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Posted: 3/20/2023 5:22:15 PM EDT
Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked the other employee.
Employee flips out because he did not like what the other employee had to say about business related matters. Threatens violence outside of work. Employee later apologies. What level of discipline/consequence would you think is appropriate for a situation like this? —— Update: Same employee attempted to get a different employee to fight, made threats and taunts, two weeks after the first instance. They were BOTH sent home for a week during an ‘investigation.’ Both employees, including the crazy dude, are back at work. Feels like clown world. |
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When I worked in NOC we had a guy tell another guy he was being a little bitch. Mortal Combat ensued but got broken up before any blows were thrown, this happened 2 or 3 times haha.
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First time? A warning and a note on his "permanent record"
A history of threats? The Boot. |
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Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass.
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Bring everyone out to
The courtyard and let them have a fight. The caveat is that it’s a tag team fight. Each person gets to pick one person from the office to tag in. Everyone else can start betting on the fight |
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I mean if it's all documented and this occurred in a white collar office setting?
If the company is large enough to have an HR department the manager would probably want to kick it over the fence right away and let them do their thing. Specific threats of violence and I'd imagine they get fired with cause and removed from the premises |
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If he ends up killing someone, who’s gonna get sued?
Why take the chance? |
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Well in my line of work you get escorted out by security where police are waiting. Back when Inwas a kid working as a hod carrier working my way through my first degree, you get your ass kicked then fired. However a few times the foreman let two fellas throw fists after work because it was a mutual agreement that they just hate each other and wanted on different shifts, winner got to pick which shift they wanted
Saw a lot of fights between dry wall guys and painters as well. |
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This is common in blue collar jobs. More of a way of speaking than a legit threat. Regular office job, depends if it was a joke or if the guy's a real psycho.
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Quoted: Trial by combat. View Quote Quoted: Two men enter, one man leaves View Quote |
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Quoted: Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked the other employee. Employee flips out because he did not like what the other employee had to say about business related matters. Threatens violence outside of work. Employee later apologies. What level of discipline/consequence would you think is appropriate for a situation like this? View Quote Dismissal for cause. Immediately. |
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You got to terminate, or if anything else happened with that employee, you will get sued. Gots to go for liability.
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Immediately terminate the employee that can’t act like a professional.
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Why outside of work? You don't allow employees to work out their differences at work?
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Crazy you ask.. this happen to my wife today as she’s the manager of a company in town. She fired the problem starter and wrote up the other guy.
On a side note: She reminded me she’s carrying and had a blade on her. Locked their office doors for rest of the day as the two guys work in the field. |
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Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS.
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Quoted: And construction. When did men become such scared pussies? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like an everyday occurrence in the oilfield. And construction. When did men become such scared pussies? Most office type workplaces have a strict nonviolent workplace policy. Yearly training and sign off that I will comply has been required at every job site I’ve worked at. Verbal threats of any nature are explicitly addressed in said policy and training. |
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Quoted: When anybody could be sued for anything View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like an everyday occurrence in the oilfield. And construction. When did men become such scared pussies? When anybody could be sued for anything Yep, wouldn't want to get in a legal battle or lose my business over some stupid shit between employees. |
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Quoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. If he isn’t fired and something happens, your company will be sued, and lose |
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Quoted: When anybody could be sued for anything View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like an everyday occurrence in the oilfield. And construction. When did men become such scared pussies? When anybody could be sued for anything Scared of a fight? No. Scared of going too far and being burdened with legal/financial troubles; and being blackballed by the general contractor. Yes. Psychos have no place on a jobsite. |
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Quoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. Yep, can that dumb fuck. |
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Where I work if 2 people physically fight they're both wrong and they're both fired
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Well, I went into another agents office with a baseball bat for not the intention of sportsball, once. We sorted it out and are still friends years later.
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Quoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. View Quote Did it 2x. I had to fire a buddy who drove me to work that day. The other time, once the guy was terminated he told me he was gonna go to his trunk and “grab something”. That did not go over well with me. |
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That would be grounds for immediate termination at my last job, assuming there was at least one independent witness.
But at least we were allowed to bring weapons to the office. |
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What should happen? Let them fight.
What will happen? Conflict training which a whopping dose of diversity. |
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Elaborate on violence.
Name calling? Invitation to mutual combat? "I know where you live and will visit you in the night"? Even the 2nd one could get a 1-time pass. |
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