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Posted: 11/15/2011 5:22:24 AM EST
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Someone dicked with that feed ramp. Someone. I just checked mine after reading this, it looks the same as the older barrel. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 5:44:34 AM EST
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Place holder.
My little bro has a Gen 3(???) G20. I'll post pics in a little while. 
Here are the pics: 
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Posted: 11/15/2011 5:47:58 AM EST
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Someone dicked with that feed ramp. Someone. I just checked mine after reading this, it looks the same as the older barrel. CAN YOU PLEASE POST A PICTURE??? It would kill half of the static in this thread. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:11:41 AM EST
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Blah. Ok ill do the long reply. Ive been following the 10mm since about 87 ish. It was originally a hot hot round. Minimal feed ramps to support the rear of the cartridge. After the FBI tested the round and felt it was too much it started to get download to 40 smith levels or just a bit above. It was a lot less stout that it used to be. With this lighter loading about (90 ish) feed ramps opened up to improve feeding ability with big ashtray bullets. So thats where you come in. a very generous ramp and port job from the factory.
Starting about 2000 ish there is a resurgence of people playing with the 10mm and wanting it back to proper hot levels. Many manufacturers start making hot loads for users, not as OMG hot as some of the old old norma loads, but still hot. So you start getting failures in glocks with the super open ramps like you have. So at the time the barrel was within spec. and OP next time get a Ransom rest for your testing. it will save your hands.  Would you mind sending me a few of the fired double tap brass. Ill get some thicknesses and compare them to some 87 vintage brass I have.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:18:35 AM EST
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You are not being realistic if you actually believe that a steel framed firearm is going to come apart with as much or more force and violence than a plastic firearm will. Plastic firearms fare far worse and I'm sure you realize that, plastic tends to break while steel tends to bend and IF a firearm is going to kB in my hand I'd rather it were steel to minimize the damage. I stated it in the beginning and I stand by it, the 10mm belongs in a steel framed firearm, DoubleTap ammo may or may not be the culprit here in the OP's kB, the feed ramp does look suspect but either way, a steel framed firearm would have most certainly contained the kB much better than a plastic framed Glock... Early Delta's did have some issues with frame rail cracks which was corrected and I don't recall DT ammo even being available during that time period. I'm not hearing of cracking issues with current Delta's, DT ammo or not. If someone wants to run nuclear grade 10mm ammo that's great, go have at it, but don't be surprised when a polymer gun that features a partially unsupported chamber comes apart more violently than a steel gun... 1. It doesn't matter if the frame was plastic or steel. 2. It doesn't have anything to do with double tap ammo (go up and read my post above) 3. The feed ramp *IS* the issue on the Glock. This was and remains a liability in the Glock pistol. 4. The Glock is fine with a properly supported aftermarket barrel. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:21:02 AM EST
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40/200/1000 If you know the meaning of the numbers, you are probably gtg. I like 45/200/950 myself. 10/200/1200 Those are the oem figures for 10mm. In my glock - with 1/2" shorter barrel, I run 10/200/1240 Thousands of rounds- KKM barrel with good support around the case - not a problem! |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:23:49 AM EST
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But I thought....
Never mind. Glad you didn't get seriously hurt. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:26:32 AM EST
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I had a nasty blister like that on my hand from a saiga 12 slamfire. If it's the same sort of impact injury, it likely mushed up the muscle under the blister pretty good and you'll be able to feel softness there for several months.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:33:00 AM EST
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so you put back in a barrel that was unsupported, and knowing that fired it? WOW just WOW.. I never claimed to be a rocket surgeon. 
Hey, that barrel worked fine every other time. And the first round didn't show any bulge at all. /facepalm Folks a word of caution, when your brass come out all messed up get the gun to a smith, and have it fixed. Don't keep shooting it.  Not a do it yourself project
Glad your 'mostly ' OK. Could have been worse.
And Good thing no one was next to you might have taken out an innocent bystander
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:33:22 AM EST
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not my pic
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:38:43 AM EST
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Thank you for explaining all of this.
Well Done. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:44:54 AM EST
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Someone dicked with that feed ramp. Someone. This. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:58:58 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense.
I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:02:09 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. 
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:09:24 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. familiar, for a newbie. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:28:34 AM EST
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Tag for later, I'll pull the barrel out of my G20 and see what it looks like. OP, can you post the first part of your serial number?
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:30:29 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. Instant winner of the ignore list Olympics.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:33:12 AM EST
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Darn good job documenting it. Yes , indeed . That's the largest picture I've ever seen of an empty case , fugged or not .
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:55:10 AM EST
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And a 4th post as evidence his barrel wasn't dremeled...
This is from my 2nd Gen 20 that is still NIB and unfired. SN starts with BKU- around 1995 born on date. http://i40.tinypic.com/1zlzqqg.jpg |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:59:41 AM EST
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Someone dicked with that feed ramp. Someone. This.  despite evidence to the contrary, this will continue to be said.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:03:17 AM EST
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Blah. Ok ill do the long reply. Ive been following the 10mm since about 87 ish. It was originally a hot hot round. Minimal feed ramps to support the rear of the cartridge. After the FBI tested the round and felt it was too much it started to get download to 40 smith levels or just a bit above. It was a lot less stout that it used to be. With this lighter loading about (90 ish) feed ramps opened up to improve feeding ability with big ashtray bullets. So thats where you come in. a very generous ramp and port job from the factory. Starting about 2000 ish there is a resurgence of people playing with the 10mm and wanting it back to proper hot levels. Many manufacturers start making hot loads for users, not as OMG hot as some of the old old norma loads, but still hot. So you start getting failures in glocks with the super open ramps like you have. So at the time the barrel was within spec. and OP next time get a Ransom rest for your testing. it will save your hands. Would you mind sending me a few of the fired double tap brass. Ill get some thicknesses and compare them to some 87 vintage brass I have.I only squeezed off two rounds at the range Monday. The first spent case is going back to Glock for part of their evaluation. The second case is stuck in the gun. I can inertia-pull some loaded rounds and send them to you if you like. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:14:08 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. Did you even read the thread? I NEVER blamed Glock. I NEVER blamed Double Tap. I fully accepted the blame for the accident, even though there is plenty of evidence that the barrel came from the factory in the condition it was in. I also remind you I had convinced myself the bulges I had seen in my brass was caused by bullet set-back, and I was attempting to prove it. The reason for me believing this was possible was because of a guy experiencing bulges in brass fired from his Colt Delta Elite. He proved his bullets were getting pushed into the case. It completely explained why the severety of the bulges appeared to be random when brass was collected. I had no evidence suggesting the chamber was unsafe except for the bulges. I'm not defending my stupidity. Just explaining it. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:18:09 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. One Jack-Off to ignoredom. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:19:39 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: so you put back in a barrel that was unsupported, and knowing that fired it? WOW just WOW.. Do you even know what you are talking about? Not sure if serious. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:22:34 AM EST
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Blah. Ok ill do the long reply. Ive been following the 10mm since about 87 ish. It was originally a hot hot round. Minimal feed ramps to support the rear of the cartridge. After the FBI tested the round and felt it was too much it started to get download to 40 smith levels or just a bit above. It was a lot less stout that it used to be. With this lighter loading about (90 ish) feed ramps opened up to improve feeding ability with big ashtray bullets. So thats where you come in. a very generous ramp and port job from the factory. Starting about 2000 ish there is a resurgence of people playing with the 10mm and wanting it back to proper hot levels. Many manufacturers start making hot loads for users, not as OMG hot as some of the old old norma loads, but still hot. So you start getting failures in glocks with the super open ramps like you have. So at the time the barrel was within spec. and OP next time get a Ransom rest for your testing. it will save your hands. Would you mind sending me a few of the fired double tap brass. Ill get some thicknesses and compare them to some 87 vintage brass I have.I only squeezed off two rounds at the range Monday. The first spent case is going back to Glock for part of their evaluation. The second case is stuck in the gun. I can inertia-pull some loaded rounds and send them to you if you like. that will work.. and send one loaded Ill run it threw my colt with ransom rest.. on the ones you pull weigh the charge. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:25:35 AM EST
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Blah. Ok ill do the long reply. Ive been following the 10mm since about 87 ish. It was originally a hot hot round. Minimal feed ramps to support the rear of the cartridge. After the FBI tested the round and felt it was too much it started to get download to 40 smith levels or just a bit above. It was a lot less stout that it used to be. With this lighter loading about (90 ish) feed ramps opened up to improve feeding ability with big ashtray bullets. So thats where you come in. a very generous ramp and port job from the factory. Starting about 2000 ish there is a resurgence of people playing with the 10mm and wanting it back to proper hot levels. Many manufacturers start making hot loads for users, not as OMG hot as some of the old old norma loads, but still hot. So you start getting failures in glocks with the super open ramps like you have. So at the time the barrel was within spec. and OP next time get a Ransom rest for your testing. it will save your hands. Would you mind sending me a few of the fired double tap brass. Ill get some thicknesses and compare them to some 87 vintage brass I have.I only squeezed off two rounds at the range Monday. The first spent case is going back to Glock for part of their evaluation. The second case is stuck in the gun. I can inertia-pull some loaded rounds and send them to you if you like. that will work.. and send one loaded Ill run it threw my colt with ransom rest.. on the ones you pull weigh the charge. PM me your address. I'll try to get it out today when I ship the gun to Glock. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:30:15 AM EST
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Quoted: Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. Go choke yourself troll. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:41:55 AM EST
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Blah. Ok ill do the long reply. Ive been following the 10mm since about 87 ish. It was originally a hot hot round. Minimal feed ramps to support the rear of the cartridge. After the FBI tested the round and felt it was too much it started to get download to 40 smith levels or just a bit above. It was a lot less stout that it used to be. With this lighter loading about (90 ish) feed ramps opened up to improve feeding ability with big ashtray bullets. So thats where you come in. a very generous ramp and port job from the factory. Starting about 2000 ish there is a resurgence of people playing with the 10mm and wanting it back to proper hot levels. Many manufacturers start making hot loads for users, not as OMG hot as some of the old old norma loads, but still hot. So you start getting failures in glocks with the super open ramps like you have. So at the time the barrel was within spec. and OP next time get a Ransom rest for your testing. it will save your hands. Would you mind sending me a few of the fired double tap brass. Ill get some thicknesses and compare them to some 87 vintage brass I have.I only squeezed off two rounds at the range Monday. The first spent case is going back to Glock for part of their evaluation. The second case is stuck in the gun. I can inertia-pull some loaded rounds and send them to you if you like. that will work.. and send one loaded Ill run it threw my colt with ransom rest.. on the ones you pull weigh the charge. PM me your address. I'll try to get it out today when I ship the gun to Glock. Sent. besides the under support in the chamber. it might be the case where the brass is a bit thinner in the web, due to newer production designs. Ill compare the thicknesses. Don't worry same thing happens when you try to shoot a 45 super load data in a 45 ACP chamber with 45 ACP brass. 45 super brass is made from cut down 06. much thicker web on the case. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:44:15 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Good to see you will heal up fine. Sorry about your gun though. Does Glock offer any kind of warranty for something like that ? I'll send it to Glock for them to evaluate, but I don't expect them to do anything. I had every opportunity to avoid the accident. Like trading in that grenade for an XD.  |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:47:50 AM EST
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All the DT 10mm rounds I have shot used Starline brass.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 9:14:08 AM EST
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I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event.... Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. Shouldn't a cop from northern Kaliforinia be sticking a foot up someone's ass at this point? |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 9:25:43 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. I wonder where the term "Glock Bulge" and 'Glock Kaboom" came from.... The guy saw something and tested it. Scientific method and all... I see a Pit Thread in your future... |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 10:57:23 AM EST
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And a 4th post as evidence his barrel wasn't dremeled... This is from my 2nd Gen 20 that is still NIB and unfired. SN starts with BKU- around 1995 born on date. http://i40.tinypic.com/1zlzqqg.jpg Thanks for posting but if the idiots that keep saying it didn't read the other posts they are not going to look at yours. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 11:08:53 AM EST
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Ouch.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 11:11:20 AM EST
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Thank you for posting this detailed report of your stupidity. I am amazed at the lack of caution and common sense. I have to say I'm sorry that you were not more seriously injured in this event, and hope that maybe now you will return the gun to glock of repairs. It should hurt to do something you know is inherently wrong and dangerous and I hope more people learn from your lesson Anyone that blames glock for this is just as stupid as you are. It's just stunning that you refused to send it in for work then expected a different result shooting it a second time. Stunning. Given the number of COC violations in one post, I move that you be BANNED!! Do we have a second? |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 11:20:55 AM EST
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Seconded.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 11:41:45 AM EST
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All in favor say "Aye".
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Posted: 11/15/2011 11:47:35 AM EST
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Quoted: All in favor say "Aye". Oh just lock the fucking thread and get rid of ALL you trolls already... |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 12:19:15 PM EST
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Aye! |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 12:31:08 PM EST
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motion carried, closed!
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Posted: 11/15/2011 1:08:10 PM EST
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All in favor say "Aye".  !
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Posted: 11/15/2011 1:53:17 PM EST
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Good to see you will heal up fine. Sorry about your gun though. Does Glock offer any kind of warranty for something like that ? I'll send it to Glock for them to evaluate, but I don't expect them to do anything. I had every opportunity to avoid the accident. Like trading in that grenade for an XD.
Very funny, smartass.
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Posted: 11/15/2011 1:54:04 PM EST
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All the DT 10mm rounds I have shot used Starline brass. I always considered Starline to be reputable stuff. How would you know? All of mine says DOUBLE TAP on the case head instead of starline. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 2:10:49 PM EST
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Just got back from UPS a bit ago.
Of course handguns have to be shipped overnight. And it was getting a late start. So it will go from Iowa to Georgia in 17 hours. Impressive. But $89. Damn. I'll post updates as I get them. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 2:14:08 PM EST
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All the DT 10mm rounds I have shot used Starline brass. I always considered Starline to be reputable stuff. How would you know? All of mine says DOUBLE TAP on the case head instead of starline. they make brass to order and put any head stamp on them.. I have some old old midway brass thats made by starline (its good stuff). I got your message and when i get the samples Il post my findings, back here.. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 2:16:18 PM EST
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Just got back from UPS a bit ago. Of course handguns have to be shipped overnight. And it was getting a late start. So it will go from Iowa to Georgia in 17 hours. Impressive. But $89. Damn. I'll post updates as I get them. I see someone hasn't learned to print out your own label yet. 
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Posted: 11/15/2011 2:23:48 PM EST
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Just got back from UPS a bit ago. Of course handguns have to be shipped overnight. And it was getting a late start. So it will go from Iowa to Georgia in 17 hours. Impressive. But $89. Damn. I'll post updates as I get them. I see someone hasn't learned to print out your own label yet. WTF? Can I print out a label that says $5.00 and they'll honor it? |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 3:28:47 PM EST
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Just got back from UPS a bit ago. Of course handguns have to be shipped overnight. And it was getting a late start. So it will go from Iowa to Georgia in 17 hours. Impressive. But $89. Damn. I'll post updates as I get them. I see someone hasn't learned to print out your own label yet. WTF? Can I print out a label that says $5.00 and they'll honor it? Only if you put something like 'machine parts' on the label instead of telling them it's a pistol and ship it ground. Of course, if it gets stolen by their thieving employees you're SOL. The whole point of having to ship handguns next day air is to avoid internal theft. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 3:32:34 PM EST
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Just got back from UPS a bit ago. Of course handguns have to be shipped overnight. And it was getting a late start. So it will go from Iowa to Georgia in 17 hours. Impressive. But $89. Damn. I'll post updates as I get them. I see someone hasn't learned to print out your own label yet. WTF? Can I print out a label that says $5.00 and they'll honor it? Only if you put something like 'machine parts' on the label instead of telling them it's a pistol and ship it ground. Of course, if it gets stolen by their thieving employees you're SOL. The whole point of having to ship handguns next day air is to avoid internal theft. I thought it was law. Displaying my ignorance again in this thread. 
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Posted: 11/15/2011 3:54:09 PM EST
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Fascinating thread.
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