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Posted: 7/27/2017 11:23:46 PM EST

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Anywhere there's an artillery unit. Fort Campbell has a pretty sizable artillery impact area. (I should know, I've adjusted a lot of fire missions while stationed there.) Fort Sill is the Fires Center of Excellence (home of the Field Artillery), but that didn't really look like Sill. It could have been any number of posts, though, such as Benning, Stewart, Bragg, Drum, or one of the many National Guard or Reserve owned ranges.

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Ft Sill is home to the only hill in all of Oklahoma, which they shoot with artillery.

Posted: 7/27/2017 11:25:08 PM EST

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I need a good ole Jeep with a recoiless rifle.

Posted: 7/27/2017 11:25:16 PM EST

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Ft Sill is home to the only hill in all of Oklahoma, which they shoot with artillery.

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Anywhere there's an artillery unit. Fort Campbell has a pretty sizable artillery impact area. (I should know, I've adjusted a lot of fire missions while stationed there.) Fort Sill is the Fires Center of Excellence (home of the Field Artillery), but that didn't really look like Sill. It could have been any number of posts, though, such as Benning, Stewart, Bragg, Drum, or one of the many National Guard or Reserve owned ranges.

Ft Sill is home to the only hill in all of Oklahoma, which they shoot with artillery.

And that hill is only there because it's the dirt pushed aside by bulldozers when they built the pool at the officer's club.

Posted: 7/27/2017 11:28:58 PM EST

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This is something a bit different...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrZ6RxBhma0

Something like that would probably prove pretty useful in our light infantry direct support artillery battalions if we ever went to war against an enemy with modern equipment.

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everything changes, everything stays the same:

Posted: 7/27/2017 11:33:19 PM EST

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how soon will they show up on govliquidation.com?

Posted: 7/27/2017 11:55:51 PM EST

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everything changes, everything stays the same:
http://i.imgur.com/V9QhRTz.jpg

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In fairness, those were technically Tank Destroyers.
The 105mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M7 is in the same ballpark, though.

Posted: 7/28/2017 12:09:24 AM EST

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That's pretty cool but how many rounds can it fire before the chassis fails? Seems pretty lightweight. And, where are the support vehicles for ammo and FDC?

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75mm recoilless guns were on jeeps during WWII.

Posted: 7/28/2017 12:12:00 AM EST

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75mm recoilless guns were on jeeps during WWII.

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That's pretty cool but how many rounds can it fire before the chassis fails? Seems pretty lightweight. And, where are the support vehicles for ammo and FDC?

75mm recoilless guns were on jeeps during WWII.

Heck, non-recoilless 37mm anti-tank guns were on 3/4 ton weapons carriers at around the same time. I'm willing to bet that a much sturdier HMMWV with hydraulic rear spades and front jacks, plus that nifty-looking recoil system, will hold up at least as well with a lower-velocity piece.

Posted: 7/28/2017 12:27:08 AM EST

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Dear lord, you just made me think about a 105 on an MRAP....

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no need to stop at one

Posted: 7/28/2017 1:04:53 AM EST

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Merlin: Question for the US Army types: Where does the USA typically fire those type weapons? It looked like the eastern side of the US.
Thanks,

Anything made in or near Michigan could be fired at Camp Grayling.

Posted: 7/28/2017 1:11:24 AM EST

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Stick a 105 howitzer on a Stryker.

Posted: 7/28/2017 1:35:41 AM EST

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Stick a 105 howitzer on a Stryker.

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Posted: 7/28/2017 1:46:31 AM EST

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That actually looks like a nice lightweight system that might be pretty cost effective. Maybe for light infantry units or Marines?

Posted: 7/28/2017 1:49:09 AM EST

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It's all fine and dandy in that clean configuration,
but what happens when you add Camo poles/net.

Oh and lets not forget TA-50, a roll Concertina Wire etc.etc..etc...

Watch the time be 10 to 15 minutes.

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Looks like all they can do is hip shoots.

Posted: 7/28/2017 1:52:53 AM EST

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That actually looks like a nice lightweight system that might be pretty cost effective. Maybe for light infantry units or Marines?

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Look up the DENEL G7.

Posted: 7/28/2017 6:54:05 AM EST

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Just bring back the recoiless rifle already.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:05:07 AM EST

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So the Army is getting its own technicals?

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Posted: 7/28/2017 7:23:27 AM EST

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What happens after three minutes?

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They are out of onboard ammo.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:32:01 AM EST

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So the humvee is good with the weight of all that?

How would the humvee hold up to the recoil after a time?

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:32:55 AM EST

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I think the Army experimented with the Russian Vasilek, 82 mm auto mortar on a hmmwv:

Currently being used in Syria:
2b9m-vasilek-automatic-mortar-in-service-with-ansar-al-sham-in-syria

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:33:34 AM EST

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It was the first thing I thought of.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:34:39 AM EST

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Counterbattery.

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What happens after three minutes?

Counterbattery.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:38:31 AM EST

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This is something a bit different...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrZ6RxBhma0

Something like that would probably prove pretty useful in our light infantry direct support artillery battalions if we ever went to war against an enemy with modern equipment.

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Anyone know if that was R41? That initial scene looked really familiar (15 years later

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Posted: 7/28/2017 7:39:23 AM EST

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Great concept for SOF light raid organizations if you need organic fire support heavier than 81s. We barreled around with wheeled HIMARS (vice heavy tracked MLRS).

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:39:56 AM EST

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120mm mortars are making the 105mm howitzer obsolete as an indirect fire weapon.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:47:42 AM EST

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My Dad would have liked that in Vietnam as a 13B.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:47:57 AM EST

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That frame has to be twisted after '3 minutes'.

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Looks like the outriggers handle the shock pretty well to me.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:55:22 AM EST

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What happens after three minutes?

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You had better not be in that same spot after 2 minutes. Counter mortar radar you know.

Posted: 7/28/2017 7:58:36 AM EST

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This is something a bit different...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrZ6RxBhma0

Something like that would probably prove pretty useful in our light infantry direct support artillery battalions if we ever went to war against an enemy with modern equipment.

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Just think,of the applications as direct fire in urban settings, particularly against terrorist/insurgents who lack counter battery capability.

The Iraqis could have used a couple of dozen of them in The Old City of Mosul. The collateral damage would be the same, but the fight would have been shortened by months. And I realize there were civilians trapped there, but fuck them, they should have fought ISIS' advance in 2014.

Posted: 7/28/2017 8:24:21 AM EST

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Just think,of the applications as direct fire in urban settings, particularly against terrorist/insurgents who lack counter battery capability.

The Iraqis could have used a couple of dozen of them in The Old City of Mosul. The collateral damage would be the same, but the fight would have been shortened by months. And I realize there were civilians trapped there, but fuck them, they should have fought ISIS' advance in 2014.

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This is something a bit different...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrZ6RxBhma0

Something like that would probably prove pretty useful in our light infantry direct support artillery battalions if we ever went to war against an enemy with modern equipment.

Just think,of the applications as direct fire in urban settings, particularly against terrorist/insurgents who lack counter battery capability.

The Iraqis could have used a couple of dozen of them in The Old City of Mosul. The collateral damage would be the same, but the fight would have been shortened by months. And I realize there were civilians trapped there, but fuck them, they should have fought ISIS' advance in 2014.

That hmmwv looks too naked to be engaging in direct fire contests. I'm thinking a light armored weapon system would be superior in an urban setting. Didn't LAVs and BFVs work pretty well?

Posted: 7/28/2017 8:43:24 AM EST

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What happens after three minutes?

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Return fire.

Posted: 7/28/2017 9:00:47 AM EST

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Return fire.

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Also may be the gun can't sustain that rate due to heat

Posted: 7/28/2017 9:03:46 AM EST

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is that an NFA item and will i need a tax stamp?

Posted: 7/28/2017 9:13:04 AM EST

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I think someone is trying to find a use for all the HMMWVs collecting dust in depots.

Posted: 7/28/2017 4:04:27 PM EST

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How to count the wrongs? So many.
1) if you are basing it off the hmmwv platform, you are already obsolete. The hmmwv is on the way out. You can debate the merits of its replacement all you want, but basing a system off that platform is stupid.
2) for as many beneficial reasons as 105mm platform has, its pretty clear 155mm is the platform going forward. Having played with both, I think it's the right COA. Come to me with a 105mm platform that is precision capable and can outrage the standard Russian 2s3 or 2s19 and I will reconsider. Bonus points if you can magic the 105 to get the same effects as the 155.
3) Motivational video fail. If the canonneer can see the target, there is already a very serious problem.

Posted: 7/28/2017 4:10:46 PM EST

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These have been seeing a lot of use in Syria and Iraq vs IS and have been used in Mali and Afghanistan as well.

Sweden went with a commercial Volvo dump truck to carry their current Archer 155 SPH

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_En-sxfOkXP8/S7C7DphveMI/AAAAAAAAFMY/mH1eMXoS8Kk/s400/Archer_DID.jpg

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The archer system has a lot of benefits, depending on what you are asking for in an artillery platform. It replaces and displaces very quickly and requires a very small crew. Great for smaller militaries in eastern Europe or that place their fires goals on speed over accuracy.