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Posted: 11/20/2017 4:52:42 PM EDT
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan. His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie. 
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Posted: 11/20/2017 4:55:47 PM EDT
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Sure, I remember him. He was killed during a prison riot, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan. His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 5:05:52 PM EDT
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Just put the book on CD on inter library loan. Don't have the eyesight to read much.
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Posted: 11/20/2017 5:39:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have written and read enough AARs to understand the difference between what is written and what is reality. Hey, maybe it did happen. But as I wasn't there and embellishing stories is old hat I'm in the disbelief mode. I am sure its more factual than American Sniper/Zero Dark Thirty/Lone Survivor, FWIW 
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Posted: 11/20/2017 6:11:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well for what it is worth I just messaged Mark to see if he actually fired his M4 (in full auto) from a moving horse like Chris Hemsworth is doing in the trailer |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 2:53:49 AM EDT
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just saw the trailer , looks pretty good, checked the library and have it on hold, i'll pick it up tomorrow , so kind of a bump , better than duping it.
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Posted: 12/25/2017 7:09:22 PM EDT
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Damn, between this and the new Entebbe movie this year is looking good.
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Posted: 1/21/2018 2:36:38 AM EDT
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@Sylvan
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I have written and read enough AARs to understand the difference between what is written and what is reality. Hey, maybe it did happen. But as I wasn't there and embellishing stories is old hat I'm in the disbelief mode. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 2:43:20 AM EDT
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Little-known fact: After 9/11, the US Border Patrol was contacted by DoD. They wanted BP to train soldiers on how to patrol on horseback, and how to run pack mules. BP on the northern border routinely ran strings of pack mules for extended patrols of the border. A whole bunch of special forces types ended up with BP agents in California, Arizona, and Washington state for the training. I didn't participate, but several of my good friends related stories to me later. They said that to a man, those guys were hard core seriously good dudes. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 3:02:13 AM EDT
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan. His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 3:26:38 AM EDT
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Marine Corps runs a pack mule school in northern Cali IIRC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Little-known fact: After 9/11, the US Border Patrol was contacted by DoD. They wanted BP to train soldiers on how to patrol on horseback, and how to run pack mules. BP on the northern border routinely ran strings of pack mules for extended patrols of the border. A whole bunch of special forces types ended up with BP agents in California, Arizona, and Washington state for the training. I didn't participate, but several of my good friends related stories to me later. They said that to a man, those guys were hard core seriously good dudes. Right off 108 about 2 miles west of 395. Killer back packing country. Kind of looks like a ski resort from a distance, although I'm sure the guys there don't look at it that way. Maybe the ski resort of pain. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 3:39:36 AM EDT
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Is it true that their medic's horse slipped and fell on the medic, breaking his back, so he shot himself full of morphine and continued on to fight?
If so, that guy should have received an award for biggest balls. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:25:45 AM EDT
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Is it true that their medic's horse slipped and fell on the medic, breaking his back, so he shot himself full of morphine and continued on to fight? If so, that guy should have received an award for biggest balls. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:28:55 AM EDT
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Thank you. I couldn’t remember his name. This was early on in the war and I forgot they went in to question Lindh. I’ll have to re read the book sometime. Robert’s Ridge is also another good book from early in the fighting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan. His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:29:50 AM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. Funny thing about groups of men like this. No one gives a damn about race, creed, color or any of the other diversionary crap the media wants you to believe. If you can earn your keep, you’re respected. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:51:59 AM EDT
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Doesn't the USMC operate a school for training troops in the handling of pack mules...northern California near their Mountain Sniper training area?
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:54:43 AM EDT
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Here is an actual photo of the team.
AFGHANISTAN 11.03.2001 Photo by Maj. Melody Faulkenberry United States Army Special Operations Command Original Horse Soldier Photos (U.S. Army Courtesy Photo) 
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:57:20 AM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:59:39 AM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. 
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Posted: 1/21/2018 11:02:06 AM EDT
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Just ordered my copy, also ordered Lions of Kandahar.
I have not read a mil book since Lone Survivor a few years back, still have not seen the film of the same name, though I have the DVD in my collection. I have a quirk that ( sometimes ) keeps me from watching military films based on recent true events, LS is one of them. Also it took me a little over 10 years to watch BlackHawk Down after reading the book way back when. I have a soft spot for the Men in Special Ops, they are truly a rare breed. I have more respect for them than anyone the world over. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 11:23:49 AM EDT
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Jesus man Learn how to spell Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Calvary charge with M4s. A wet dream  Learn how to spell 
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Posted: 1/21/2018 11:25:22 AM EDT
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I have written and read enough AARs to understand the difference between what is written and what is reality. Hey, maybe it did happen. But as I wasn't there and embellishing stories is old hat I'm in the disbelief mode. I am sure its more factual than American Sniper/Zero Dark Thirty/Lone Survivor, FWIW Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: On October 21, the Northern Alliance sought to capture the village of Bishqab, which would help them gain a foothold to eventually move on to more strategic settlements and begin regaining control of Afghanistan. The attack would require a charge by the Northern Alliance’s 1,500 cavalry and 1,500 light infantry across a mile-wide plain marked by ridges, which would expose the forces to enemy fire: Bishqab was fortified with tanks, cannons, machine guns, anti-aircraft guns, mines, RPGs and mortars. The attack by the Northern Alliance seemed suicidal, despite air support from US forces. However, due perhaps to the speed of the cavalry, the second line of horsemen succeeded in taking the Taliban trenches with the enemy fleeing. A second, larger attack the next day at Cobaki nearly saw the Northern Alliance fail; it was at this point that members of the Special Forces themselves charged into battle on horseback to aid General Dostum. This reinforcement turned the tide and the Northern Alliance took the day. Captain Nutsch emailed a report including a line that has since become famous: "I am advising a man on how to best employ light infantry and horse cavalry in the attack against Taliban T-55s, mortars, artillery, personnel carriers, and machine guns – a tactic which I think became outdated with the invention of the Gatling gun." Hey, maybe it did happen. But as I wasn't there and embellishing stories is old hat I'm in the disbelief mode. I am sure its more factual than American Sniper/Zero Dark Thirty/Lone Survivor, FWIW
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Posted: 1/21/2018 5:12:56 PM EDT
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There are two threads on this now. I read the book over Christmas and enjoyed the movie. There were certainly some dramatic embellishments, notably the named Taliban guy and the relationship between Nelson and Dostum bit I recognise the need for those.
All in all a decent movie, especially the lack of hair gel. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 5:49:53 PM EDT
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No but there is a swim test. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There aren't any black guys in SF, every .mil guy knows that.... Probably a regulation or something. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 5:57:56 PM EDT
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Marine Corps runs a pack mule school in northern Cali IIRC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Little-known fact: After 9/11, the US Border Patrol was contacted by DoD. They wanted BP to train soldiers on how to patrol on horseback, and how to run pack mules. BP on the northern border routinely ran strings of pack mules for extended patrols of the border. A whole bunch of special forces types ended up with BP agents in California, Arizona, and Washington state for the training. I didn't participate, but several of my good friends related stories to me later. They said that to a man, those guys were hard core seriously good dudes. I'm looking forward to seeing the movie. |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 8:55:30 AM EDT
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I just saw the movie this weekend.
I did not read the book. yet. It was darn good and action packed. Was it perfectly accurate? Don't know and don't care as long as they don't change the character of the people involved. I understand having to make a movie interesting to a big audience. An exactly accurate, true to life movie of most events would be BORING and not enough to get audience attention for the entire movie. This movie was very good and action filled. It does honor to those men that represent the United States of America and it's military in so many difficult times and places. Go see it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 9:15:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a good match for movies. Charging tanks on horseback at gallop while firing my M4 under one shoulder. Seems legit. They did actually ride in against machine gun, mortars and artillery on horseback though. According to the book. |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 9:18:51 AM EDT
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Its funny, because it is true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: There aren't any black guys in SF, every .mil guy knows that.... Probably a regulation or something. “Because most can’t swim!” Lol Dude is a character. |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 9:19:13 AM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. lol wat? |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 9:19:53 AM EDT
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan. His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie. |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 9:21:26 AM EDT
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I just listened to the audible book it was 16+ hours and very good. made my commute go by very fast.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 9:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks, I may have to read that. I saw the movie and enjoyed it but some of the battles didn't make sense. I figured a book would give the missing detail that a movie director would skip in favor of action.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 10:29:14 AM EDT
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Jesus man Learn how to spell Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Calvary charge with M4s. A wet dream Learn how to spell |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 10:30:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you're the guy with the beard? that should help narrow it down. And you didn't ride a MI-17. You rode a horse. And charged the Taliban tank divisions. firing your M855 (262 won't penetrate T55 armor) at them. because that totally happened. |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 10:45:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2018 12:37:19 AM EDT
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan. His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Battle-of-Qala-i-Jangi-began-16-years-ago-today-and-Johnny-Michael-Spann-was-KIA/5-2055232/ |
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