How has Russia won? Please be specific. We know what Russia intended to happen and also what actually happened and they are very, very far apart.

Russian goals have not been achieved and Russian military power has been severely eroded.

Was that the plan?

LOL not even close.

That being said, I'm sure since the last classified leaks, which put the numbers not quite equal, but not that far appart (this was pre-WW1 Bakhmut and pre-UKR offensive) its probably still not great and still nowhere in Ukraines favor. Sadly if there is one resource the russians have to throw at the problem its bodies.

Is there where i go to post how russia shelled its own front line into oblivion?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/164rvyv/july_2023_russian_communications_intercepted_by/?share_id=91N9ZHQ6LGusrHzG8K9w-&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

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Unless you are the one dropping the bomb, or making sure that everything works safely and as intended, then it is a hell of an achievement.

Unreliable source.  

Pretty sure the "radio" voice was actually Volodymyr.

I would say they are close to their goals.

Looks like they got more than 50% of those areas they claimed just need to hold on to them. I'm guessing the plan is let the Ukrainians wear themselves out on the defenses then just finish taking these areas.

At least that's how I understand it.

*old map but just showing the areas they claimed.

Um, no.
Russia is not one of our biggest enemies. Our neo-con deep state is.
The neo-cons (mostly jewish) under Obama (including Victoria Nuland, et al) - used the CIA to overthrow the elected Ukrainian government in 2014.
They installed their own puppets, who are un-apologetically neo-nazis bent on ethnic cleansing (Maidan radicals following the teachings of the murderous Stephan Bandera)
The Ukrainian military was then built up with US supplied weapons and training for the next 8 years, and continued to shell and torture ethnic Russians in the eastern Donbas (Luhansk and Donetsk regions mostly).
Putin has said for over 10 years that Russia wanted Ukraine to be neutral, that it not be allowed to have nuclear weapons on its border with Russia, and that it could not join NATO.
European countries and the US and Russia agreed to these terms in peace agreements call the Minsk Accords in 2014, but the US and Europe completely ignored the agreements and continued military buildups and training.
Angela Merkel of Germany, after she left office last year, was quoted as saying "nobody on the west had any intention of keeping those agreements, they were just to delay while NATO continued its military buildup(s)".
There were significant Ukrainian troop and equipment buildups (>200,000) in the Donbas in 2022, enough in fact for Russia's military intelligence to warn Ukraine might be a spot for NATO invasion into Russian territory.
So, Russia 'invaded' in early 2022 to protect its Russian people in the far eastern part of the country.  Putin's stated Special Military Operation - was intended to decrease Ukraine's military ability to threaten Russia, protect the people in the Donbass regions, and act to enforce what he has continually stated for the past 10 years were Russia's national security interests (no nukes and no NATO expansion-which Russia has been guaranteed by US leaders for the last 20 years).
The neocons in the US (which have controlled US foreign and military policy since Reagan - including our disastrous invasion(s) of Iraq and Afghanistan (and toppling Libya, etc) - are crazed with global domination in every breath, but have a special hatred for Russia as someone that has militarily stood up to US control of the mideast (Syria), and now Ukraine.  They have no concern for America's best interest, and have no problem sending our troops to these countries for no particular reason other than financial and military control.  They have spent 20 trillion dollars over the last 20 years 'defending the American way of life against our enemies', while bankrupting the country. They play and luv muh Murica.
Russia has had no desire to 'take over Ukraine' - it is a vast land mass the size of Texas and why would he want the quagmire of 'occupying' a country that to a large extent doesn't want to be occupied. Been there, done that. Vast waste of lives and resources. That is why it has not been a 'war' to them in the traditional sense where the winner 'takes over' the loser. It has great agricultural potential in some areas, and he has said 'go for it Ukraine' - farm and feed Europe and Africa with your exports like you have been for years. They need your agricultural products and they are starving without them. Russia has never interfered with Ukraine's food trade/exports. But Putin won't let NATO control, arm, and use Ukraine as a tool against Russia. Putin would be happy if Ukraine is one giant neutral demilitarized zone, and especially if Ukraine's neo-nazis were neutered as a force and murderous ideology.
Putin has absolutely achieved his goals of demilitarization - by establishing meat grinder kill zones in Bahmut and elsewhere, where the US government and our puppet Zelensky continue to spend billions of dollars and have expended over 300,000 Ukrainian troops.  They don't care how many men die and how much money is spent. We will fight this war 'to that last Ukrainian'.  Ukraine has almost no troops left, they are conscripting teenagers and old men to send to the front lines, and Russia just waits for these untrained units to bring in German leopard tanks, US Bradley fighting vehicles, and M177 howitzers.. which are destroyed almost immediately once they get to the battle zones. And now we are going to send old model F-16s that the Dutch and other countries want to get rid of??  Putin has to be shaking his head thinking 'just how crazy are these people when we are dug in, have had total air control of the country since day 1, and we have superior technology and artillery superiority to destroy anything the Ukrainians/US bring. This "war" has been an unmitigated disaster in terms of lives lost and money spent and equipment destroyed. Putin has had an open door to peace talks, but the US won't let them happen. Peace talks were scheduled over a year ago, but then the US sent Boris Johnson to stop the talks and that has resulted in over 100,000 lives and 50 billion dollars ago. Lockheed, and BAE Systems and Northrup Grumman and every other military equipment company are at the feeding trough, and they are money-drunk along with the bought and paid for Congress (both parties) - together, they won't let peace happen.  
First 'we' armed Ukraine, then blew up the Nordstream Pipelines so Europe has paid through the nose for its energy - such that every country is in recession and headed toward depression.  Very disgusting and very tragic.
Russia and China are our adversaries only to the extent that they stand up to the US [neocons] desire for global domination. They would just as soon ignore the US (as the BRICS nations have said about the US and the dollar) and watch the US burn itself down or crumble into a 1929 style depression.
We have identified the enemy, and it is an internal cancer.

More so than hosting death video watching parties?

Damn. ....

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Yes we all know Igor is out walking the fields in Ukraine with a clipboard tallying casualties.

He counts good

Lol

Yeah nothing invites me to read your manifesto about the "neo-con Jew deep state" like formatting it into a solid brick wall text.

The neo-con deep state can't have an 850 billion defense budget without having big scary enemies like Russia and China now can it?

This is probably the biggest issue I have with the main thread. What evidence is there that their military is in shambles outside of links to Twitter, inflated and inaccurate MOD numbers, or personal opinion.

I'm not against believing it, I just haven't seen hard evidence that convinces me of it.

Everyone in the main thread talks as if all they have left is a couple horse drawn carriages pulling the last artillery piece they have onto the battle field. However what were seeing doesn't agree with that.

"Special military operation".   you guys used to be so much more subtle what happened?

The problem with that is Russia claims all of Ukraine, not just the newly created puppets states.

Which ironically is not what Putin claims the war is about.

Hearts and minds. Duh!

How old are you? Do you know how Reagan broke the USSR's back? He outspent them. They couldn't keep up the arms race. It crashed their economy.
 Putin remembers. He doesn't have to "win", according your terms. He just has to keep the West engaged, and wasting money. Our economy is circling the toilet bowl. But you keep on repeating your talking point propaganda bullshit.
Russia will surrender any day now.

That’s not a fair representation. They seem to have lots of D20s and BMPs left. The problem is more organizational in nature.

Nearly everything I posted in there tonight is from Russian sources. And while none of it is a “gotcha”, no such one piece of confirmatory information exists. You have to read over time, Russians saying they don’t have ammo, Russians saying they’re not getting rested or rotated, Russians complaining about “non-Russian Russians” that are being bussed into Moscow to do physical labor.

Complaining about criminally bad leadership- huge dustup among well known Russian military members/affiliates on this in the last week.

The 205th Motorized Rifle Brigade is the unit at Kakhovka dam in Kherson. They send guys out onto one of the islands. One unit member posts that the water table is so high you can’t dig, so there’s almost no cover on the island. Ukrainians shell the shit out of them. They’re there for days taking massive casualties, and according to another unit member “the guys caught a rat to eat”. A senior lieutenant tries to get them off the island, and not only does leadership say no, they throw the LT in a MENTAL HOSPITAL.

This story was repeated by easily a half dozen well known TG channels, including the deputy information minister of DPR, which is about when a formal investigation was opened up by MoD. A 205th member posted soon after that nothing happened, but they got off the island.

It is the greatest soap opera of all time.

Anyway, besides this and many many more stories of just backwards incompetence…I mean you do the math.
If you’re so sure that Russia should roll right through….why haven’t they?

Because their capabilities and industrial capacity are not at all what they’ve been portrayed to be.

?????

From last night.

And so, I have information from verified sources that the Military Counterintelligence (VKR), today received the task of detaining our comrades in the Kherson region, on this list: Romanov, Zhivov, Saponkov.

And also, the "valiant" brigade commander of the 205th brigade, among other things, gave the task to all posts to identify and detain the above people.

Hello 1937!

That is, everyone who can be removed is removed, some are imprisoned, some are eliminated forever, a mess and lawlessness is created at the front, and those who speak the truth are trying to be eliminated by any available means, INSTEAD OF FIXING THESE SITUATIONS, THEY REMOVE THOSE WHO GIVES THE TRUTH.

The question is of course rhetorical, does the command have a conscience? I think the answer is obvious.

If honest Officers remain in our Armed Forces, then they will not allow this to be done, and if this happens, then know that lies are at every step, and those who issue these criminal orders are nothing but traitors and accomplices of the enemy.

P.S. The 2nd company of the 205th brigade is scattered in different places, half of them are taken to Dzhankoy so that they cannot convey information to the inspectors from the Moscow Region.

https://t.me/Separ13_13/18456

No where did he say Russia won. He said Ukraine can't win and every legit news source agrees.

We know what your misguided interpretation says. The actual people involved say different

THIS.
BRICs is literally the start of the end of the US dollar and the idea of BRICs currency has accelerated since RUS invaded UKR.

I have a hard time seeing BRICS being able to put together their political differences and agree to a multi-country currency to replace their internal currencies.

Where is the BRICS army? Why hasn't it helped Russia out and win the war?



But yet Russia has not won and Ukraine still exists with almost every Russian goal not obtained yet. It's now 553 days past the Russian victory declaration and Russia still hasn't taken Kyiv like they originally intended.

Ukraine is winning.



The actual people involved who said "Ukraine has returned to Russia"?

@daoliver924



By having paratroopers execute civilians in Bucha?





Almost 40

Putin does remember which is why he planned for a short war no longer than a few weeks to topple the government, annex the land, and install a puppet government as a rump state to "not leave the Ukrainian question for others".

Ukraine had other ideas

They are sending mosin nagants, T55s, BTR50s, and having to beg for ammunition from Iran, Myanmar, and North Korea.

That's a sign of victory?

War is hell.

Bad guys are doing bad things and you think the "Neo con deep state" is the problem?

Remind me when you ever feel the need to draw a gun and defend yourself to not do so. You don't want to spend the money on arms, ammunition, or any kind of martial object because that would be funding the evil MIC

Russia should end it and go back to the borders of Russia and stop trying to annex their neighbors.

278 Leopards is a lot of steel.

The war is winnable. Ask your Russians in Verbove how it's going

First you complain Europe isn't doing enough then you complain when Europe sends hundreds of tanks? At least be consistent.

A Russian state employee who was employed as a spokesman-Petyr Akopov. Hardly "Some overzealous reporter". He believed what Russia was doing and thought they were capable of it.

Turns out they weren't.

Putin claims Ukraine belongs to Russia, summarized.

On the historical unity of Ukrainians and Russians

There is literally Nothing worse than RussiaCucks.  

People are strangely clueless about History.   They need to gain a little perspective reading about the losses France took fighting off the Germans.  
And, that was with help from Britain and Belgium.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

Well, there ya have it folks.   The Stab in the Back myth reborne!    

I have to ask;  Where you you get all your delightfully verbose propaganda?    


You can spin it any way you like, but the only Demilitarization achieved by Putin, has been the destruction of his Own vaunted Army.  

Blame it on Da Jews all you like, but that ain’t going to re-build a single new Russian tank or helicopter.    

Europe is now Re-Militarized against Russia.     Putin and his Cheerleaders have achieved the exact opposite of what they intended.  

You and your masters might actually be able to convince me, that this is a war between World Bank owners (some of which are Jewish). And Putin.    

But if that’s the case, Putin is losing badly.   At this point, his losses are probably insurmountable.   Russian power and prestige will be damaged for decades.   They are absolutely Fucked economically.  

Do you honestly Think Russia has superior weapons and technology to the West?     If so, the propaganda has destroyed your ability to reason.  


This might be a good topic of a different thread.  

He nailed ‘em All.
…kind-of a newbie I think, but Damn if he didn’t come charging out of the gate full of vim and vigor.  

I hope that wasn’t just boilerplate cut-n-paste, ‘cause I’m going to enjoy talking to him if he’s real.

With this post you have shown all that you lack any actual knowledge of world events and couldn't be bothered actually learning anything.   "Where is the BRICS army? Why hasn't it helped Russia out and win the war?"
BRICS is a grouping of the world economies of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.
https://fortune.com/2023/06/25/dollar-reserve-currency-brics-brazil-russia-india-china-south-africa/

And what about the adult male population of the LNR and DNR who have had 100% conscription and have been decimated? It's very convenient (for russian support of the war) that they aren't "russian troops". If 1/3 of those conscripts are dead then they exceed those alleged Ukrainian loses. This is possibly the greatest crime of the war and no-one is talking about it.

Don't forget suspending pension payments to Russians that live outside Russia. That's something you do when your economy is just fine.

https://vigilantnews.com/post/what-theyre-telling-you-about-ukraine-is-a-lie-tucker-carlson-interviews-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban

So, basically you're saying WE started the war that neither Ukraine nor Russia wanted to fight.  So I guess we'd better support Ukraine then,  since we forced them into this.

And people keep parroting “Brics” like it is some kind of war winning weapon. How are those economies doing right now?

OMG! There are people dying in a war??  What a fucking joke of a post and article.

2015.   It just goes to show you, how long they’ve been here.

Their goal is to restore the former glory of the USSR.

Saying they are close is the equivalent to saying some simp is going to marry some chick off of only fans.

https://youtu.be/fgGuQvDwOD0?si=b9KWZFXroJt8TgYJ

In this short clip, Col. Douglas MacGregor PBD and Tom discuss why McGregor Predicts Ukraine is Doomed.

Now post the videos from 2022 where he said the same thing.
MacGregor is big floppy clownshoes.

If you believe this you should get out more.

Oh, and Ron Paul has some gold to sell you.