fact remains that 3 crucial senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting no. Yet you blame Trump. Wait until after 2018 and hopefully get more right wingers in the Congress............then proceed? It would have been nice to get the ball rolling and during 2018 they would hopefully have been a long ways to coming up with something to repeal and replace Obongocare with. It has to start SOMETIME................I do not see it happening with this current Congress because too many of them are liberal............which includes some GOP assholes. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:33:49 AM EDT
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The last thing members of Congress want is an investigation into the workings of Congress.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:34:11 AM EDT
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Do you think him working with Schumer/Pelosi is any different than him working with Ryan/McConnell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:34:35 AM EDT
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I'm just here to watch the trumps leg humpers who think he's some conservative messiah have a fucking meltdown. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:38:25 AM EDT
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I, for one, never thought he was a "conservative messiah". I still believe that the most important aspect of his administration is seeding courts with conservative judges. So far that part is going extremely well. That's the part that determines our nation's course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just here to watch the trumps leg humpers who think he's some conservative messiah have a fucking meltdown. How about axing the "czars"? Undoing bad executive orders? I'm talking easy stuff here. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:38:35 AM EDT
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So what do you want to do? Wait until after 2018 and hopefully get more right wingers in the Congress............then proceed? It would have been nice to get the ball rolling and during 2018 they would hopefully have been a long ways to coming up with something to repeal and replace Obongocare with. It has to start SOMETIME................I do not see it happening with this current Congress because too many of them are liberal............which includes some GOP assholes. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:41:11 AM EDT
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Yes, and I'm sorry if you can't see how it is. The people he's conducting business with on that couch are just as bad as Hillary was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:41:51 AM EDT
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I'm just here to watch the trumps leg humpers who think he's some conservative messiah have a fucking meltdown. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:44:00 AM EDT
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Love Mattis and Gorsuch. That's what I voted for. But I would prefer there be less compromises with Schumer and Pelosi. , have been stabbing Trump in the back the whole time and have been refusing to work with him to move anything forward. So what is Trump supposed to do? He either becomes the GOPe bitch, which is what you would prefer, or he becomes the statesman he said he would working to get things done for the people. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would. The only people complaining about it are the former NeverTrumps and the GOPe. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:45:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:50:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:51:58 AM EDT
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If someone can give me rational reasons why a 3 month debt limit extension is somehow the end of conservatism and means Trump is now suddenly going to go full Democrat, I'm willing to read it. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:52:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:53:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:54:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:56:32 AM EDT
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Think about what you just said If it was Hillary they were conducting business with (for the exact same bill/deal), the screeching and gnashing of teeth from these "Conservatives" would be deafening |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:59:42 AM EDT
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