Just got back from seeing the The Force Awakens with my 14-year-old son. I absolutely loved the movie. Almost cried tears of joy just from the satisfaction of finally getting to see what had become of my beloved characters from the original films. I'm just so happy right now and I can't wait for the next film!

Okay I've been pondering this for a bit and I have a crazy theory...
Everyone seems pretty sure that Rey is either Luke's daughter or the "missing" Solo twin (even though the EU has been kicked to the curb) but honestly it's pretty obvious that Han or Leia would have mentioned,"Hey we have a missing daughter too, not just a missing prick of a son..." at some point but they didn't. So that leaves Luke, but the problem there is Luke has spent a lot of his life trying to not be his father, he's actually come close to becoming him when he was fighting Vader on the Death Star II, and what was his dad's problem that lead to his downfall? And here I hate to actually type this because it's from the thrice-damned Prequels, but Anakin's problem and issue that lead him to the Dark Side was he fell in love and wanted a family. So Luke probably had fears about 1) falling in love and that somehow messing him up like daddy and/or 2) the Force is strong in his family and he saw what happened when he tried to train Ben and who became Kylo Renn (aka My Grandpa's Biggest Fanboy Ever!) so there was a good chance any kid he had wouldn't just be strong in the Force but since the Dark Side traditionally called to his family (and won) that any kid of his would have a high probability of flipping to the Dark Side, so why risk it? Plus he's not exactly a babemagnet and the closest we've ever seen to him getting any action is with his sister on Hoth, but I digress...I think it's improbable that she's Luke's kid, especially since there are so many obvious clues that she is. They're a little too obvious.  So if she isn't a Solo and she's not a Skywalker, who the hell is she? She's obviously very powerful in the Force and since the Force is strong in bloodlines what does that leave?
She's related to a completely different Jedi...
The Jedi weren't allowed to have families because that would be a distraction and split their loyalty, but it was never said that Jedi weren't allowed to have children. If the Force is actually something that is passed down in certain bloodlines, some of which are more powerful than others then the Jedi Order would have to be mindnumbingly stupid to actually forbid Jedi Knights to have children. Think about it, if there was a Jedi who had insanely fine control over Force powers and you knew that that ability was inherited would you say to the guy,"You know if you had kids they'd be as powerful as you are and a great addition to the Jedi Order. Unfortunately you can never have kids so that kinda sucks that we're going to wind up with a bunch of kids only half as good as you are in the next generation..." or something? It makes no damn sense, they know ability in the Force is inherited, so they'd be all for powerful and stable Jedi having children since it makes the Jedi as a whole stronger. Jedi who were mature enough to handle knowing that they could have a child, but never be a parent since the kid would be taken in as a (I am grimacing as I type this word too) "youngling" to be raised by the Jedi as a whole instead of by mommy or daddy Jedi. Hell they may not even know who their parent(s) who were Jedi was. That is the sort of shit the Jedi Order in the Republic would pull off since they were assholes like that.
So if the Jedi were allowed to have children but not have families, then any of them could have kids. She could be the granddaughter of one of the Jedi killed in one of the battles during the Clone Wars. But then that's sort of anticlimactic. She sure isn't an alien's kid or grandkid. She's extremely powerful in the Force. And Luke's lightsaber called out to her which is one of the "too obvious" hints that she's Luke's kid or at least a Skywalker/Solo...but that lightsaber was only in Luke's hands for what 2-3 years? And Anakin's for a bit longer. Who had that lightsaber for the longest duration since it was built? The guy I think was her grandfather: Obi-wan Kenobi.
Crazytalk huh? But think about this, she is told that her parents (one of which is a Kenobi) are never coming back. Luke could have come back. Han and Leia saw her, they could come back, hell she went to them. So no family reunions there. She has dreams of the island where Luke was found so some people would draw the too-obvious-conclusion that she was there before she got dumped into the life of a scavenger, but remember in ESB Yoda told Luke that powerful Jedi can see visions of things that have happened somewhere else, some of which really happened, some of which are possibilities so she's been dreaming of her meeting with Luke all her life because it was a possible future not something she actually remembered from her childhood. Another bit of evidence from ESB: When Luke takes off in his X-Wing Yoda and Ben have the moment where the line "No, there is another..." is said and everyone assumed that was Leia, but (EU aside) Leia never actually trained in the Jedi arts because if she had she just wouldn't have been a General in the Resistance in The Force Awakens she'd be a damn Jedi by now herself; the "other" is the surviving line of Kenobi.
And the final exhibit in my crazy theory, the final shot of her and Luke. If she is Luke's child she would have a claim on the lightsaber as her birthright, or at least be feeling like she should have it. Instead she is holding it out for Luke to take. Where have we seen this before? On Tatooine when Ben presented Luke with his father's lightsaber. Ben did it, in part, to motivate Luke to accept that he was strong in the Force and to get him to get off his ass and become the Jedi he should be instead of just giving him a lift to Mos Eisley. Rey is mirroring the passing of his father's lightsaber to Luke, to motivate him to get off his ass and off that island and go do Jedi shit that needs doing dammit! It's a circle, a Kenobi getting a Skywalker to do what he knows in his heart he should do.
Oh and how did that lightsaber wind up in the basement of a bar? Jedi can see visions of the past, the future, and possibilities. That lightsaber was in a duct on Cloud City for who knows how long. So someone had to go find it, someone with a connection to both the Skywalkers and that lightsaber itself. That would have been Rey's Jedi mother or father, who was Ben Kenobi's child. They knew how to find it just like Sauron knew how to find the One Ring. They knew that they had to put it in a place where their own child would find it and bring it to Luke. They knew that even though the Empire was defeated it wasn't going to stay defeated, so they hid their daughter in a place where the First Order wouldn't find her until it was time to find her...and they picked a desert planet because that's a damn Kenobi tradition.
Crazy? Yep. True? Probably not. But is it possible? I think so, and it makes more sense than having her be Luke's kid just because everyone expects her to be Luke's kid. As for the whole trailer,"The Force is strong in my family, my father had it, I have it, and you have it..." that is something that he could have said in reference to Ben Solo (Kylo Renn) and not to the too-obvious Rey. Hell, that could have been the spark that lit Ben Solo's grandfather issues to begin with. So yep I'm putting forth that she's actually Rey Kenobi, granddaughter of the only Jedi who could actually act.



 

I get what you are saying, but I also think that would look like a retarded monkey knife fight..  

So basically like the lightsaber fights in the Prequels.



 

I've always felt like there were fairly strong gyroscopic forces in the hilt that gave a feeling of weight to the movement.

 

So what we have is:
Rey = Luke

Finn = Solo

Poe = Wedge

BB8 = R2


Is Chewbacca still going to be Chewbacca?

The truth is it can have anything imagination wants it to have.  There's no such thing as a light saber.  Maybe the unicorn farts that power the blade have mass, maybe it's powered by taping into dark matter it gathers from the aether and it has mass and weight generated from the pi dimension.  

At the end of the day, giving the light saber mass makes for more entertaining visuals.  

If we started to pick apart the science of Star Wars, there'd be nothing left.  

They do (suppose to) so they aren't that easy to swing. Doesn't seem to be a focus in film which is understandable.

I thought I read it somewhere after I dreamed about it

 

Seemed to make sense.

The running theory is the Palpatine believed he killed Palagus but actually didn't.  Palagus was supposed to be very good at illusion.

Watch the Clone Wars series. It has a vastly better Anakin then the douch in the prequels portrayed. Word of caution it take a while for the series to get good.

 
Yup.


AAMOF, I think Harrison Ford acted better in TFA than in any of the original films. No doubt that's due to both his growth as an actor, and the screenplay.

 
Ponda Baba's arm from Ep. IV:










AFAIK the wampa's arm was cauterized when Luke chopped it off, but he is shown as a messy eater before that.






 

Yes in the Jedi order Jedi's weren't allowed families. But they also weren't allowed to be trained if they weren't very young.

Luke blew that out of the water. Also the Jedi order no longer exists. So Luke can use his mind trick on any hot chick he wants :)

I don't think Rey's lineage will ever be known...I don't think it's important.  I think Rey is the Force's champion, just like Vader was in Episodes 4-6.  Vader was the Force-savant like Rey is now...and the conflicted Light Side/Dark Side figure that Kylo Ren is...the 2 characters combined are Darth Vader.  They've simply broken the character up into 2 people.

What's better at CAS, xwing or tie?

Doesn't matter.

Pilots don't care, and requests get routed though hyperspace to some bureaucrat who doesn't understand what you need anyway.

Do probe Droid operators get ptsd?

 

http://epicstream.com/news/Reys-Identity-Revealed-in-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Disney-Infinity-Game

AngryJoe posted a video on that reveal last night, but the video has been pulled this morning. Hmmm, the long arm of Disney?



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To be fair, 87% of the fans had already made the same conclusion. Not exactly the galaxies greatest mystery.

So, what you are suggesting is that instead of her Grandfather being Darth Vader, her Grandfather was Hitler?




I am convinced she is

1) Vader's descendent
2) Not Luke's daughter  (everything to make you think that now makes for a great plot twist in VIII)

Interesting thought to go back ESB for "there is another".  But wouldn't Adolf Kenobi know he had a son or daughter?

I am not sure what other conclusion one could come to.  I mean unless you go with the "it's so obvious it must be a fake out" line of thinking.

There's also the line luke says in the trailer. Strong in my family Yada yada. You have it too.

I bet she can whistle like a bird and probably will be in shorts in the next movie, plus her staff could be considered a really long swagger stick...just sayin'.





If the Jedi were allowed to have children and just not families, then Ben could know he had a kid, but not exactly which of Youngling Class #AA23 he/she was after the kid was born and sent off to the Jedi Madrasa. The kid could later find out he/she is a Kenobi but by this time they would have been on the run considering Anakin was murdering everyone and just not made it back to let Ben have his Maury moment. Since the Jedi Order is kaput and the Empire is ruling the galaxy they could have said screw this and gotten married, had Ren but then hid her before going off and doing Secret Jedi Shit...like finding Luke's lightsaber. It could work.



I've been thinking about that lightsaber a lot today too, it is starting to almost seem like the One Ring in a way it's being treated as a quest item in the new movie.  But what if it's more than just that? When you get right down to it Ben had it longer than anyone, but never actually used it. Anakin originally had it and used it a lot, but a lot of that was murdering the hell out of Sandpeople, Jedi kids, other Jedi who weren't as emo as he was and anyone else who pissed him off that day, in other words Dark Side Shit. So then Ben gets it and hangs on to it for a couple of decades and then hands it over to Luke. While Luke owns it the only times we ever see it used are to practice with the blast shield down, kill a Wampa, gut a Tauntaun, open an AT-AT hatch, train with Yoda (including chopping dream Vader's head off during the Warning in the Tree sequence) and then fight Vader (and lose) on Cloud City. In other words, Luke didn't do much killing with it except for animals and when he used it against Darth he lost and the saber was lost. So for most of that lightsaber's existence it was either murdering people while being used for Dark Side Shit, or sitting around in box in Ben's house. Maybe it failed Luke on Cloud City because he wasn't living up to what the lightsaber expected of him. Just touching it can give Force sensitive people flashes of the past, we assumed it was the past of Luke mainly because it was Luke's lightsaber, but what if the visions weren't about Luke but just featured him because he had that lightsaber? So I'm calling it now, that lightsaber is gonna wind up as the Star Wars equivalent of Stormbringer, and there may be a damn good reason that Luke didn't run over to Rey and go "Mine! Mine!" in his best Yoda impression as soon as he saw she had it because that thing is bad mojo, very bad mojo and probably needs thrown in a volcano before the series is over.



 

It's a hint, true, but that line was spoken in RotJ when Luke was telling Leia they were brother and sister. I think having Rey be Luke's daughter just makes the universe smaller. Other than Snoke, this means that all of the Jedi/Sith/Ren who exist now are in the Skywalker family tree.
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She was pointing it at him, and it doesn't have a safety?

I like your theory, the only issue I have is Kenobi's age. He was old when Luke was around Rey's age. He could have been getting busy as an old man but I don't know.

Lol....has anyone thought to ask whether Uncle Owen had any kids, brothers, or other such family?  Any one of them would be a cousin.

She also has Darth Plaguous' staff/lightsaber.

Chewie will be undergoing gender reassignment to become Kaitlynbacca, now that Han is dead. He was really the only thing standing in her way.

Excellent point but I believe the Lars family ended with Owens and Beru.

It is unknown if Shmi Skywalker had other family.

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Are we sure Luke was only training children in the force when he attempted to rebuild the Jedi Order? What if Luke tried to train adults as Jedi, and they were a casualty of Ben Solo and the First Order destroying the new Jedi Order? Realistically, Rey could be the daughter of any number of people if Luke tried to train adults in the force.



The old Jedi Order only allowed children to begin training, but that went out the window with Luke. And Luke may well try to train others as he was trained.


Also I agree that just because Rey may walk the path of light doesn't mean she was sired by a good guy. Just because she's force sensitive doesn't mean her parents were as well.

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Y-Wing..............the original attack spacecraft


I found this interesting:

http://epicstream.com/news/Lucasfilm-Just-Revealed-A-Huge-Force-Connection-For-The-First-Order-in-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens

Ywings were decommissioned so they could get more awing squadrons.

A-Wings were definitely faster.............but not sure they are that much better at CAS..........I have always read where they were considered space superiority fighters along with B-Wings

Wait, if they use the terms A, B, X, and Y wing because the shape resembles the letter then why don't we see English lettering everywhere?

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The Y-Wing was actually designed and built around the mighty ion cannon....

Hey now that came in damn handy for disabling capital ships in the X-wing games...

A wings had faulty control software. They crash into capital ships all the time.

I'm sure your post is 87% sarcasm but just in case.  Wookies have very long life spans.  He even appears in the Clone Wars series which was like 30 years before ep IV.

Wouldn't be too old for her to be her granddaughter though, plus it seems every kid in Star Wars was raised by someone other than their actual parents, if one of hers was one of Ben's then it breaks the cycle of "Damn another kid got dropped off, honey go buy more milk!" that is so prevalent in Star Wars.



As for the lightsaber, yep all Jedi are supposed to make one as part of their training, but the way they're handling Luke's in an almost totem-like fashion could mean that there's something special about the Blue Babykilling lightsaber of Skywalker.






Hell
the first time Luke was handed his father's lightsaber at Ben's house he pulled the
Star Wars equivalent of James May looking down the barrel of a shotgun bit. So we should just be glad
he didn't show up in The Force Awakens just to have his face sliced off through his bad saber
handling habits.



I will say this though, Kylo is definitely following in Uncle Luke's footsteps too,"Gee I have this really, really
dangerous weapon here. Hmm, so what can I do to make it even more
dangerous-er? I know! Lightsaber quillons! It'll be totally badass!
Vwrrrrrr-vwrrrrrrr-kwisssshhh...ohhh yeaaaaah baby..."



 

3PO: Well this is awkward, and that's coming from me of all people...
Chewie: Rwar!!! I finally get to drape myself in velvet!
Leia: ImotherfuckingLOVEcocaineWOOOOOOOOcocaineisAWESOME!OhwaitdidIeatsomeshroomsTOO?OHSHIT!
Han: I'm really not getting paid enough for this shit...
Luke: George hasn't told me anything about his ideas for the next movie, Empire something something whatever, but man I really hope I get to bang Leia in it. I mean holy shit, just look at those perky pointy things! I am so glad I got this gig...

 

 
That video was proven fake within minutes of it being posted. There's no such line in the game. Somebody cut together two different lines.


HOWEVER, if you have been following the making of this movie for 3 years, and read the storyboard outline, the movie novel, and the other books, it's obvious Rey is Luke's daughter. For some reason JJ decided at the 11th hour to remove everything that says "Luke's daughter!!" From the movie.

He wants it to be a surprise.  

 
I mean from the perspective of changing from the old guard to the new.  Who fits who's role.