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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:01:45 AM EDT
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So if Egyptians did not build the pyramids, is the suggestion that Carthaginians did it? Maybe Nubians? Sudanese? The Welsh? Druids? Imports from Guatemala?
Whoever built them didn't do it in a week. They had to live there. Whatever the place was called when they were there, it's called Egypt now. The complexity of Egypt's history has been mentioned. To say "Egyptians didn't do that" sounds a lot like Obama saying "you didn't build that" in the U.S. If you don't want to give the present day Egyptian populace credit(and there is obviously no-one currently alive who was involved)you still have to credit people who lived there when the structures were built. Do we know who those people were? Do we know what color they were? Do we know what kind of government they had? Do we know anything about their religion? That depends on the age of the construction. Is that really the issue here? The Greeks believed that slave labour was used, but modern discoveries made at nearby workers' camps associated with construction at Giza suggest that it was built instead by thousands of conscript laborers. So it wasn't slaves, it was conscripts. Gotcha! Sounds like a bunch of asshole liberal arts jagoffs playing rhetoric games because there's not enough actual evidence to make any actual conclusions. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 8:05:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if Egyptians did not build the pyramids, is the suggestion that Carthaginians did it? Maybe Nubians? Sudanese? The Welsh? Druids? Imports from Guatemala? Whoever built them didn't do it in a week. They had to live there. Whatever the place was called when they were there, it's called Egypt now. The complexity of Egypt's history has been mentioned. To say "Egyptians didn't do that" sounds a lot like Obama saying "you didn't build that" in the U.S. If you don't want to give the present day Egyptian populace credit(and there is obviously no-one currently alive who was involved)you still have to credit people who lived there when the structures were built. Do we know who those people were? Do we know what color they were? Do we know what kind of government they had? Do we know anything about their religion? That depends on the age of the construction. Is that really the issue here? So it wasn't slaves, it was conscripts. Gotcha! Sounds like a bunch of asshole liberal arts jagoffs playing rhetoric games because there's not enough actual evidence to make any actual conclusions. Quote HistoryQuoted: So if Egyptians did not build the pyramids, is the suggestion that Carthaginians did it? Maybe Nubians? Sudanese? The Welsh? Druids? Imports from Guatemala? Whoever built them didn't do it in a week. They had to live there. Whatever the place was called when they were there, it's called Egypt now. The complexity of Egypt's history has been mentioned. To say "Egyptians didn't do that" sounds a lot like Obama saying "you didn't build that" in the U.S. If you don't want to give the present day Egyptian populace credit(and there is obviously no-one currently alive who was involved)you still have to credit people who lived there when the structures were built. Do we know who those people were? Do we know what color they were? Do we know what kind of government they had? Do we know anything about their religion? That depends on the age of the construction. Is that really the issue here? The Greeks believed that slave labour was used, but modern discoveries made at nearby workers' camps associated with construction at Giza suggest that it was built instead by thousands of conscript laborers. So it wasn't slaves, it was conscripts. Gotcha! Sounds like a bunch of asshole liberal arts jagoffs playing rhetoric games because there's not enough actual evidence to make any actual conclusions. When people say "The Egyptians didn't build the Pyramids" it's just an abbreviation for the implied "The 4th Pharaoh Dynasty didn't build the Pyramids." |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 8:42:07 AM EDT
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The Pyramids were built by ancient Swedes.
We wuz Kangz! 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 8:56:46 AM EDT
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Basically the only way this debate ends is if another pyramid is found at the bottom of an ocean with mermaid skeletons inside and a big meteor embedded in the front lawn.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:05:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically the only way this debate ends is if another pyramid is found at the bottom of an ocean with mermaid skeletons inside and a big meteor embedded in the front lawn. You believe the Egyptologist/archaeologist mafia would allow such findings to be made public? 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:08:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You believe the Egyptologist/archaeologist mafia would allow such findings to be made public? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Basically the only way this debate ends is if another pyramid is found at the bottom of an ocean with mermaid skeletons inside and a big meteor embedded in the front lawn. You believe the Egyptologist/archaeologist mafia would allow such findings to be made public? You think they could keep it under wraps?
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:09:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those scans are going to trigger the alarms, then the aliens will come and eat our brains. Sigh....once again, our so called "leaders" in Washington will get off scot free because there's nothing for the aliens to feed on. Life is so unfair. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:11:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think they could keep it under wraps? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Basically the only way this debate ends is if another pyramid is found at the bottom of an ocean with mermaid skeletons inside and a big meteor embedded in the front lawn. You believe the Egyptologist/archaeologist mafia would allow such findings to be made public? You think they could keep it under wraps? 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:42:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didnt think so. Went and checked. Exodus 1:11 mentions "garrison cities" in one translation and "store houses" in another as being a result of jewish labor Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Pyramids aren't mentioned in the Bible. I didnt think so. Went and checked. Exodus 1:11 mentions "garrison cities" in one translation and "store houses" in another as being a result of jewish labor Well, land of Goshen! |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 1:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, land of Goshen! Everything I've seen indicates that the biblical Egypt was New Kingdom, that slaves were not a significant part of pyramid construction, and that there weren't even Jews around at that time to be the slaves if they had worked on the pyramids. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Possibly lot older than we think. I’m of the opinion, 12,000+ years ago. Then that's the most durable weather resistant limestoneever, but whatever. I think the Flood was about 20-40k years ago and young earth creationist tards are off their nut, but the pyramids are not 12k old, IMO. It's damn sure an interesting debate though, and fun what with it not having any real personal impact and so on. 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 8:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you mind sharing any links for me to check out @Mr_Nasty99 ? This seems to be in line with some stonework I’ve seen photos of from Puma Punku, Saksaywamen, and Caral Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Incas were master stonecutters. https://live.staticflickr.com/4901/31448065737_d9285d44bf_h.jpgSacsayhuaman by FredMan, on Flickr The Mayans were lazybones who just threw things together. My buddy is a PhD Chemist that specializes in the chemistry of hard things. He believes those "stones" were poured, and not actually carved. He's taken me down the rabbit hole a couple times, and it sounds pretty convincing. Would you mind sharing any links for me to check out @Mr_Nasty99 ? This seems to be in line with some stonework I’ve seen photos of from Puma Punku, Saksaywamen, and Caral |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:26:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty fascinating. What's causing this shadow? Invisible antenna to communicate with the aliens who built it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416483/giza-pyramids-4_2_jpg-2315896.JPG 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:19:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The stones in the pyramids at Giza do not have a uniform size. Does your friend believe they used differently sized molds for each pour? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Incas were master stonecutters. https://live.staticflickr.com/4901/31448065737_d9285d44bf_h.jpgSacsayhuaman by FredMan, on Flickr The Mayans were lazybones who just threw things together. My buddy is a PhD Chemist that specializes in the chemistry of hard things. He believes those "stones" were poured, and not actually carved. He's taken me down the rabbit hole a couple times, and it sounds pretty convincing. The stones in the pyramids at Giza do not have a uniform size. Does your friend believe they used differently sized molds for each pour? You’re on the wrong continent and the wrong pyramids. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:36:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, because there is no way people were smart enough to stack rocks several thousand years ago. Move a 100 ton stone with no wheel and just ropes. Oh yeah and carve it out of the ground with some pennies. Now do it thousands of times. 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Thread after thread you've produced bupkis.  Ignorance is fine. Its curable. Clinging to it like it was a virtue is disgusting though. So personal attacks are fine now? Wonder how quiet you will be when it is proved to be built prior to Younger Dryas? |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:42:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So personal attacks are fine now? Wonder how quiet you will be when it is proved to be built prior to Younger Dryas? If it turns out to be that I will buy you the best steak dinner available if you're within 100 miles of my location. Save this post, I am good for it. 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:43:32 PM EDT
[#18]
lol this fucking place.
Miss when it used to be more or less contained within the Q thread. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Move a 100 ton stone with no wheel and just ropes. Oh yeah and carve it out of the ground with some pennies. Now do it thousands of times. Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:47:58 PM EDT
[#20]
I don't think the pyramids were built by the dynastic Egyptians. And I don't think they were tombs either. If anything, the dynastic Egyptians merely dug them out of the sand. We're about to find a bunch of shit under the Sahara, a desert that's 96% the size of the entirely of the US.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:49:25 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Move a 100 ton stone with no wheel and just ropes. Oh yeah and carve it out of the ground with some pennies. Now do it thousands of times. Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. Modern folks tend to overthink the problem and underestimate the ingenuity of the folks in the "ancient" times.  AMAZING VIDEO! Man Lifts 20 Ton Block By Hand? |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges.   IMO not rollers. Wet sand. Sometimes with different clay additives to give more slip.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 12:48:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern folks tend to overthink the problem and underestimate the ingenuity of the folks in the "ancient" times.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8cQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Move a 100 ton stone with no wheel and just ropes. Oh yeah and carve it out of the ground with some pennies. Now do it thousands of times. Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. Modern folks tend to overthink the problem and underestimate the ingenuity of the folks in the "ancient" times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8cModern people greatly underestimate the ingenuity of folks without the distractions of the modern world. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 12:54:11 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern people greatly underestimate the ingenuity of folks without the distractions of the modern world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Move a 100 ton stone with no wheel and just ropes. Oh yeah and carve it out of the ground with some pennies. Now do it thousands of times. Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. Modern folks tend to overthink the problem and underestimate the ingenuity of the folks in the "ancient" times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8cModern people greatly underestimate the ingenuity of folks without the distractions of the modern world. I suspect that folks back in the day may have had "distractions of the modern world" relative to their known world. .....I would love to know the truth about "ancient times" but hot damn it's fun to speculate and debate. 
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Posted: 3/21/2022 1:08:13 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. Hell, I can move a 12K lb semi by myself, and I'm not a strong guy, so wheels/logs can make moving stuff easy. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 1:15:13 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, I can move a 12K lb semi by myself, and I'm not a strong guy, so wheels/logs can make moving stuff easy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. Hell, I can move a 12K lb semi by myself, and I'm not a strong guy, so wheels/logs can make moving stuff easy. *knot* a slight against you.... It's amazing what humans can do.....compression, counter weights, tension, torsion, ramps(screws), oil, uranium, etc, etc, etc. 
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Posted: 3/21/2022 1:54:56 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, because usually it would take about an hour to look at a sample under a 800X microscope to see if it was ordinary sedimentary limestone or if it had ever been in a molten state. Which would be neat, because calcium carbonate and sulfate have really high melting points. I don't think you can actually melt them in ordinary conditions, if memory serves, because the breakdown temp is lower than the melt point, although I'd want to confirm that.  Concrete. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 6:46:12 AM EDT
[#28]
Isn't it ridiculous to think the pyramid is built virtually throughout with the same size stones as seen on the outside today? I'd bet it's full of small, fill stones and gravel. Isn't it more likely the exterior we see today is a sloping, rectangular shaped, retaining wall? I bet it isn't built of those large stones throughout because it wasn't necessary. It would have been stupid to do that.
Angle of repose. Look it up. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 6:51:30 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't it ridiculous to think the pyramid is built virtually throughout with the same size stones as seen on the outside today? I'd bet it's full of small, fill stones and gravel. Isn't it more likely the exterior we see today is a sloping, rectangular shaped, retaining wall? I bet it isn't built of those large stones throughout because it wasn't necessary. It would have been stupid to do that. Angle of repose. Look it up. Why is that ridiculous? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 6:55:03 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is that ridiculous?  Why is written in what you quoted. Read it again. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 6:59:50 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is written in what you quoted. Read it again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why is that ridiculous? Why is written in what you quoted. Read it again. I read it twice before I replied. I haven't seen any evidence that the Great Pyramids are composed primarily of rubble. Do you have any evidence for your idea? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 7:15:38 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I read it twice before I replied. I haven't seen any evidence that the Great Pyramids are composed primarily of rubble. Do you have any evidence for your idea? Occam's razor, bro. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 7:18:03 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Occam's razor, bro. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I read it twice before I replied. I haven't seen any evidence that the Great Pyramids are composed primarily of rubble. Do you have any evidence for your idea? Occam's razor, bro. None of the excavations into the stones have revealed rubble. Bro. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 7:53:46 AM EDT
[#34]
Bro. Bruh.
Barneys last name was Rubble. Uh, hello. 
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Posted: 3/21/2022 8:23:30 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Occam's razor, bro. Thing is we know pretty well what a rubble filled pyramid ends up looking like.  Once the shiny nice stone holding it all together on the outside is plundered it kind of melts.
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Posted: 3/22/2022 11:00:24 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thing is we know pretty well what a rubble filled pyramid ends up looking like. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/fd/f1/c7fdf1ae288ff36cf3373fc07f38f4ce.jpg Once the shiny nice stone holding it all together on the outside is plundered it kind of melts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Occam's razor, bro. Thing is we know pretty well what a rubble filled pyramid ends up looking like. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/fd/f1/c7fdf1ae288ff36cf3373fc07f38f4ce.jpg Once the shiny nice stone holding it all together on the outside is plundered it kind of melts. Where were the super smart aliens or antidiluvian techno-gods on that one (or the goofy bent pyramid)? |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 12:27:00 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Occam's razor, bro. There are numerous forced passages/tunnels and none have found the interior of the pyramid to be back filled with rubble. The grotto has that appearance but it’s because it’s below ground in the hill. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 12:39:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern people greatly underestimate the ingenuity of folks without the distractions of the modern world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Move a 100 ton stone with no wheel and just ropes. Oh yeah and carve it out of the ground with some pennies. Now do it thousands of times. Put them on rollers. I have seen 16 DATS pull a 52 ton M60A1 tank. Stone Mountian GA was quarried well in to the industrial era using wooden maules and dry Wooden wedges. Modern folks tend to overthink the problem and underestimate the ingenuity of the folks in the "ancient" times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8cModern people greatly underestimate the ingenuity of folks without the distractions of the modern world. There was an article that showed how they could have wrapped the slabs of stone with logs and make it roundish so it could be pushed with levers. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 1:29:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where were the super smart aliens or antidiluvian techno-gods on that one (or the goofy bent pyramid)? I guess the techno-brain super gods showed up and put the crew right about halfway up the bent I guess. It's a pretty cool one to see, and is definitely the worst to climb. Steepest, tightest, lots of bats. It's the one with the most remaining original fine limestone casing still intact. No fee, no hustlers selling chinese rubber dogshit, no swarms of rude chinese. It's a great place to study an unrestored mortuary temple or subsidiary pyramid.   |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 2:00:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess the techno-brain super gods showed up and put the crew right about halfway up the bent I guess. It's a pretty cool one to see, and is definitely the worst to climb. Steepest, tightest, lots of bats. It's the one with the most remaining original fine limestone casing still intact. No fee, no hustlers selling chinese rubber dogshit, no swarms of rude chinese. It's a great place to study an unrestored mortuary temple or subsidiary pyramid. https://i.imgur.com/vu0rq4u.jpg https://i.imgur.com/arONTm6.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where were the super smart aliens or antidiluvian techno-gods on that one (or the goofy bent pyramid)? I guess the techno-brain super gods showed up and put the crew right about halfway up the bent I guess. It's a pretty cool one to see, and is definitely the worst to climb. Steepest, tightest, lots of bats. It's the one with the most remaining original fine limestone casing still intact. No fee, no hustlers selling chinese rubber dogshit, no swarms of rude chinese. It's a great place to study an unrestored mortuary temple or subsidiary pyramid. https://i.imgur.com/vu0rq4u.jpg https://i.imgur.com/arONTm6.jpg And Maydum? Where are they “mysterious voids” found only with cosmic rays and shit in those? |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 2:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Maydum? Where are they “mysterious voids” found only with cosmic rays and shit in those? I haven't been to Meidum, only seen a few of the ruined pyramids up close, all around Saqqara. It's a short walk from Djoser's to a few with pyramid texts but if you look south from there it's all "hills", each one a ruined rubble filled pyramid. As far as "mysterious voids", I'd kind of doubt that any pyramids other than those at Giza have undergone such intense and expensive analysis. Finding voids in the others might make for a good journal article but nobody's getting famous like that. I think it's more likely that voids we find in Giza are artifacts of construction rather than additional sacred spaces but that's clearly a wild-ass guess. I expect we'd find similar in the Red and Bent. Some like Djoser's and the Black are somewhat unstable from the labyrinth of passages under them. I wonder if they'll ever get Djoser's firmed up enough for tourists, it's apparently fucking incredible down there. Lots of faience decoration and such. Oddly enough, the first time I was at Saqqara, Djoser was all wrapped up in scaffolding and there was a fucking dog standing at the top watching us like it weren't nuthin. 
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