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Posted: 7/18/2019 5:43:23 PM EDT
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People here will try to convince you that if you were on a deserted island and stopped eating that your body would eat all of your muscles first and that you’d be just a blob of fat. That would be some horrible evolution if that’s the case. There’s too many stupid catch phrases in weight loss that are a lie like “starvation mode” and people are too gullible to actually think about it. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 6:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: YoU cAn’T lOsE wEiGhT iN tHe GyM!!! And losing weight is dumb. Losing fat is the way to go. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 6:05:13 PM EDT
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I was.doing 600 to 800 a dwy for a couple months. Lost 45 lbs. Now im a fatty again. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 6:12:21 PM EDT
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Look on the bright side. I'd murder a loved one with a rusty spoon to be 200 lbs.  ..............................
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Posted: 7/18/2019 6:23:51 PM EDT
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You can but it's an awful way to accomplish the goal. And losing weight is dumb. Losing fat is the way to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: YoU cAn’T lOsE wEiGhT iN tHe GyM!!! And losing weight is dumb. Losing fat is the way to go. And yes. Weight loss doesn’t matter as much as body composition. People on both ends focus too much on raw weight numbers and not enough on fat/LBM numbers. Subjective opinion time: 1) No one cares if you’re lean but a scrawny bitch. 2) No one cares if you’re strong but a waddly muffin-topped fatass. That’s my personal bias. I want to carry as much muscle as I can and still be sub-teen bf%. Other people have different fitness priorities, and that’s fine too. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 6:32:56 PM EDT
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I go to the gym so I can eat Twinkie’s and ice cream.
6’5, 213lbs I have an awesome balance of ice cream everyday and ab workouts 5 times a week. It works! |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 7:43:14 PM EDT
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The funniest part about keto people are how much they push their diet like its the only thing out there. Im not saying it doesnt work, but there are other options out there. Its like they have to convince others to jump on the wagon to justify their own decisions. Its like crossfit. You do you boo boo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yep. No question that's what we said. Let's face it, the anti keto crowd is just pissy about the fact the the keto people dont do things like 5x5, or Spartan races, or CrossFit comps. All they did was not stuff their faces with shitty carbs, eat bacon, not exercise, yet lose tons of weight. You are right about the you do you part though. Cross fitter shitting on ketosexuals... Lol.... |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 7:48:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Results are funny then? I'm not here to convince anyone of shit. I am here to share experience, knowledge and opinions. Let's face it, the anti keto crowd is just pissy about the fact the the keto people dont do things like 5x5, or Spartan races, or CrossFit comps. All they did was not stuff their faces with shitty carbs, eat bacon, not exercise, yet lose tons of weight. You are right about the you do you part though. Cross fitter shitting on ketosexuals... Lol.... 
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Results are funny then? I'm not here to convince anyone of shit. I am here to share experience, knowledge and opinions. Let's face it, the anti keto crowd is just pissy about the fact the the keto people dont do things like 5x5, or Spartan races, or CrossFit comps. All they did was not stuff their faces with shitty carbs, eat bacon, not exercise, yet lose tons of weight. You are right about the you do you part though. Cross fitter shitting on ketosexuals... Lol.... Would you be surprised to know others have had success with things besides Keto? Only Keto people get so butthurt when other options are mentioned. It’s funny. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:23:46 PM EDT
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Oh no. I've done 5x5, Spartan race and i am in keto right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Results are funny then? I'm not here to convince anyone of shit. I am here to share experience, knowledge and opinions. Let's face it, the anti keto crowd is just pissy about the fact the the keto people dont do things like 5x5, or Spartan races, or CrossFit comps. All they did was not stuff their faces with shitty carbs, eat bacon, not exercise, yet lose tons of weight. You are right about the you do you part though. Cross fitter shitting on ketosexuals... Lol.... |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:28:03 PM EDT
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I lost 40 lbs in a couple of months with keto and 16/8 intermittent fasting. But I was still eating close to 2000 calories and almost never felt hungry.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:31:18 PM EDT
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Oh no. I've done 5x5, Spartan race and i am in keto right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Results are funny then? I'm not here to convince anyone of shit. I am here to share experience, knowledge and opinions. Let's face it, the anti keto crowd is just pissy about the fact the the keto people dont do things like 5x5, or Spartan races, or CrossFit comps. All they did was not stuff their faces with shitty carbs, eat bacon, not exercise, yet lose tons of weight. You are right about the you do you part though. Cross fitter shitting on ketosexuals... Lol.... Still running 5/3/1 BBB Doing another Spartan this weekend, and this is like my 8th race this year.
It is going to be 100 degrees and I'm going die on this race. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:33:21 PM EDT
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Yeah, but you're on PEDs. Which is completely different than trying to do high intensity training on keto as a natty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Results are funny then? I'm not here to convince anyone of shit. I am here to share experience, knowledge and opinions. Let's face it, the anti keto crowd is just pissy about the fact the the keto people dont do things like 5x5, or Spartan races, or CrossFit comps. All they did was not stuff their faces with shitty carbs, eat bacon, not exercise, yet lose tons of weight. You are right about the you do you part though. Cross fitter shitting on ketosexuals... Lol.... 
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:41:51 PM EDT
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This thread shows yet again that, for whatever reason, fitness threads (particularly any time the word “keto” is introduced) always get very emotional.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:46:56 PM EDT
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This thread shows yet again that, for whatever reason, fitness threads (particularly any time the word “keto” is introduced) always get very emotional. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:52:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can but it's an awful way to accomplish the goal. And losing weight is dumb. Losing fat is the way to go. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:59:11 PM EDT
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How many fat people came out of a concentration camp. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:02:06 PM EDT
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How many fat people came out of a concentration camp. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:08:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can but it's an awful way to accomplish the goal. And losing weight is dumb. Losing fat is the way to go. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:12:01 PM EDT
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I lost 40 lbs in a couple of months with keto and 16/8 intermittent fasting. But I was still eating close to 2000 calories and almost never felt hungry. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s that emotional Keto investment we all love. Would you be surprised to know others have had success with things besides Keto? Only Keto people get so butthurt when other options are mentioned. It’s funny. Instead of being just a diet, it's turned into a lifestyle, an obsession, practically a religion. Keto people love to tell you they are on KETO. At its core, "keto" is just a diet that severely limits carbs, in favor of high levels of fat and protein. Cutting out easy sources of high calorie foods, people on keto eat more satiating foods, lowering their caloric intake, and thus losing fat. The overall energy balance is still at play, even if ketosis is present. This science is pretty settled on that. So, Keto is a viable tool for those who have problems with portion control and don't want to focus on counting calories. However, they at the same time can't eat 5000 calories of lard a day and expect to lose wight. The problem is introduced when those on KETO become so infatuated with it that it becomes the ONLY way to lose weight, and its the CURE for so many human ailments. Cancer, obesity, diabetes, ugliness. Grains and fruits become EVIL and that humans should ONLY be eating FAT AND PROTEIN. [Now patiently waiting for a ketobro to reply to me and tell me I'm wrong and keto is amazing and its the best thing since sliced bread (which you shouldn't eat)] |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:13:13 PM EDT
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How many fat people came out of a concentration camp. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:16:00 PM EDT
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It's always interesting when peoples biggest complaint about keto, is what they think peoples feelings are about keto being criticized, and not about the metabolic process itself reached through diet.
Like... you eat food, your body switches fuel tanks, and you lose fat... so what? It works, it's an understood scientific process. Yet, even in this thread, people are getting all shirty about "blah blah keto lovers" and come of with all sorts of emotional opinions, and logical fallacies about whatever attention they're seeking. Weird. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh no. I've done 5x5, Spartan race and i am in keto right now. not u damnit
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:46:41 PM EDT
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There’s that emotional Keto investment we all love. Would you be surprised to know others have had success with things besides Keto? Only Keto people get so butthurt when other options are mentioned. It’s funny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Results are funny then? I'm not here to convince anyone of shit. I am here to share experience, knowledge and opinions. Let's face it, the anti keto crowd is just pissy about the fact the the keto people dont do things like 5x5, or Spartan races, or CrossFit comps. All they did was not stuff their faces with shitty carbs, eat bacon, not exercise, yet lose tons of weight. You are right about the you do you part though. Cross fitter shitting on ketosexuals... Lol.... Would you be surprised to know others have had success with things besides Keto? Only Keto people get so butthurt when other options are mentioned. It’s funny.  Haterz gonna hate I guess.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:48:21 PM EDT
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Keto has basically turned into a cult for a lot of people. Instead of being just a diet, it's turned into a lifestyle, an obsession, practically a religion. Keto people love to tell you they are on KETO. At its core, "keto" is just a diet that severely limits carbs, in favor of high levels of fat and protein. Cutting out easy sources of high calorie foods, people on keto eat more satiating foods, lowering their caloric intake, and thus losing fat. The overall energy balance is still at play, even if ketosis is present. This science is pretty settled on that. So, Keto is a viable tool for those who have problems with portion control and don't want to focus on counting calories. However, they at the same time can't eat 5000 calories of lard a day and expect to lose wight. The problem is introduced when those on KETO become so infatuated with it that it becomes the ONLY way to lose weight, and its the CURE for so many human ailments. Cancer, obesity, diabetes, ugliness. Grains and fruits become EVIL and that humans should ONLY be eating FAT AND PROTEIN. [Now patiently waiting for a ketobro to reply to me and tell me I'm wrong and keto is amazing and its the best thing since sliced bread (which you shouldn't eat)] Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There’s that emotional Keto investment we all love. Would you be surprised to know others have had success with things besides Keto? Only Keto people get so butthurt when other options are mentioned. It’s funny. Instead of being just a diet, it's turned into a lifestyle, an obsession, practically a religion. Keto people love to tell you they are on KETO. At its core, "keto" is just a diet that severely limits carbs, in favor of high levels of fat and protein. Cutting out easy sources of high calorie foods, people on keto eat more satiating foods, lowering their caloric intake, and thus losing fat. The overall energy balance is still at play, even if ketosis is present. This science is pretty settled on that. So, Keto is a viable tool for those who have problems with portion control and don't want to focus on counting calories. However, they at the same time can't eat 5000 calories of lard a day and expect to lose wight. The problem is introduced when those on KETO become so infatuated with it that it becomes the ONLY way to lose weight, and its the CURE for so many human ailments. Cancer, obesity, diabetes, ugliness. Grains and fruits become EVIL and that humans should ONLY be eating FAT AND PROTEIN. [Now patiently waiting for a ketobro to reply to me and tell me I'm wrong and keto is amazing and its the best thing since sliced bread (which you shouldn't eat)] |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could drop 80lbs quick I could just cut off my legs, but I kind of need them. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:54:32 PM EDT
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It's always interesting when peoples biggest complaint about keto, is what they think peoples feelings are about keto being criticized, and not about the metabolic process itself reached through diet. Like... you eat food, your body switches fuel tanks, and you lose fat... so what? It works, it's an understood scientific process. Yet, even in this thread, people are getting all shirty about "blah blah keto lovers" and come of with all sorts of emotional opinions, and logical fallacies about whatever attention they're seeking. Weird. Now we return to our scheduled let's piss on the low carb crowd gang bang. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:22:03 PM EDT
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Or you could not shovel food down your throat and lose fat. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:25:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #leangainz |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:26:20 PM EDT
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Insulin doesn't care about feels. Nether does beta-hydroxybutyrate. Cortisol might, but tell that to the keto haters though..... Now we return to our scheduled let's piss on the low carb crowd gang bang. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's always interesting when peoples biggest complaint about keto, is what they think peoples feelings are about keto being criticized, and not about the metabolic process itself reached through diet. Like... you eat food, your body switches fuel tanks, and you lose fat... so what? It works, it's an understood scientific process. Yet, even in this thread, people are getting all shirty about "blah blah keto lovers" and come of with all sorts of emotional opinions, and logical fallacies about whatever attention they're seeking. Weird. Now we return to our scheduled let's piss on the low carb crowd gang bang. At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:27:29 PM EDT
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I've noticed people that hate on keto really only respond with shit about calories and carbs, but never what essential vitamins and nutrients large amounts of carbs are needed for, while also failing to understand either willfully, or ignorantly that you can eat carbs on keto... and probably SHOULD for the fiber (which doesn't count as carbs anyways). At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Insulin doesn't care about feels. Nether does beta-hydroxybutyrate. Cortisol might, but tell that to the keto haters though..... Now we return to our scheduled let's piss on the low carb crowd gang bang. I could not care less if someone uses low carb as a tool for fat loss. Just don't preach to the world on how woke you are that "keto" can solve all of the world's problems. Theres a difference between a ketobro and a keto dieter. Oh, and whats up with your insulin comment? |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:35:05 PM EDT
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At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:38:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but you're on PEDs. Which is completely different than trying to do high intensity training on keto as a natty. It's just hard to eat enough to build muscle though. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:39:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #metoo Still running 5/3/1 BBB Doing another Spartan this weekend, and this is like my 8th race this year.
It is going to be 100 degrees and I'm going die on this race. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keto has basically turned into a cult for a lot of people. Instead of being just a diet, it's turned into a lifestyle, an obsession, practically a religion. Keto people love to tell you they are on KETO. At its core, "keto" is just a diet that severely limits carbs, in favor of high levels of fat and protein. Cutting out easy sources of high calorie foods, people on keto eat more satiating foods, lowering their caloric intake, and thus losing fat. The overall energy balance is still at play, even if ketosis is present. This science is pretty settled on that. So, Keto is a viable tool for those who have problems with portion control and don't want to focus on counting calories. However, they at the same time can't eat 5000 calories of lard a day and expect to lose wight. The problem is introduced when those on KETO become so infatuated with it that it becomes the ONLY way to lose weight, and its the CURE for so many human ailments. Cancer, obesity, diabetes, ugliness. Grains and fruits become EVIL and that humans should ONLY be eating FAT AND PROTEIN. [Now patiently waiting for a ketobro to reply to me and tell me I'm wrong and keto is amazing and its the best thing since sliced bread (which you shouldn't eat)] 
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:44:42 PM EDT
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At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:45:02 PM EDT
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How does energy work again? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've noticed people that hate on keto really only respond with shit about calories and carbs, but never what essential vitamins and nutrients large amounts of carbs are needed for, while also failing to understand either willfully, or ignorantly that you can eat carbs on keto... and probably SHOULD for the fiber (which doesn't count as carbs anyways). At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:47:19 PM EDT
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Go take a biology class or something. 
Dude, just stop. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:48:05 PM EDT
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Bruh, that's a 12 pack. Maybe even less than a 12 pack.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:50:51 PM EDT
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Go take a biology class or something. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:52:51 PM EDT
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Dude, just stop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go take a biology class or something.
Dude, just stop. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:53:29 PM EDT
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I think he's referring to the calories being the same but the nutritional makeup of the two different foods being very different. You worded it poorly but I understood. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:56:06 PM EDT
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I didn't word it poorly, I'm paraphrasing what people say all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 10:57:35 PM EDT
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I didn't word it poorly, I'm paraphrasing what people say all the time. They legit push "if you eat 1500 calories and burn 1501 you'll lose weight from calorie deficiency" like that's the end all be all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least the "calories in calories out" people haven't shown up yet, I've yet to have them explain how 1500 calories of steak, eggs, bacon, milk and salad is the same as 1500 calories of carbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 11:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he’s referring to the calories being the same but the nutritional makeup of the two different foods being very different. You worded it poorly but I understood. Calories in calories out isn't about that, though. CICO says to eat a balanced diet and worry about your total energy intake vs outtake. The significance of this is that you don't have to completely change your diet, just eat less of the diet you already eat. The key to weight loss will ALWAYS be because of an energy balance. There is no getting around that fact. CICO works on energy balance, Keto works on energy balance, low fat/high carb works on energy balance; they all work for the exact same reason. What you eat to affect that energy equation is up to you. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 11:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like both sides of these arguments are a bit reductionist and frequently argue right past each other. For weight loss, calories are far and away the most important aspect of the discussion. This is *not*, however, to say that calories from differing macronutrients are interchangeable in terms of what they do for your body, whether in a caloric deficit or surplus. From the standpoint of energy, eating nothing but one macro would cause weight loss if there is an energy deficit. That is not to say that that is the healthiest option, because different macros do different things for the body. Eating extra protein, for example, in a deficit will help reduce the amount of LBM that you lose. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 11:10:49 PM EDT
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To lighten the mood, here's a good laugh for everyone.
 Why The Keto Diet Works - Calories Don't Count! |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 11:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Caloric restrictions utilizing only one single macro would cause weight loss but wouldn't be the healthiest option, exactly because of the nutritional makeup of each macro. Calories in calories out isn't about that, though. CICO says to eat a balanced diet and worry about your total energy intake vs outtake. The significance of this is that you don't have to completely change your diet, just eat less of the diet you already eat. The key to weight loss will ALWAYS be because of an energy balance. There is no getting around that fact. CICO works on energy balance, Keto works on energy balance, low fat/high carb works on energy balance; they all work for the exact same reason. What you eat to affect that energy equation is up to you. |
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