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Posted: 11/16/2014 7:19:14 PM EDT
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No one is saying the didn't do a fine job. 
You can tell that they didn't give a flying fuck as to who was in the car or the truck when the bad guy opened fire on the officers. I didn't see them stop and discuss about who might be in the car when they returned fire. 
Running into the car means anything from slamming it at 120mph to tapping the truck to (like in a pit maneuver) to get the bad guy either pinched between the car and truck or get it so the truck door would not open. They clearly didn't have the angle to strike the truck in a way that would move it any significant distance. Also, it would just pin his lower body, leaving him perfectly able to continue shooting. Think about it. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 7:19:34 PM EDT
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Always thought those SWAT guys showed big balls when tey came flying up on the last shooter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
Always thought those SWAT guys showed big balls when tey came flying up on the last shooter. IIRC, it was said that they came up on the shooter by accident. they didn't plan on engaging like that but drove down that street to get on scene and ran into those cars stopped in the middle of the road. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 7:20:20 PM EDT
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Not a tactically sound plan of action, Amigo. Airbags deploy, frame buckles, pillars deform, inertial reels lock, etc. Plus, no certainty it'll work to take him out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
Not a tactically sound plan of action, Amigo. Airbags deploy, frame buckles, pillars deform, inertial reels lock, etc. Plus, no certainty it'll work to take him out. I agree I can't think of a more dangerous situation with no cover or concealment then being strapped into a car and trying to ram someone with a magazine fed semi auto rifle. Civilian cars offer concealment only other then maybe a few areas around the engine block. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 7:37:11 PM EDT
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I agree I can't think of a more dangerous situation with no cover or concealment then being strapped into a car and trying to ram someone with a magazine fed semi auto rifle. Civilian cars offer concealment only other then maybe a few areas around the engine block. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
Not a tactically sound plan of action, Amigo. Airbags deploy, frame buckles, pillars deform, inertial reels lock, etc. Plus, no certainty it'll work to take him out. I agree I can't think of a more dangerous situation with no cover or concealment then being strapped into a car and trying to ram someone with a magazine fed semi auto rifle. Civilian cars offer concealment only other then maybe a few areas around the engine block. We did a weapons effect video almost 20 years ago at Camp Guernsey. Started with 9mm on frangible painted targets, to PAGST and soft armor, Kevlar helmets, cinder blocks, vehicles, then Peacekeepers. We also used 5.56mm, 7.62, 40 mm (both 203 and Mk19), also M249/240B. 9mm easily ventilated pickups, both doors. Ugly. I have the VHS somewhere. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:39:39 PM EDT
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We did a weapons effect video almost 20 years ago at Camp Guernsey. Started with 9mm on frangible painted targets, to PAGST and soft armor, Kevlar helmets, cinder blocks, vehicles, then Peacekeepers. We also used 5.56mm, 7.62, 40 mm (both 203 and Mk19), also M249/240B. 9mm easily ventilated pickups, both doors. Ugly. I have the VHS somewhere. 
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CA folks can correct me if I am wrong but I believe the large capacity magazine restrictions did not take effect till January 1, 2000. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did gun stores have 30 round AR mags for sale in California in 1997? Or were they for sale only to special LEOs? CA folks can correct me if I am wrong but I believe the large capacity magazine restrictions did not take effect till January 1, 2000. That is correct. A lot of 30-rounders were sold in 1999. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:43:36 PM EDT
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Didn't one of these guys "enhance" their body armor with cut up truck tires?
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Posted: 11/16/2014 11:05:10 PM EDT
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We did a weapons effect video almost 20 years ago at Camp Guernsey. Started with 9mm on frangible painted targets, to PAGST and soft armor, Kevlar helmets, cinder blocks, vehicles, then Peacekeepers. We also used 5.56mm, 7.62, 40 mm (both 203 and Mk19), also M249/240B. 9mm easily ventilated pickups, both doors. Ugly. I have the VHS somewhere.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:05:01 AM EDT
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We did a weapons effect video almost 20 years ago at Camp Guernsey. Started with 9mm on frangible painted targets, to PAGST and soft armor, Kevlar helmets, cinder blocks, vehicles, then Peacekeepers. We also used 5.56mm, 7.62, 40 mm (both 203 and Mk19), also M249/240B. 9mm easily ventilated pickups, both doors. Ugly. I have the VHS somewhere.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:06:54 AM EDT
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I've always wondered if Phillips and, the guy with the name I can't spell, had a Barrett, would they have been able to change their fate.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:16:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They clearly didn't have the angle to strike the truck in a way that would move it any significant distance. Also, it would just pin his lower body, leaving him perfectly able to continue shooting. Think about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one is saying the didn't do a fine job. You can tell that they didn't give a flying fuck as to who was in the car or the truck when the bad guy opened fire on the officers. I didn't see them stop and discuss about who might be in the car when they returned fire. Running into the car means anything from slamming it at 120mph to tapping the truck to (like in a pit maneuver) to get the bad guy either pinched between the car and truck or get it so the truck door would not open. They clearly didn't have the angle to strike the truck in a way that would move it any significant distance. Also, it would just pin his lower body, leaving him perfectly able to continue shooting. Think about it. If he was pinned in between two vehicles then he would not have been able to move behind the car and use it for cover. As it was he was able to move and shoot. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:18:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a tactically sound plan of action, Amigo. Airbags deploy, frame buckles, pillars deform, inertial reels lock, etc. Plus, no certainty it'll work to take him out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147Not a tactically sound plan of action, Amigo. Airbags deploy, frame buckles, pillars deform, inertial reels lock, etc. Plus, no certainty it'll work to take him out. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:20:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LA did not form the first SWAT team. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Came across this and has some good info posted on what went down at the nearest gun shop during the shootout. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=973942 That shoot out (like the 1986 Miami Shoot Out) were watershed moments for Law Enforcement. The 1986 shootout led to police agencies dumping the revolver and later the 9mm in favor of 40SW The 1997 shootout led to police agencies to start issuing AR15's as standard equipment for regular Police Officers Militarization of Police Agencies happened gradually over a long period of time, mostly it was attributable to the War on Drugs with the LAPD forming the first SWAT team in the 70's LA did not form the first SWAT team. That's not what I learned on that ABC documentary show S.W.A.T.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:22:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree I can't think of a more dangerous situation with no cover or concealment then being strapped into a car and trying to ram someone with a magazine fed semi auto rifle. Civilian cars offer concealment only other then maybe a few areas around the engine block. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147Not a tactically sound plan of action, Amigo. Airbags deploy, frame buckles, pillars deform, inertial reels lock, etc. Plus, no certainty it'll work to take him out. I agree I can't think of a more dangerous situation with no cover or concealment then being strapped into a car and trying to ram someone with a magazine fed semi auto rifle. Civilian cars offer concealment only other then maybe a few areas around the engine block. What about, oh say if they just drove up to the vehicle, got out and started taking fire from the gunman. Oh wait, that's what happened.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:22:49 AM EDT
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Tag. Thanks for posting
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:29:09 AM EDT
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I knew there was a reason I didn't like Dianne Feinstein.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:34:33 AM EDT
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The day they realized 9mm sucks. Im surprised we havent had the Couch Commandos in yet telling us how they'd have stood up and calmly made head shots I have always thought it is kind of amazing that the police didn't get a lucky head shot and kill one of them sooner. Likewise for the fire going the other way. About 2000 rounds fired and only those two dead is pretty crazy to think about. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:45:41 AM EDT
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Did you bother to read what I posted BEFORE you tossed in your 2 cents?
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All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
Not a tactically sound plan of action, Amigo. Airbags deploy, frame buckles, pillars deform, inertial reels lock, etc. Plus, no certainty it'll work to take him out. Did you bother to read what I posted BEFORE you tossed in your 2 cents?
I'm sorry, I highly respect and always look forward to whatever you post, so if I offended you, I apologize. I'm an NTOA certified SWAT officer with hundreds of hours of specialized tactical training and experience; as well as being a tactical instructor in several disciplines. I did not mean to summarily discount your statement, but to explain reasons why it wouldn't have been a viable option. One may be pinned (mobility kill) but still be a lethal threat. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:55:18 AM EDT
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That was interesting read.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:56:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sorry, I highly respect and always look forward to whatever you post, so if I offended you, I apologize. I'm an NTOA certified SWAT officer with hundreds of hours of specialized tactical training and experience; as well as being a tactical instructor in several disciplines. I did not mean to summarily discount your statement, but to explain reasons why it wouldn't have been a viable option. One may be pinned (mobility kill) but still be a lethal threat. I'm a couch commando with no tactical training who's wasn't there who can only look at the video and who didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night say: "They should have rammed the car." "They were already there." "The minute the arrived on scene they started taking fire." "Why not use everything available to you to stop the bad guy". Everything else I have covered. The cops did everything that people have been yammering on anyways, what would have been one more thing. They pulled up to a guy with an automatic weapon that was firing at them. They didn't have any weapons that matched the bad guys fire power. They didn't have any concealment beside the car they drove up in. Once they were getting fired at they didn't give two shits about anyone else, civilian or otherwise, they returned fire. That's OK, continue on to discount what I have said, because who knows, perhaps had they rammed the car that portion of the shootout might have been over instead of going on another minute or so. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 1:53:22 AM EDT
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I remember watching it live on TV. I'd just shattered my elbow (radial head) so was in a lot of pain trying to get comfortable. I hadn't slept in probably 2 or 3 days. I was miserable. That shootout always reminds me of pain.
My roommate just had his hip replaced. We were a couple of cripples who couldn't work so watched it from start to finish. A few memories: -News stations originally reported there were 10 bank robbers in the bank. -News stations, talking out their asses, said the robbery was gang related. -The moment I saw Phillips raise his rifle and actually aim it, it was pretty clear it wasn't gang related. -There was weeks of wild eyed speculation as to who put a bullet in Phillips head first - the police or Phillips himself. -Police waited to enter the bank because they didn't know if there were any other suspects. -I was amazed nobody else died. -I called it - as soon as Matteswhatthefuckshisname stopped shooting I said, "They should let him bleed out" and as soon as they announced he was dead I said, "His family is going to sue". I was a goddam fortune teller that day, I should have played the lottery. -I thought news stations were full of shit when they started reporting LAPD had to get rifles from a local gun shop. I was wrong. Funny this thread popped up today. I shattered my elbow that week trying to clear trees that were blown down in a bad windstorm. The trees collapsed our fence. Last night we had some pretty heavy winds that tore down my fence. I was joking around with my wife this morning that I'm not going anywhere near that fence which led to us discussing the BOA shoutout. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 2:01:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The owner, Bob whatever, had been in the business quite a while and made lots of money. He felt as though California had legislated him into a corner and decided to fold the business. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the read. Didn't B&B get fucked over for something related to that though? I may be remembering it wrong but someone here will know. Nevermind it looks like they went bankrupt. The owner, Bob whatever, had been in the business quite a while and made lots of money. He felt as though California had legislated him into a corner and decided to fold the business. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 2:04:01 AM EDT
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Came across this and has some good info posted on what went down at the nearest gun shop during the shootout. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=973942 That shoot out (like the 1986 Miami Shoot Out) were watershed moments for Law Enforcement. The 1986 shootout led to police agencies dumping the revolver and later the 9mm in favor of 40SW The 1997 shootout led to police agencies to start issuing AR15's as standard equipment for regular Police Officers Militarization of Police Agencies happened gradually over a long period of time, mostly it was attributable to the War on Drugs with the LAPD forming the first SWAT team in the 70's LA did not form the first SWAT team. That's not what I learned on that ABC documentary show S.W.A.T. First SWAT was in Philly. ETA: If you're going to be a couch commando at least get your fucking facts right. I mean it's right on Wikipedia for Christ's sake. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 2:05:41 AM EDT
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Those SWAT guys had huge cajones that day.
(starts @4:50 in the vid) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejD1Gml-ZGc *Note Swat guy riding front passenger side shoots at him at 5:00 in the vid. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 2:36:08 AM EDT
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I'm a couch commando with no tactical training who's wasn't there who can only look at the video and who didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night say: "They should have rammed the car." "They were already there." "The minute the arrived on scene they started taking fire." "Why not use everything available to you to stop the bad guy". Everything else I have covered. The cops did everything that people have been yammering on anyways, what would have been one more thing. They pulled up to a guy with an automatic weapon that was firing at them. They didn't have any weapons that matched the bad guys fire power. They didn't have any concealment beside the car they drove up in. Once they were getting fired at they didn't give two shits about anyone else, civilian or otherwise, they returned fire. That's OK, continue on to discount what I have said, because who knows, perhaps had they rammed the car that portion of the shootout might have been over instead of going on another minute or so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm sorry, I highly respect and always look forward to whatever you post, so if I offended you, I apologize. I'm an NTOA certified SWAT officer with hundreds of hours of specialized tactical training and experience; as well as being a tactical instructor in several disciplines. I did not mean to summarily discount your statement, but to explain reasons why it wouldn't have been a viable option. One may be pinned (mobility kill) but still be a lethal threat. I'm a couch commando with no tactical training who's wasn't there who can only look at the video and who didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night say: "They should have rammed the car." "They were already there." "The minute the arrived on scene they started taking fire." "Why not use everything available to you to stop the bad guy". Everything else I have covered. The cops did everything that people have been yammering on anyways, what would have been one more thing. They pulled up to a guy with an automatic weapon that was firing at them. They didn't have any weapons that matched the bad guys fire power. They didn't have any concealment beside the car they drove up in. Once they were getting fired at they didn't give two shits about anyone else, civilian or otherwise, they returned fire. That's OK, continue on to discount what I have said, because who knows, perhaps had they rammed the car that portion of the shootout might have been over instead of going on another minute or so. As the written word is devoid of tone and inflection, it's an imperfect medium in which to ensure true communication and shared understanding. I am not discounting what you've said, I'm only imparting my training and experience. I've also spoken to officers who were there that day and read the reports. Communications were chaotic and they were receiving conflicting reports of how many gunman there were and where exactly they were at. The ad hoc team in the car came upon the second gunman suddenly and dealt with him based upon what they had before them. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 3:00:02 AM EDT
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I'm a couch commando with no tactical training who's wasn't there who can only look at the video and who didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night say: < nonsense > That's OK, continue on to discount what I have said, because who knows, perhaps had they rammed the car that portion of the shootout might have been over instead of going on another minute or so. Well, at least you recognize that you don't know what you're talking about. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 3:20:02 AM EDT
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The reality is . Better shooting. Any used centerfire hunting rifle and the event ends quickly. Hell one Mosin and the shooting is over. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Ah, gunfights are easy, got it. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 3:54:35 AM EDT
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Thanks for the read. Didn't B&B get fucked over for something related to that though? I may be remembering it wrong but someone here will know. Nevermind it looks like they went bankrupt. The owner, Bob whatever, had been in the business quite a while and made lots of money. He felt as though California had legislated him into a corner and decided to fold the business. It sure was. I used to make it an afternoon trip to ogle all the guns I couldn't afford. Bob was usually acting like a prick (nice toupee, Bob), and his sales guys were mostly bullshitters who didn't know a lot about guns. During the 1980s and 1990s, his selection of assault weapons and handguns was unmatched in L.A. Wall racks filled with HK 91s, Colt AR-15s, shotguns, bolt actions, every cool optic made, and more. The good old days... 
As far as where the SWAT officers stopped - they thought the suspect was further down that street. Coming upon him right where they stopped was not the plan. You can tell how surprised they were by the way they quickly crawled out of the car. Steve Gomez (they one in the shorts) taught a tactics class I attended years after the shootout. He mentioned that his M16's magazine was bent by all the heavy gear they had in the trunk and wouldn't function. It taught them a valuable lesson about the frequency of checking their gear. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:29:09 AM EDT
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First SWAT Municipal Bombardment Group was in Philly. FIFY
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:37:02 AM EDT
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The reality is . Better shooting. Any used centerfire hunting rifle and the event ends quickly. Hell one Mosin and the shooting is over. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Ah, gunfights are easy, got it. You don't have Steady Aim and Hardline Pro? You probably don't even have Blind Eye......noob 
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:41:56 AM EDT
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I've always wondered if Phillips and, the guy with the name I can't spell, had a Barrett, would they have been able to change their fate. No, but they would have gone much further if these druggies weren't dumbass amateurs that didn't have a fucking clue what they were doing. Had people like Platt and Matix been there that day the body count would be much higher. We were real lucky that these 2 screwups were who we got. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:49:31 AM EDT
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Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
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All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
Easy to say in hindsight. I think the SWAT guys ultimately did a solid job by using the vehicles as cover and shooting his legs out from under him. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:50:41 AM EDT
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The day they realized 9mm sucks. Which a) they (LAPD) never actually stopped using and which b) the FBI is now going back to. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:54:33 AM EDT
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I've always wondered if Phillips and, the guy with the name I can't spell, had a Barrett, would they have been able to change their fate. How would that have changed their fates? |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:00:20 AM EDT
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Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
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All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
He was doped up on muscle relaxers and other narcotics, IIRC. He would have been pinned and kept fighting. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:10:05 AM EDT
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I was in the neighborhood at the time.... LAPD now has a museum of their own that features a 'North Hollywood BOA Robbery' exhibit and includes all the home made body armor, complete with bloody bullet holes, that the bad guys wore. 
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:11:05 AM EDT
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I've always wondered if Phillips and, the guy with the name I can't spell, had a Barrett, would they have been able to change their fate. How would that have changed their fates? Dunno. I was leaving that for the people who do the Tac stuff to field. 
Definitely would have kept choppers away if they put a round through the chopper they shot at with the AK. Maybe the LAPD would have needed greater distance between = wider perimeter. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:13:37 AM EDT
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Dunno. I was leaving that for the people who do the Tac stuff to field.
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I've always wondered if Phillips and, the guy with the name I can't spell, had a Barrett, would they have been able to change their fate. How would that have changed their fates? Dunno. I was leaving that for the people who do the Tac stuff to field.
Definitely would have kept choppers away if they put a round through the chopper they shot at with the AK. Maybe the LAPD would have needed greater distance between = wider perimeter. I doubt that a .50BMG, particularly give its size and weight, would have change anything. In the context of what those guys were doing, it would have done nothing that their automatic rifles weren't doing already. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:29:13 AM EDT
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You don't have Steady Aim and Hardline Pro? You probably don't even have Blind Eye......noob Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The reality is . Better shooting. Any used centerfire hunting rifle and the event ends quickly. Hell one Mosin and the shooting is over. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Ah, gunfights are easy, got it. You don't have Steady Aim and Hardline Pro? You probably don't even have Blind Eye......noob I only haz Nintendo DS.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:53:49 AM EDT
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Some more detailed info on the event.
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Larry_Phillips,_Jr._and_Emil_M%C4%83t%C4%83s%C4%83reanu |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:30:22 PM EDT
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I remember watching the shootout live on tv.
I also remember the last time I was in the B&B gunshop. They had 5,000 round cases of CCI Mini-Mags on sale (50 plastic boxes of 100) for $99.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:30:24 PM EDT
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Can't imagine going into a gunfight with an unsighted / boresighted rifle - especially when that's considered "the best" option. Sounds like a pretty wild day. Very fortunate that nobody was killed.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:46:48 PM EDT
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Did gun stores have 30 round AR mags for sale in California in 1997? Or were they for sale only to special LEOs? CA folks can correct me if I am wrong but I believe the large capacity magazine restrictions did not take effect till January 1, 2000. That is correct. A lot of 30-rounders were sold in 1999. In 1999 I stocked up on mags for guns I didn't even own, knowing I would eventually own them. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:59:27 PM EDT
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The big question is what ever happened to all the money they stole did they recover all of it?
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Posted: 11/17/2014 1:21:26 PM EDT
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He was doped up on muscle relaxers and other narcotics, IIRC. He would have been pinned and kept fighting. As it was he was unpinned and kept fighting. That made all the difference in the world because, as we all know, a fixed target is a lot harder to hit than a mobile target. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 1:57:57 PM EDT
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All the LAPD had to do was run the fuckers over with a car.End of story. I'd imagine the volunteer list to drive the car wasn't very long with automatic fire coming their way. Go to 2:27 and watch.All those guys had to do was ram the truck into the car, bad guy squashed, end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SJi7G_QY0#t=147
He was doped up on muscle relaxers and other narcotics, IIRC. He would have been pinned and kept fighting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout "Before entering, they took the barbiturate phenobarbital, prescribed to Matasareanu as an anticonvulsant, to calm their nerves." I have not heard of other drugs in my reading. Do you have a source? |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 1:59:08 PM EDT
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I read somewhere they had been arressted a few weeks prior with smoke grenades and some other stuff but were released on bail. Imagine if that had started throwing smoke during the fire fight.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 2:05:54 PM EDT
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I read somewhere they had been arressted a few weeks prior with smoke grenades and some other stuff but were released on bail. Imagine if that had started throwing smoke during the fire fight. <shudder> |
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