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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:39:28 AM EDT
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GD bUmP sToCkS dOnT MaTtEr!!!
 guess what, saying it doesnt matter opens the door for a ton of other bullshit you might actually care about. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:43:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a few more steps before you're a white republican voter...you've been red flagged. We are already “political terrorists” |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:43:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe part of my point is it was a Hobson's Choice. Either way, this was going to pass. Democrats didn't need a single Republican vote. They needed more than the 181 Dems who voted for it. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:43:44 AM EDT
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When are you all going to learn. No one is coming to help us we are on our own.
Gun owners are to Republicans what blacks are to Democrats. They think we are a reliable voting block for them. Time to change that don't you think? |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:55:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Did he hit his head recently? I thought he was far better than that! Glad that mine (Timmons) voted against it. But I could have seen him go along to get along just as easily, too Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't believe mine (Cawthorn) voted for it...  Wow. Did he hit his head recently? I thought he was far better than that! Glad that mine (Timmons) voted against it. But I could have seen him go along to get along just as easily, too I just watched Cawthorns Instagram video explaining his decision, and he basically broke it down that they had to pass it in its current state to stop military members from being dishonorably discharged for refusing the vaccine. Supposedly he had assurances that the red flag bullshit would be stripped out by the time it made it back to the house. I think he's full of shit, but he's been solid so far so I'll let things play out. If it makes it back to the house in its current form and they don't have the votes to stop it, I'm done with him. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When are you all going to learn. No one is coming to help us we are on our own. Gun owners are to Republicans what blacks are to Democrats. They think we are a reliable voting block for them. Time to change that don't you think? The time to change it was a long time ago. We have shown them over and over that there is absolutely no down side to supporting/passing gun control, and I don't see that changing. Wouldn't surprise me if they sit back and laugh at us. pataki: "I ran as pro gun for Governor, then when elected, pushed Republicans to pass a state AWB, which I then signed, and they still reelected me!". "And to top it off, any of the pro gun guys that bitched about it, got dogpiled by their own side!" (Insert Ray Liotta laughing here) How many times has the above played out of the years? |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:11:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD bUmP sToCkS dOnT MaTtEr!!! guess what, saying it doesnt matter opens the door for a ton of other bullshit you might actually care about. Yep. Too many couldn't see past their worship of the man, to see that it wasn't about the Bumpstocks, but the way it was done. Not like we haven't seen it play out before- democrats bring up gun control (or bigger government/more spending) and the pitchforks come out. Republicans do it, and the excuses come out. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:19:27 AM EDT
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The Republican party for politicians has conservatives, liberals and moderates. The Democrat party only allows leftist. Pretty much rigs the game.
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:22:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think elections matter anymore. The vote counters are in control. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If we cared about Freedom and Liberty, every one of those would get voted out... In reality, around 90% will be reelected.  I don't think elections matter anymore. The vote counters are in control. The real fraud is that they have controlled who the candidates are for the last century(likely much longer). It doesn’t matter who wins, the government will grow and the BOR will be eroded. There have been no exceptions to this rule in at-least the last 100 years. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:29:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real fraud is that they have controlled who the candidates are for the last century(likely much longer). It doesn’t matter who wins, the government will grow and the BOR will be eroded. There have been no exceptions to this rule in at-least the last 100 years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If we cared about Freedom and Liberty, every one of those would get voted out... In reality, around 90% will be reelected. I don't think elections matter anymore. The vote counters are in control. The real fraud is that they have controlled who the candidates are for the last century(likely much longer). It doesn’t matter who wins, the government will grow and the BOR will be eroded. There have been no exceptions to this rule in at-least the last 100 years. They couldn't control shit if we had a citizenry that wanted Freedom and a small Constitutional government. People line up for the shit sandwich with mustard, or the shit sandwich with catsup, instead of choosing the steak and potatoes at the next table over. romney or obama, and the vast majority on the right act like Battered Wives and voted for romney, instead of going 3rd party and sending a message. The only message we have sent, is "we" will vote for any piece of shit with an R after their name, no matter what. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:30:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Republican party for politicians has conservatives, liberals and moderates. The Democrat party only allows leftist. Pretty much rigs the game. Well said. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:32:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They've already won... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: America is in a race to the bottom. The left will always win. They've already won... True. The important thing now is for people to learn where we could have stopped this, so that people don't make the same mistakes the next time. I'm sure some people think there won't be a next time (for a Republic like our Founders intended), but there will be....eventually. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:37:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They couldn't control shit if we had a citizenry that wanted Freedom and a small Constitutional government. People line up for the shit sandwich with mustard, or the shit sandwich with catsup, instead of choosing the steak and potatoes at the next table over. romney or obama, and the vast majority on the right act like Battered Wives and voted for romney, instead of going 3rd party and sending a message. The only message we have sent, is "we" will vote for any piece of shit with an R after their name, no matter what. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If we cared about Freedom and Liberty, every one of those would get voted out... In reality, around 90% will be reelected. I don't think elections matter anymore. The vote counters are in control. The real fraud is that they have controlled who the candidates are for the last century(likely much longer). It doesn’t matter who wins, the government will grow and the BOR will be eroded. There have been no exceptions to this rule in at-least the last 100 years. They couldn't control shit if we had a citizenry that wanted Freedom and a small Constitutional government. People line up for the shit sandwich with mustard, or the shit sandwich with catsup, instead of choosing the steak and potatoes at the next table over. romney or obama, and the vast majority on the right act like Battered Wives and voted for romney, instead of going 3rd party and sending a message. The only message we have sent, is "we" will vote for any piece of shit with an R after their name, no matter what. Ayup. And when it comes to the washed masses wailing about ‘stolen elections’… while I think there was fraud (there always has been), in the grand scheme of things I don’t get the level of outrage that seems so prominent. I mean yea biden is arguably ‘worse’ than trump… but these people act like Trump winning would have been some huge victory, akin to Jesus reincarnating. How they have this view of some big Victory after 4 years of broken campaign promises, attacks on the RKBA, record deficit spending, a level of socialism we haven’t seen since FDR, nominations and appointments that were 100% swamp etc. is really mind boggling. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:48:31 AM EDT
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Did you guys actually read the link? Not that it was particularly well put together, but they said the national red flag provisions were part of a different bill. There supposedly were provisions for red flags for service members in this bill, but not a national red flag.
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Posted: 9/25/2021 10:53:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you guys actually read the link? Not that it was particularly well put together, but they said the national red flag provisions were part of a different bill. There supposedly were provisions for red flags for service members in this bill, but not a national red flag.  |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 12:19:59 PM EDT
[#16]
(Image shows Omar and AOC voting no . . .) Time to change teams?
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Posted: 9/25/2021 12:45:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmmm. I remember Trump calling FL Gov. Scott and thanking him for all that gun control (red flag laws, rapid fire device ban, under 21 gun purchasing ban, etc.) he signed. Trump even tweeted it if I remember correctly. And even "Beautiful Ivanka" approves of red flags: https://content.osgnetworks.tv/firearmsnews/content/photos/Ivanka-Trump-Red-Flag-770.jpgIvanka Trump's Support of Unconstitutional Red Flag Laws: a Red Flag to Gun Owners But it's the Russian investigation's fault... At least get both sides of the story if youre going to go full never!trumper. Something like-- Don Jr and Ivanka on opposite sides of red flag law legislation. Nobody is going to excuse DJTs red flag commentary in 2019 fresh after a high profile shooting, but a stab at fairness would also include how he eliminated obamas guns on federal lands mandate and his mental health prohibitions upon stepping into office. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 12:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s definitely some of that, but it’s mostly the lesser of two evils thing. I always knew Trump wasn’t pro gun; he’s been a NYC business man his whole life. Yes banning bump stocks or anything(especially by exec order) is wrong. But, as has been noted in this thread, not one of these fucks actually wants us to have guns. Name the last presidential candidate that was actually pro 2A. One who you honestly believe would try to get rid of NFA. There hasn’t been one in my life time. When that magical time comes, I’ll vote for em. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I mentioned something earlier about it… on one hand while I don’t agree with it i can understand people who ‘hold their nose’ to vote the lesser of evils. As propaganda has ingrained that moronic logic in our brains for generations now. What’s astonishing and really concerning about the 2020 election is the huge amount of enthusiasm tens of millions of gun owners had at the very thought of voting for Trump. It’s really quite astonishing. But then I come on here and see a seeming large percentage of ‘gun owners’ who could really give a fuck if daddy gov bans ‘range toys’ or supports a myriad of other anti gun legislation.. because guess what they don’t own a ‘range toy’ or they shoot on their own land and don’t have to go to ranges. It’s quite sobering, but it really brings it all together. There’s definitely some of that, but it’s mostly the lesser of two evils thing. I always knew Trump wasn’t pro gun; he’s been a NYC business man his whole life. Yes banning bump stocks or anything(especially by exec order) is wrong. But, as has been noted in this thread, not one of these fucks actually wants us to have guns. Name the last presidential candidate that was actually pro 2A. One who you honestly believe would try to get rid of NFA. There hasn’t been one in my life time. When that magical time comes, I’ll vote for em. I told people back around 2015 that if Trump wins the nomination and presidency that we would get gun control and/or he would not do anything for the 2A. By the time he was sworn in many those people said that would never happen and that I was wrong. I have had many of those people say to me, in one way or another, over the past two years: "Wow, you were right." I wish I would have been wrong... |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 1:08:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least get both sides of the story if youre going to go full never!trumper. Something like-- Don Jr and Ivanka on opposite sides of red flag law legislation. Nobody is going to excuse DJTs red flag commentary in 2019 fresh after a high profile shooting, but a stab at fairness would also include how he eliminated obamas guns on federal lands mandate and his mental health prohibitions upon stepping into office. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hmmmm. I remember Trump calling FL Gov. Scott and thanking him for all that gun control (red flag laws, rapid fire device ban, under 21 gun purchasing ban, etc.) he signed. Trump even tweeted it if I remember correctly. And even "Beautiful Ivanka" approves of red flags: https://content.osgnetworks.tv/firearmsnews/content/photos/Ivanka-Trump-Red-Flag-770.jpgIvanka Trump's Support of Unconstitutional Red Flag Laws: a Red Flag to Gun Owners But it's the Russian investigation's fault... At least get both sides of the story if youre going to go full never!trumper. Something like-- Don Jr and Ivanka on opposite sides of red flag law legislation. Nobody is going to excuse DJTs red flag commentary in 2019 fresh after a high profile shooting, but a stab at fairness would also include how he eliminated obamas guns on federal lands mandate and his mental health prohibitions upon stepping into office. "...a stab at fairness"???? LOL! Well, if you are going to go full Forever Trumper then let's be "fair" to people who support the 2A and look at: Four Years of the Trump Administration and the “Beautiful” 2nd Amendment The states of CA, WA, OR, NV, NM, CO, FL (Trump liked that gun control), IL, MD, NJ, NY, MA, CT, VT, VA all either eviscerated the 2A or passed gun control in the four years Trump has been in office and all we got from him were a few "paper tiger" tweets regarding VA anti-2A actions. No Second Amendment Coalition meeting ever held, no federal intervention at the DOJ or AG level regarding states (pot is sold freely in violation of federal law but all federal gun laws are enforced even if a state rejects them), no HPA, no federal CCW, no deregulation of gun laws -many can be done without Congressional approval through the BATFE (Trump's "best people" forgot to tell him about those), ZERO leadership initiatives done when Republicrats controlled the White House, Senate, and Congress (maybe this is 4D chess and Trump is secretly going to control the Biden White House; Q-Anon has all the excuses if you need any), and many anti-2A actions as documented below:  Will President Trump Let ATF Continue to Rule by Unchecked Diktat with Honey Badger ‘Reclassification'? Where's My 4D Chess? SCOTUS Passes on All 2nd Amendment Cases Any Trump SCOTUS Pick Should Not Have Argued Against Second Amendment (we may have gotten a good one but only time will tell) 'Gun Owners for Trump' Could be Valuable if President Welcomes Right Voices - Gotta love that Second Amendment Coalition 2.0! LOL! Supreme Court Judge Questions Trump's Bump-Fire Stock Ban Congressmen Question ATF Brace Restriction Plans Trump Dumps ATF Nominee Over Pro-Gun Objections Who Will Guard Against ‘Guardians' When Trump Admin Enforces More Gun Laws? Trump Considers Social Credit Score System for Gun Ownership 145 CEOs Demand Senate 'Take Action' On Gun Control – One of Them Is the Brother of Trump's Senior Advisor Trump All Over Map on Guns as NRA Fights Self-Started Fires Ivanka Trump's Support of Unconstitutional Red Flag Laws: a Red Flag to Gun Owners BREAKING NEWS: President Trump Greenlights Red Flag Laws Is the Trump Administration Imposing More Gun Control through BATFE with a Ban on Pistol Braces? UPDATE 2020 is Trump's to Blow with Gun Owners Trump Administration Export Ban on Over 32 Round Magazines Raises Question of 'Why?' Trump: 'I Don't Like Silencers at All' FOP Actions of Trump's ATF Pick Belie 'Reverence for 2nd Amendment' Claim Trump's Bump Stock Ban Trump Choosing Barr for DOJ: No Favor to Gun Owners How Republicans Have Damaged the 2nd Amendment DOJ Announces Bump Stock Ban, Countersuits Immediately Filed Trump's Pending Bumpstock Ban With Republicans Like These, Who Needs Democrats? Where is Trump as States Reduce RKBA to Sub-Foreign Levels?  President Trump's View of 2nd Amendment Not What Gun Owners Thought? "During his confirmation hearings, Justice Gorsuch assured Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, when asked specifically about the banning of M-16 rifles and the like, that he would follow the law in Heller." Republicans, Courts Destroying 2nd Amendment in Ways Democrats Can't False-Flag Drive Toward Registration, Confiscation If Newly Proposed Gun-Control Policies Were Law in 1945 (Trump’s Support for FL Gun Control) Bump Stocks and the Bill of Rights Doesn't sound like a pro-2A president to me especially one that who gave hundreds of promises to protect the 2nd Amendment.(I understand that leftist Biden isn’t either…) He knew he needed gun owners to win so he told them what they wanted to hear. But he was all about getting this done despite the impeachment threats, Russia investigation, etc./fan club excuse list: $380,000,000,000 (billion) Trump got Israel at lighting speed. (Jared helped so that was a nice family project.) US Approves $3.8 Billion Annual Military Aid for 10 Years to Israel - Defense World news How about $380 for a conference room at the Holiday Inn for a Second Amendment Coaltion meeting... |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 1:17:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is going to be funny when everyone finds out that gun owners/ anti gun owners, blm/cops, antifa/proud boys, abortionists/anti-abortionists are all fighting the same people and don't know it. The real enemy is out there and they are using all of us against each other. I have a desire to know more, I just don't see that. I see the majority of the politicians screwing the hard working, supporting policies that make us yell WTF at our tv(quoting Aaron Lewis). We feel alone and people are frustrated, scared and soon if it continues, a lot of people will have less to lose. we are not talking about brain washed kids from a liberal college, were talking blue collar people that get stuff done that have families. We all know what a bear does when their cubs are threatened, what will the American do? I see things going to the next level. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 1:31:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I told people back around 2015 that if Trump wins the nomination and presidency that we would get gun control and/or he would not do anything for the 2A. By the time he was sworn in many those people said that would never happen and that I was wrong. I have had many of those people say to me, in one way or another, over the past two years: "Wow, you were right." I wish I would have been wrong... Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 1:42:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I told people back around 2015 that if Trump wins the nomination and presidency that we would get gun control and/or he would not do anything for the 2A. By the time he was sworn in many those people said that would never happen and that I was wrong. I have had many of those people say to me, in one way or another, over the past two years: "Wow, you were right." I wish I would have been wrong... Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 He blew smoke up your ass. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 1:45:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least get both sides of the story if youre going to go full never!trumper. Something like-- Don Jr and Ivanka on opposite sides of red flag law legislation. Nobody is going to excuse DJTs red flag commentary in 2019 fresh after a high profile shooting, but a stab at fairness would also include how he eliminated obamas guns on federal lands mandate and his mental health prohibitions upon stepping into office. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 2:00:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I told people back around 2015 that if Trump wins the nomination and presidency that we would get gun control and/or he would not do anything for the 2A. By the time he was sworn in many those people said that would never happen and that I was wrong. I have had many of those people say to me, in one way or another, over the past two years: "Wow, you were right." I wish I would have been wrong... Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 I continue to fail to understand??? Ha. Your poor understanding of the situation with your contribution to the excuse mill of "Trump failed when he trusted the swamp" bullshit. Many people here still think that Trump is some 2A patriot that's the other reason to point this out as Sean Hannity never will. The point is what he did do all the while professing to defend the "beautiful 2nd Amendment" So a president has no influence or power??? Here are some: 1934 NFA - promoted and signed by Rosevelt 1968 GCA - promoted and signed by Johnson 1986 machine gun ban - signed and supported by Ronnie Reagan 1989 Import Assault Weapons ban - promoted and signed by George HW Bush 1994 Domestic Assault Weapons ban, mag ban, and Brady Bill - signed by Clinton and promoted by him, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, George HW Bush, and Jimmy Carter Without a presidential signature, congress is stuck in many cases. Also these presidents WANTED these laws and bans and congressmen like to along with the president as they have many favors which need presidential support. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 2:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 2:14:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This would surprise anyone? Marxists in the Republicrat Party marching to their true colors... what a surprise. Saul Alinsky and Joe Stalin would be proud of them.  |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 2:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Marxists in the Republicrat Party marching to their true colors... what a surprise. Saul Alinsky and Joe Stalin would be proud of them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/547908/nukey-a-2068327.jpg |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 4:07:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which one of these were going to beat Clinton? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presidential_candidates Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump emboldened Republicans to be openly anti-gun. He flat out said that lawmakers shouldn't fear gun owners and he proved it with Florida after Parkland. Biden is a festering piece of crap. We know he's bad. The problem is, Trump is supporting anti-gun Republicans. he recently endorsed the Republican (Wilton Simpson, current FL Senate President) that authored the FL Red Flag Law for Comm. of Ag & Consumer Services in 2022. That office controls the Florida CCW Permit system. So the guy that wrote the FL Red Flag Law was endorsed by the Republican President that promoted Red Flag Laws on a national level for the very office that is a state list of gun owners in FL.  Which one of these were going to beat Clinton? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presidential_candidates You mean this unstoppable juggernaut?    Who but another septuagenarian could best such an unimaginably powerful force! The self-comforting lies some of you people tell yourselves to cope with poor decisions...  Quoted: There’s definitely some of that, but it’s mostly the lesser of two evils thing. I always knew Trump wasn’t pro gun; he’s been a NYC business man his whole life. Yes banning bump stocks or anything(especially by exec order) is wrong. But, as has been noted in this thread, not one of these fucks actually wants us to have guns. Name the last presidential candidate that was actually pro 2A. One who you honestly believe would try to get rid of NFA. There hasn’t been one in my life time. When that magical time comes, I’ll vote for em. I'd say there have certainly been options.   The low information plurality of the party chose... Poorly.  Quoted: Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 Well, considering that it's the DOJ/ATF creating machine guns out of thin air and could potentially bastardize the definition enough to include all semi-autos, and the DOJ enforcing unconstitutional gun laws in federal court (like Ketler v US) instead of declining to prosecute them like Obama had his DOJ do with DOMA, I'd say the executive branch can do quite a bit on the 2A front without much involvement from Congress. In fact, Trump didn't need Congress to give us the Second Amendment Coalition he promised. Trump didn't need Congress to mandate military base carry like he promised on Day 1 and which may have prevented at least 2 military base shootings that happened while he was in office. Trump didn't need Congress to direct the AG to go after those within the ATF that were behind Fast And Furious. Trump didn't need Congress to "promote" anti-gun swamp personnel in the ATF out of D.C. to remote locations where they could be prevented from damaging the 2A. Trump didn't need Congress to re-allow imports of Veprs he banned. Trump didn't need Congress to undo the 1989 Import Ban GHWB put in place. Trump didn't need Congress to undo the Barrel Ban GWB put in place. Trump didn't need Congress to direct the ATF to redefine "sporting purposes" in the GCA to be more Second Amendment friendly. Trump didn't need Congress to not call up and praise other Republicans for passing gun control. Trump didn't need Congress to constantly push a pro-2A message in public and on social media, not just when it's election season. Trump didn't need Congress to not appoint an AG nominee that supported the Ruby Ridge snipers. In fact, Congress protected gun owners from Trump's anti-gun FOP head ATF nominee which he didn't have to select. So, tell us again how little the Prez can affect the 2A...
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Posted: 9/25/2021 4:25:55 PM EDT
[#30]
Trump was for it too.
“Take the guns. Due process later. Take the guns .” We have very few allies |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 4:31:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump was for it too. “Take the guns. Due process later. Take the guns .” We have very few allies As well as universal background checks and raising the purchase age on all firearms to 21 which everyone always forgets.  Trump: US should 'think about' raising age to buy assault weapon His default, knee jerk position was to push gun control and it wasn't until he caught massive pushback from that supposedly do nothing Congress that he backed off. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 5:11:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump emboldened Republicans to be openly anti-gun. He flat out said that lawmakers shouldn't fear gun owners and he proved it with Florida after Parkland. Biden is a festering piece of crap. We know he's bad. The problem is, Trump is supporting anti-gun Republicans. he recently endorsed the Republican (Wilton Simpson, current FL Senate President) that authored the FL Red Flag Law for Comm. of Ag & Consumer Services in 2022. That office controls the Florida CCW Permit system. So the guy that wrote the FL Red Flag Law was endorsed by the Republican President that promoted Red Flag Laws on a national level for the very office that is a state list of gun owners in FL.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 7:06:34 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One Party One Nation Under Luciferians |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 7:23:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean this unstoppable juggernaut? https://media.giphy.com/media/C8C8sAxDMy5ExnSo4Q/source.gif https://media.giphy.com/media/JhGT3XpE7lTVzM04In/source.gif Who but another septuagenarian could best such an unimaginably powerful force! The self-comforting lies some of you people tell yourselves to cope with poor decisions... I'd say there have certainly been options. https://i.imgur.com/RBOhPm5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Ig39jCV.png The low information plurality of the party chose... Poorly. https://i.imgur.com/fA3LGMw.jpg?1 Well, considering that it's the DOJ/ATF creating machine guns out of thin air and could potentially bastardize the definition enough to include all semi-autos, and the DOJ enforcing unconstitutional gun laws in federal court (like Ketler v US) instead of declining to prosecute them like Obama had his DOJ do with DOMA, I'd say the executive branch can do quite a bit on the 2A front without much involvement from Congress. In fact, Trump didn't need Congress to give us the Second Amendment Coalition he promised. Trump didn't need Congress to mandate military base carry like he promised on Day 1 and which may have prevented at least 2 military base shootings that happened while he was in office. Trump didn't need Congress to direct the AG to go after those within the ATF that were behind Fast And Furious. Trump didn't need Congress to "promote" anti-gun swamp personnel in the ATF out of D.C. to remote locations where they could be prevented from damaging the 2A. Trump didn't need Congress to re-allow imports of Veprs he banned. Trump didn't need Congress to undo the 1989 Import Ban GHWB put in place. Trump didn't need Congress to undo the Barrel Ban GWB put in place. Trump didn't need Congress to direct the ATF to redefine "sporting purposes" in the GCA to be more Second Amendment friendly. Trump didn't need Congress to not call up and praise other Republicans for passing gun control. Trump didn't need Congress to constantly push a pro-2A message in public and on social media, not just when it's election season. Trump didn't need Congress to not appoint an AG nominee that supported the Ruby Ridge snipers. In fact, Congress protected gun owners from Trump's anti-gun FOP head ATF nominee which he didn't have to select. So, tell us again how little the Prez can affect the 2A... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trump emboldened Republicans to be openly anti-gun. He flat out said that lawmakers shouldn't fear gun owners and he proved it with Florida after Parkland. Biden is a festering piece of crap. We know he's bad. The problem is, Trump is supporting anti-gun Republicans. he recently endorsed the Republican (Wilton Simpson, current FL Senate President) that authored the FL Red Flag Law for Comm. of Ag & Consumer Services in 2022. That office controls the Florida CCW Permit system. So the guy that wrote the FL Red Flag Law was endorsed by the Republican President that promoted Red Flag Laws on a national level for the very office that is a state list of gun owners in FL. Which one of these were going to beat Clinton? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presidential_candidates You mean this unstoppable juggernaut? https://media.giphy.com/media/C8C8sAxDMy5ExnSo4Q/source.gif https://media.giphy.com/media/JhGT3XpE7lTVzM04In/source.gif Who but another septuagenarian could best such an unimaginably powerful force! The self-comforting lies some of you people tell yourselves to cope with poor decisions... Quoted: There’s definitely some of that, but it’s mostly the lesser of two evils thing. I always knew Trump wasn’t pro gun; he’s been a NYC business man his whole life. Yes banning bump stocks or anything(especially by exec order) is wrong. But, as has been noted in this thread, not one of these fucks actually wants us to have guns. Name the last presidential candidate that was actually pro 2A. One who you honestly believe would try to get rid of NFA. There hasn’t been one in my life time. When that magical time comes, I’ll vote for em. I'd say there have certainly been options. https://i.imgur.com/RBOhPm5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Ig39jCV.png The low information plurality of the party chose... Poorly. https://i.imgur.com/fA3LGMw.jpg?1 Quoted: Shit, you could say that about every president for the past 50 years, that's an easy statement to make. POTUS has very little impact on the 2A other than through their DOJ/ATF agencies; it's all about congress. You continue to fail to understand basic government; congress makes laws, not the executive branch. Trump failed when he trusted entrenched leaders in the bureaucracy swamp. ROCK6 Well, considering that it's the DOJ/ATF creating machine guns out of thin air and could potentially bastardize the definition enough to include all semi-autos, and the DOJ enforcing unconstitutional gun laws in federal court (like Ketler v US) instead of declining to prosecute them like Obama had his DOJ do with DOMA, I'd say the executive branch can do quite a bit on the 2A front without much involvement from Congress. In fact, Trump didn't need Congress to give us the Second Amendment Coalition he promised. Trump didn't need Congress to mandate military base carry like he promised on Day 1 and which may have prevented at least 2 military base shootings that happened while he was in office. Trump didn't need Congress to direct the AG to go after those within the ATF that were behind Fast And Furious. Trump didn't need Congress to "promote" anti-gun swamp personnel in the ATF out of D.C. to remote locations where they could be prevented from damaging the 2A. Trump didn't need Congress to re-allow imports of Veprs he banned. Trump didn't need Congress to undo the 1989 Import Ban GHWB put in place. Trump didn't need Congress to undo the Barrel Ban GWB put in place. Trump didn't need Congress to direct the ATF to redefine "sporting purposes" in the GCA to be more Second Amendment friendly. Trump didn't need Congress to not call up and praise other Republicans for passing gun control. Trump didn't need Congress to constantly push a pro-2A message in public and on social media, not just when it's election season. Trump didn't need Congress to not appoint an AG nominee that supported the Ruby Ridge snipers. In fact, Congress protected gun owners from Trump's anti-gun FOP head ATF nominee which he didn't have to select. So, tell us again how little the Prez can affect the 2A...  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 8:38:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As well as universal background checks and raising the purchase age on all firearms to 21 which everyone always forgets.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcVDehzDdgEHis default, knee jerk position was to push gun control and it wasn't until he caught massive pushback from that supposedly do nothing Congress that he backed off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump was for it too. “Take the guns. Due process later. Take the guns .” We have very few allies As well as universal background checks and raising the purchase age on all firearms to 21 which everyone always forgets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcVDehzDdgEHis default, knee jerk position was to push gun control and it wasn't until he caught massive pushback from that supposedly do nothing Congress that he backed off. He also appointed an anti gun POS to head the atf. Lucky for us the Senate stopped it. The guy pandered the living shit out of gun owners more than any politician in my lifetime (going back to Reagan). It's almost like his handlers told him what to say to fire up the crowds, which in turn stroked the shit out of his ego (along with "lock her up"). In the end, he wasn't much different than the ones that just mention it when asked, and only give vague answers. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 8:42:13 PM EDT
[#36]
So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads.
News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 8:43:49 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads. News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. Yet some of the damage he did lives on... |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 8:47:53 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet some of the damage he did lives on... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads. News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. Yet some of the damage he did lives on... I'll agree that Trump has many faux pas, but he didn't actively TRY to destroy this country as part of the globalist agenda we're seeing now and before him. I don't think you "Never Trumpers" understand this. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 8:52:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll agree that Trump has many faux pas, but he didn't actively TRY to destroy this country as part of the globalist agenda we're seeing now and before him. I don't think you "Never Trumpers" understand this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads. News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. Yet some of the damage he did lives on... I'll agree that Trump has many faux pas, but he didn't actively TRY to destroy this country as part of the globalist agenda we're seeing now and before him. I don't think you "Never Trumpers" understand this. Nope, just helped it along with his ineptitude/stupidity. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 8:56:53 PM EDT
[#40]
Without looking, I KNEW Kinzinger was on the list of "yeas".
I checked anyway, and of course he was there with the other turncoats. It is what he does. When he next runs for office, there will be a shiny new "D" after his name. It would be the first truthful thing he's done since he was elected. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:11:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Matt Gaetz
FFS
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:26:39 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads. News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. So he's not planning on running in 2024? News to me... Everyone else seems to think he is. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:27:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So he's not planning on running in 2024? News to me... Everyone else seems to think he is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads. News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. So he's not planning on running in 2024? News to me... Everyone else seems to think he is. He can't legally say it yet, but he will. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:38:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So Fucking What? Didn't you get the memo? Laws don't matter anymore. If Congress can defy the USSC, why can't I defy Congress? I'm done. No more. Fuck the consequences. I wish you and every other American who takes this route the best of luck. Being a man of principle is not always easy or safe. And I pray men (women included in this reference for the sensitive, although I know they would not take offense to the singular sex reference) prevail in their journey. Many of us are soon to face hard choices pitting our values against our financial futures, among other hardships. The more of us who stay strong the better. Who is John Galt? Are you willing to be? It’s a hard choice to make, without huge numbers making that choice we have lost. If enough do we can stop the worlds wheel from turning. The more people who go Galt the better, let’s stop the engine of the world. To those who would take Ragner’s path all the more power to you, provided your campaign is just. It’s a fine line but arguably just. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 9:46:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He can't legally say it yet, but he will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads. News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. So he's not planning on running in 2024? News to me... Everyone else seems to think he is. He can't legally say it yet, but he will. Exactly and it's why people should be reminded frequently he did nothing for the 2A, like the rest of these useless assholes who signed onto this bill, or anything meaningful to reign in the FedGov, namely shutting the pocketbook. Don't support a hollow populist in the 2024 primary, support the most Constitutionally Conservative candidate instead. 
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Posted: 9/25/2021 11:35:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He also appointed an anti gun POS to head the atf. Lucky for us the Senate stopped it. The guy pandered the living shit out of gun owners more than any politician in my lifetime (going back to Reagan). It's almost like his handlers told him what to say to fire up the crowds, which in turn stroked the shit out of his ego (along with "lock her up"). In the end, he wasn't much different than the ones that just mention it when asked, and only give vague answers. But it sure was a feedback loop on himself. Remember when he said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 11:38:42 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll agree that Trump has many faux pas, but he didn't actively TRY to destroy this country as part of the globalist agenda we're seeing now and before him. I don't think you "Never Trumpers" understand this. As for the Globalist Agenda.... he talked big, but did little on a lot of things. He helped promote some of the very issues we are facing today. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:19:13 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly and it's why people should be reminded frequently he did nothing for the 2A, like the rest of these useless assholes who signed onto this bill, or anything meaningful to reign in the FedGov, namely shutting the pocketbook. Don't support a hollow populist in the 2024 primary, support the most Constitutionally Conservative candidate instead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So this is basically an anti Trump thread? Dude really is permanently lodged in some of your heads. News flash! There's no one whose name is Trump that's in the White House, Congress or the SCOTUS. FFS, get over him, he's gone and while he may have a loud voice he's not ever going to hold office again. So he's not planning on running in 2024? News to me... Everyone else seems to think he is. He can't legally say it yet, but he will. Exactly and it's why people should be reminded frequently he did nothing for the 2A, like the rest of these useless assholes who signed onto this bill, or anything meaningful to reign in the FedGov, namely shutting the pocketbook. Don't support a hollow populist in the 2024 primary, support the most Constitutionally Conservative candidate instead. Maybe they just want more checks. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 8:00:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just watched Cawthorns Instagram video explaining his decision, and he basically broke it down that they had to pass it in its current state to stop military members from being dishonorably discharged for refusing the vaccine. Supposedly he had assurances that the red flag bullshit would be stripped out by the time it made it back to the house. I think he's full of shit, but he's been solid so far so I'll let things play out. If it makes it back to the house in its current form and they don't have the votes to stop it, I'm done with him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can't believe mine (Cawthorn) voted for it... Wow. Did he hit his head recently? I thought he was far better than that! Glad that mine (Timmons) voted against it. But I could have seen him go along to get along just as easily, too I just watched Cawthorns Instagram video explaining his decision, and he basically broke it down that they had to pass it in its current state to stop military members from being dishonorably discharged for refusing the vaccine. Supposedly he had assurances that the red flag bullshit would be stripped out by the time it made it back to the house. I think he's full of shit, but he's been solid so far so I'll let things play out. If it makes it back to the house in its current form and they don't have the votes to stop it, I'm done with him.
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:10:08 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a few more steps before you're a white republican voter...you've been red flagged. Anti "vaxx", anti mask, etc.
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