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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:33:34 PM EDT
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I haven't gone over the data carefully, but I would suspect confounding variables. People don't get initial 10 day opoid prescriptions for minor things.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:34:51 PM EDT
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Wired. I've had several surgeries from which I was on meds for a couple months. I actually was glad to quit.
Not doubting the study though, I've seen people turn into pill heads pretty quick. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:35:25 PM EDT
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Research methodology matters
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:37:34 PM EDT
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Data is flawed, or made up entirely to promote someone's agenda.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:38:04 PM EDT
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I call bullsh*t.
ETA: if you look at studies done on patients after they leave burn units (where the opioids flow like a mighty river), the number of people who turn into addicts is very small. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:39:33 PM EDT
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Data is flawed, or made up entirely to promote someone's agenda. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:39:42 PM EDT
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link The longer a person uses opioids, the greater the risk of forming a deadly addiction. But just how long does it take to switch from being a short-term user—say, while you’re dealing with pain after a surgery—to a long-term, potentially problematic user? A few weeks? A month? According to a new study, that transition could take just a matter of days. ... When patients get an initial opioid prescription that’s just a one-day supply, they have about a six-percent chance of being on opioids for a year or longer. But if that first prescription is for a three-day supply, the probability of long-term use starts inching up. With an initial five-day supply, the chance jumps to about 10 percent. With a six-day supply, the chance hits 12 percent. With 10-day’s worth, the odds of still being on opioids a year later hits roughly 20 percent. That’s according to the new study’s lead author Bradley Martin, a professor of pharmaceutical evaluation and policy at the University of Arkansas for Medical Science. It’s a fast rise, Martin said to Ars. “We really didn’t expect that.” And, according to the rest of the data—published Friday in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR)—things just keep getting worse from there. ... Isn't that kind of a chicken-egg thing? The people with longer prescriptions might end up on them longer because they have long term issues? Of course it is addictive stuff, but yeah, if someone is prescribed a single day's dose, it makes sense that they are less likely to be on it a year later than someone prescribed for a month for numerous reasons. Perhaps the article is poorly worded but causation is not demonstrated based on what's written. I do believe people are more likely to become dependent the longer they're on it, because that's how the drug works, but I don't see how the professor proved anything. RIFF though. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:40:27 PM EDT
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I had shoulder surgery over Christmas. Was prescribed hydros along with other stuff.
Went two days on the hydros and quit. Dunno how anybody can enjoy that kinda shit. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:41:42 PM EDT
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I call bullsh*t. And I'm not taking the time to find and read the study in depth. I'll let somebody else analyze the shit out of it. But consider me skeptical as hell. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:42:10 PM EDT
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Data is flawed, or made up entirely to promote someone's agenda. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:43:27 PM EDT
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And how many of those people had underlying mental issues?
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:44:02 PM EDT
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Wired. I've had several surgeries from which I was on meds for a couple months. I actually was glad to quit. Not doubting the study though, I've seen people turn into pill heads pretty quick. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:45:34 PM EDT
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I had shoulder surgery over Christmas. Was prescribed hydros along with other stuff. Went two days on the hydros and quit. Dunno how anybody can enjoy that kinda shit. Last time I had surgery, I was texting my surgeon on Post-Op-Day-#2, BEGGING him to let me take some non-steroidals rather than the Lortab/Percocet I had available. It worked better than the narcotics. I honestly don't like any of that crap. There are people out there who are genetically primed for addiction. I'm obviously not one of them. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:46:26 PM EDT
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... does it matter?
The real question should be: why should someone else get to analyze those risks and make those choices for you? |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:46:44 PM EDT
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Double-dose of this pimpin'
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:48:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:49:06 PM EDT
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20% of the population is weak minded with no willpower. Those 20% are more likely to abuse any substance that can be abused.
Correlation=/causation. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:50:42 PM EDT
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Umm... Isn't the study on whether or not individuals who are prescribed opioids for pain are then still being prescribed opioids for pain a year later?
What does this have to do with becoming a possible substance abusing druggy? Would you call a guy prescribed opioids for chronic back pain a druggy for still being prescribed opioids by his doctor in the next year? I'm confused... Am I reading this right? Missing something? |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:52:12 PM EDT
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I have to admit: choosing to take medication rather than be in pain is addictive.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:57:47 PM EDT
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Personally I think addictive personality is addictive personality.
I was on an opioid narcotic as prescribed by the USN for about 7 years as I recall. I quit cold turkey after a civilian nurse forced me to re-read the side effects that I read years earlier when I was suffering following an accident aboard ship. I went to my VA doctor who asked how I was doing on my prescription and I told him I had quit. His eyes got huge and said "you can't do that!" that the withdraw hand to be managed. I told him I went from 2-3 pills a day to one for a couple of weeks, and then to a pill every other day, and finally I just quit. Folks get addicted to all sorts of things - food, sex, exercise, dieting, drugs, gambling ... |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 6:59:12 PM EDT
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Umm... Isn't the study on whether or not individuals who are prescribed opioids for pain are then still being prescribed opioids for pain a year later? What does this have to do with becoming a possible substance abusing druggy? Would you call a guy prescribed opioids for chronic back pain a druggy for still being prescribed opioids by his doctor in the next year? I'm confused... Am I reading this right? Missing something? From the study: "the extent to which chronic opioid use was intentional versus the outgrowth of acute use is not known". |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:01:26 PM EDT
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Hmm
I have been given months of opioids while waiting for a surgery (gall stones) and I definately dont go seeking opioids. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:02:36 PM EDT
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Umm... Isn't the study on whether or not individuals who are prescribed opioids for pain are then still being prescribed opioids for pain a year later? What does this have to do with becoming a possible substance abusing druggy? Would you call a guy prescribed opioids for chronic back pain a druggy for still being prescribed opioids by his doctor in the next year? I'm confused... Am I reading this right? Missing something? The so-called reporting on this topic is like the rest of so-called reporting. It's mostly BS wrapped up in drivel. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:03:14 PM EDT
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I call bullsh*t. ETA: if you look at studies done on patients after they leave burn units (where the opioids flow like a mighty river), the number of people who turn into addicts is very small. 
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:03:29 PM EDT
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Wired. I've had several surgeries from which I was on meds for a couple months. I actually was glad to quit. Not doubting the study though, I've seen people turn into pill heads pretty quick. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:06:06 PM EDT
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20% of the population is weak minded with no willpower. Those 20% are more likely to abuse any substance that can be abused. Correlation=/causation. Its not like addicts wear a sign that says "if you give me opiates, i will have a hard time stopping." |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:06:17 PM EDT
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I call bullsh*t. ETA: if you look at studies done on patients after they leave burn units (where the opioids flow like a mighty river), the number of people who turn into addicts is very small. "Here, take these pills/this iv narcotic and then in a few minutes, we'll peel your scabs and dead skin off, debride to healthy tissue, and then scrub your wounds." |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:09:31 PM EDT
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I have to admit: choosing to take medication rather than be in pain is addictive. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:09:38 PM EDT
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And what about the people who were already addicted before the treatment for which the script was written? Its not like addicts wear a sign that says "if you give me opiates, i will have a hard time stopping." |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:09:41 PM EDT
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Absolutely, Dilaudid did to me. It took several weeks to get completely off it.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:11:36 PM EDT
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"Patients who continued opioid therapy for =1 year were more likely to be older, female, have a pain diagnosis before opioid initiation, initiated on higher doses of opioids, and publically or self-insured"
LOL, older Medicaid or no pay women with a hx of pain get hooked. Latest from the online medical journal "Duh!" |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:13:20 PM EDT
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I haven't gone over the data carefully, but I would suspect confounding variables. People don't get initial 10 day opoid prescriptions for minor things. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:21:39 PM EDT
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You're not missing anything. Using logic and common sense is not allowed nowadays. Most articles about opiates operate under the assumption that opiates are prescribed for one reason only: to create junkies. They act like there are no patients with long term chronic pain who might benefit from opiates. The so-called reporting on this topic is like the rest of so-called reporting. It's mostly BS wrapped up in drivel. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:31:48 PM EDT
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I get constipated from too much Tylenol.
I'd die a horrible death if I was on opioids for ten days. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:33:29 PM EDT
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I have to admit: choosing to take medication rather than be in pain is addictive. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:35:29 PM EDT
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I've had some injuries that opiods were a god send. Guess what. I have no addiction to them.
I may be addicted to doing stupid things but I sure as hell don't give a shit about opiods. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:38:06 PM EDT
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I've never had any analgesic effect or intoxication from them. They just make my stomach hurt.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:38:22 PM EDT
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Probably due to operant conditioning in the burn ward. "Here, take these pills/this iv narcotic and then in a few minutes, we'll peel your scabs and dead skin off, debride to healthy tissue, and then scrub your wounds." Overdose, die. Narcan brings you back. Overdose again(sometimes within a day or 2, lather-rinse-repeat. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:45:36 PM EDT
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I was on IV Dilaudid for 10 days when hospitalized with pancreatitis. Then they sent me home cold turkey . I was miserable for 3 days and still can't understand why anyone would do that for fun.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:48:22 PM EDT
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That doesn't seem to work with heroin junkies. Overdose, die. Narcan brings you back. Overdose again(sometimes within a day or 2, lather-rinse-repeat. Drink, get pancreatitis, vomit (in terrible pain) for days, go back to drinking. Get pancreatitis again. Lather, rinse, repeat. Do this until your pancreas liquified/autodigests, become diabetic, keep on drinking, while refusing to take your insulin. Go into DKA, vomit (in terrible pain) for days. Go back to drinking. Lather, rinse, repeat. Eventually die. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:48:53 PM EDT
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I think it's bullshit. I have had somewhere around 100 kidney stones and up until this year I've had a running scrip for 50 mg demerol. I would call the doc every October and get another scrip of 30 pills just to keep legal since that's when the previous scrip would expire. Starting this year I have to actively be having a stone attack before I can get a scrip and then it will only be 10 pills which is enough to get through just one day of pain. The dosage has always been 2 50mg pills plus 1 phenergan every 4 hours.
The reason I can't get the demerol anymore is because of the damn addicts. I hate to take the demerol because I don't like how they make me feel but I need them when I'm having the pain. I have never wanted to continue taking them after a stone and the longest I took them was 10 days. I have been plagued with the stones for 27 years. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:49:24 PM EDT
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And 10 days without it turned them in heroin addicts.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:51:59 PM EDT
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That story is a bunch of bullshit that is going to lead to even more patients suffering in agony due to government meddling in doctor/patient relationships for fear of addiction. All you people that hype opiates as the problem, rather than blaming addicts for their own actions, deserve to be denied pain meds when the time inevitably comes in your life that you need pain relief.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:00:12 PM EDT
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Shit - I dumped a lot of crap into people. I'd say suicide is a bigger concern than opioid addiction. For me, anyway.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:01:54 PM EDT
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And what about the people who were already addicted before the treatment for which the script was written? Its not like addicts wear a sign that says "if you give me opiates, i will have a hard time stopping." When their state controlled substance database report shows 85 scripts for 10-30 Hydrocodone/Oxycodone each time from 40 physicians in a year, that's basically wearing a sign. When they forget to tell me about the Suboxone they've been on for a year, that's a sign. This is a retrospective survey of insurance company records. It's not a controlled, prospective study (which would be really hard to do). So, the conclusions that can be drawn are limited. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:06:10 PM EDT
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Doctors aren't famous for statistical literacy, but if you're saying the CDC is full of shit, how about showing your work? Of course one must be skeptical of the CDC--it has become a political organization that fits "research" to political positions. For example, the CDC on guns as a disease and supporting more gun control. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:07:30 PM EDT
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2 days worth is a 100% chance of turning me into a raging and violent SOB.
Can't handle that stuff at all. I'm told I don't shut up the first day. No one is sure was worse.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:10:11 PM EDT
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Separated my shoulder one time while deployed.
Got a giant bottle of Tylenol #3. Didn't get addicted but between the Codeine and MREs, I definitely got constipated! |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:15:17 PM EDT
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Been on opioids many times. Many operations from playing college football, chronic back pain with surgery and getting shot 3 times in the gut. Not addicted to them although they are nice to have, especially with a few beers or a couple bourbon drinks.
Guess I'm part of the 80%. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:16:35 PM EDT
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I had them for an accident and I stopped taking them for fear I would have issues (some in my family have). They are not worth the trouble in my opinion.
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