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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:19:42 AM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember seeing an ad for the national guard at a movie theatre around 2005-2008 claiming that the militia/minute men who rose up to fight a tyrannical government during the Revolutionary War were actually the National guard (despite the National Guard not existing for another 130+ years). I guess resisting a tyrannical govt back then was….different. Anyways until they take action against a duly elected and constitutionally lawful government, I don’t see the conflict. Umm, perhaps you might be off a little... Although I disagree with the combat reserve part. Especially since I spent more time in combat than some of my active duty brothers. Established in 1636, the Army National Guard is the oldest component of the U.S. Armed Forces and serves as the primary combat reserve of the U.S. Army. The Army National Guard has played a significant role in all of America's wars and major contingencies since the birth of the nation. During the 20th century, the Army National Guard became an essential part of the U.S. Army, transitioning into a highly lethal combat force able to meet the requirements of the National Military Strategy and National Defense Strategy. it's official! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:28:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Hey y'all - as you may have figured out - I am the guy in the article. My organization is overtly public. I have never said or advocated for anything illegal, immoral, or unethical - and I never will. If any of you have any questions about this, I will be happy to answer them. @dan_abbott Welcome to the forums. Some questions good sir. How do you feel about imitation crab meat? Beans or no beans in chili? Have a good one! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:30:21 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish my AO had a unit like that around. I'd join in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:47:55 AM EST
[#4]
 Thank you, Dan. Our country needs more patriots like you and Alex, especially in the armed forces. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:00:53 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you, Dan. Our country needs more patriots like you and Alex, especially in the armed forces. Agreed. Keep on! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:03:47 AM EST
[#6]
I love Virginia and also OST
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:05:36 AM EST
[#7]
Those are exactly the right questions!!!
As far as joining or forming kind of a little bit of both. Technically joined but got in on the ground floor. For the sake of this discussion I'm going to use the word "constitutional Militia" to differentiate from the negative rap that Militia has gotten. I think there are three tenants of Constitution Militia that are requirements. One comes right out of Virginia code section 44-1 us title 10 and the second half of the second amendment. It's the idea that constitutional Militia is made up of the whole body of the people, all of the military aged or able-bodied men and women. The second is that it must be present in every community in America. Because it's not just gunfighting it's a community support organization. The third is that it must be led by the finest men and women in the community those who are already identified as leaders in our culture and in our community. Pastors of churches mayors of towns Chiefs of volunteer fire departments boards of supervisors members businessmen and merchants and lawyers and doctors. In light of that the first step should be to form a Muster committee in an effort to select the best time location and optics for a public militia muster. It's also essential that the constitutionally enshrined word militia is used. I'm done yielding language to the left and cowering before them. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:05:52 AM EST
[#8]
I may be getting the names confused, but there was a list going around of dudes who got flagged by the FBI out of the VA Guard for the inauguration event back in '21. That wasn't you in that dozen was it?
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:06:53 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If he was serious, he would have kept his mouth shut. This Yeah the founding fathers should have been a mime troop... |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:07:53 AM EST
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Quoted: I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Dan a few times. He is a true patriot, and an inspiration for anyone that wants to be a real leader in their community. There are a few militias in our (still) great state that have done it right, CCM and Bedford both are fantastic examples of what every county in Virginia should replicate. This type of targeted attack on law abiding men who love their country and the constitution will continue. They hate me like Dan for the same reasons that I admire him. I've seen this forum provided amazing support for causes less worthy than this, glad to see you here. Quoted: Alright, just been thinking about some action items for anyone interested. Obviously, Dan and Alex are going to fight this hard. There's really no backing down at this point. This article was obviously designed to pressure the .gov to take punitive actions against them, and it would be to our shame as a community if we let that happen quietly. If you could tweet at (or DM on Instagram) influencers who might be willing to pick up this story (Mrgunsngear, Dirty Civilian, Warrior Poet Society, even guys like Crowder) that would be awesome. Contact anyone you know who has a platform who might be willing to pick this up. DM directly with details and I'll make sure all the right connections are made. Here are some links in no particular order: Dirty Civ Mrgunsngear Crowder T Rex Arms Warrior Poet Society Nick Freitas (could be a bit more receptive) Again, these are just a few off the top of my head. Funny enough, over the last month we've been trying to gameplan a strategy to mainstream the militia concept/ethos (yeah, it's idealistic--I know) and try to create framework that's easy to replicate so communities who want to form similar organizations already have a basic structure and formula to follow. This all goes towards that. But at the moment, we need to get this on the radar of some people who can help Dan and Alex get their message out because I fucking refuse to let this die quietly while their careers and reputations get destroyed by evil men. Also I really want to ratio the original tweet: Article tweet Well clearly with both of your support, the organization is better.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:10:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @dan_abbott Welcome to the forums. Some questions good sir. How do you feel about imitation crab meat? Beans or no beans in chili? Have a good one! I don't believe in anything that's imitation if it's not The real McCoy I'm not interested. How can it be chili if it doesn't have beans?? Those things are a superfood. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:12:13 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I may be getting the names confused, but there was a list going around of dudes who got flagged by the FBI out of the VA Guard for the inauguration event back in '21. That wasn't you in that dozen was it? Yes it was, but I wasn't flagged, in fact the Pentagon audited my secret security clearance and confirmed it, authorized the reissue of my law enforcement credentials, and further stated that they could find no fault with me or the organization which I represent. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:12:43 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish my AO had a unit like that around. I'd join in a heartbeat. +1 |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:17:41 AM EST
[#14]
I'm seeing a lot of people saying that they would join a group like that if they had one in their area.
If not you, who? if not now, when?? Your country's burning around you now is the time!!! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:18:55 AM EST
[#15]
I'm seeing a lot of people saying that they would join a group like that if they had one in their area.
If not you, who? if not now, when?? Your country's burning around you now is the time!!! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:25:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm, perhaps you might be off a little... Although I disagree with the combat reserve part. Especially since I spent more time in combat than some of my active duty brothers. Established in 1636, the Army National Guard is the oldest component of the U.S. Armed Forces and serves as the primary combat reserve of the U.S. Army. The Army National Guard has played a significant role in all of America's wars and major contingencies since the birth of the nation. During the 20th century, the Army National Guard became an essential part of the U.S. Army, transitioning into a highly lethal combat force able to meet the requirements of the National Military Strategy and National Defense Strategy. it's official! While I'm well aware of what the national guard's website says, they weren't actually established until the passage of the Militia Act of 1903 (aka Dick Act). The only reason the NG cites 1636 is because that was the year that Massachusetts Bay revised their militia law (the Pilgrims mandated military training about four months after they landed) and the Massachusetts militia fought at Lexington and Concord. Virginia actually passed the first militia law in the New World in 1607/1608. The National Guard is a component of the militia - often referred to as the "organized militia"- and they are sworn to the Governor of their state first. They can be federalized with the permission of the Governor, but they don't necessarily have to be. However, for every $1 VA contributes to the VANG, the federal govt contributes $27, so the guard has effectively been bought out by the federal govt. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:27:40 AM EST
[#17]
BTW - this is Alexandra Griffeth, and I just graduated with my masters in American History with a focus on the Revolution. I wrote my thesis on how the colonial militia were actually very effective combat troops when utilized correctly. And yes, I am a very good shooter.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:10:36 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While I'm well aware of what the national guard's website says, they weren't actually established until the passage of the Militia Act of 1903 (aka Dick Act). The only reason the NG cites 1636 is because that was the year that Massachusetts Bay revised their militia law (the Pilgrims mandated military training about four months after they landed) and the Massachusetts militia fought at Lexington and Concord. Virginia actually passed the first militia law in the New World in 1607/1608. The National Guard is a component of the militia - often referred to as the "organized militia"- and they are sworn to the Governor of their state first. They can be federalized with the permission of the Governor, but they don't necessarily have to be. However, for every $1 VA contributes to the VANG, the federal govt contributes $27, so the guard has effectively been bought out by the federal govt.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:32:05 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW - this is Alexandra Griffeth, and I just graduated with my masters in American History with a focus on the Revolution. I wrote my thesis on how the colonial militia were actually very effective combat troops when utilized correctly. And yes, I am a very good shooter. Welcome! Glad to have you here.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:36:40 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe in anything that's imitation if it's not The real McCoy I'm not interested. How can it be chili if it doesn't have beans?? Those things are a superfood. Based bean Virginian! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:41:52 AM EST
[#21]
Would have been way better if it was Lt. Dan, I think.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:47:04 AM EST
[#22]
So much win in this thread.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:52:15 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe in anything that's imitation if it's not The real McCoy I'm not interested. How can it be chili if it doesn't have beans?? Those things are a superfood. He gets it!  chili has beans |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:55:29 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW - this is Alexandra Griffeth, and I just graduated with my masters in American History with a focus on the Revolution. I wrote my thesis on how the colonial militia were actually very effective combat troops when utilized correctly. And yes, I am a very good shooter. Welcome aboard. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:06:08 PM EST
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In June, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth issued a new policy clarifying that soldiers are forbidden from participating in radical causes, including anti-government activity. As far as the Democrats are concerned that means protesting against a stolen election that they won, voting Republican or speaking up at a school board meeting. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:18:11 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW - this is Alexandra Griffeth, and I just graduated with my masters in American History with a focus on the Revolution. I wrote my thesis on how the colonial militia were actually very effective combat troops when utilized correctly. And yes, I am a very good shooter. Welcome! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:25:29 PM EST
[#27]
In on this thread. Damn I love being a Virginian.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:28:57 PM EST
[#28]
I guess my question on the militia side of this is...I see from googling about being recognized by your local county as a militia.
Soooo...What happens when the County wants your help, and your Guard unit activates you. Or you're federally activated. For those of us who are compo 2/3, isn't the problem here that this still boils down to 'you can only pick one person' when push comes to shove? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:30:06 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Welcome aboard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: BTW - this is Alexandra Griffeth, and I just graduated with my masters in American History with a focus on the Revolution. I wrote my thesis on how the colonial militia were actually very effective combat troops when utilized correctly. And yes, I am a very good shooter. Welcome aboard. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:38:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are exactly the right questions!!! As far as joining or forming kind of a little bit of both. Technically joined but got in on the ground floor. For the sake of this discussion I'm going to use the word "constitutional Militia" to differentiate from the negative rap that Militia has gotten. I think there are three tenants of Constitution Militia that are requirements. One comes right out of Virginia code section 44-1 us title 10 and the second half of the second amendment. It's the idea that constitutional Militia is made up of the whole body of the people, all of the military aged or able-bodied men and women. The second is that it must be present in every community in America. Because it's not just gunfighting it's a community support organization. The third is that it must be led by the finest men and women in the community those who are already identified as leaders in our culture and in our community. Pastors of churches mayors of towns Chiefs of volunteer fire departments boards of supervisors members businessmen and merchants and lawyers and doctors. In light of that the first step should be to form a Muster committee in an effort to select the best time location and optics for a public militia muster. It's also essential that the constitutionally enshrined word militia is used. I'm done yielding language to the left and cowering before them. Welcome. I noticed you’d that you left LE out of potential leadership candidates, how are the police in your area? I’m not throwing shit balls, just generally curious. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:39:03 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect as long as the government does not act tyrannical, there shouldnt be any reason for concern. Sounds kosher to me. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:48:59 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole article is innuendo without any specific examples. Of course it is. Journalism is all about connecting the dots to further an agenda. It does not matter if the dots are miles away from each other, they will be connected. In the same time frame this "journalist" went looking for extremism under rocks, "most peaceful" riots and mayhem was tearing apart the country on livestream. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:53:25 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW - this is Alexandra Griffeth, and I just graduated with my masters in American History with a focus on the Revolution. I wrote my thesis on how the colonial militia were actually very effective combat troops when utilized correctly. And yes, I am a very good shooter. I checked out some of your scores, you were (are) good. Do you still shoot Sport or Air Pistol? Who did you shoot for in college? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:56:45 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are exactly the right questions!!! As far as joining or forming kind of a little bit of both. Technically joined but got in on the ground floor. For the sake of this discussion I'm going to use the word "constitutional Militia" to differentiate from the negative rap that Militia has gotten. I think there are three tenants of Constitution Militia that are requirements. One comes right out of Virginia code section 44-1 us title 10 and the second half of the second amendment. It's the idea that constitutional Militia is made up of the whole body of the people, all of the military aged or able-bodied men and women. The second is that it must be present in every community in America. Because it's not just gunfighting it's a community support organization. The third is that it must be led by the finest men and women in the community those who are already identified as leaders in our culture and in our community. Pastors of churches mayors of towns Chiefs of volunteer fire departments boards of supervisors members businessmen and merchants and lawyers and doctors. In light of that the first step should be to form a Muster committee in an effort to select the best time location and optics for a public militia muster. It's also essential that the constitutionally enshrined word militia is used. I'm done yielding language to the left and cowering before them. @dan_abbott Thank you for that! How do you vet your people? What would be the top 3-5 critical skills that you would recommend a member to learn/study/master before, or as soon, as they join up? What are the primary pieces of equipment that a member must have to be effective from the beginning? If your members are deficient in a particular area, how does your unit help correct the deficit? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:58:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as the Democrats are concerned that means protesting against a stolen election that they won, voting Republican or speaking up at a school board meeting. Quote HistoryQuoted: In June, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth issued a new policy clarifying that soldiers are forbidden from participating in radical causes, including anti-government activity. As far as the Democrats are concerned that means protesting against a stolen election that they won, voting Republican or speaking up at a school board meeting. You being alive and breathing is an anti government activity to them. Are you going to stop? Remember, these are the people who wanted to take away peoples children to rape and abuse them, while putting you and your spouse in a concentration camp, for not taking an unproven vaccine. Become ungovernable
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:06:52 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't remember details but doesn't the VA constitution call for and allow the formation of a local militia? Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't remember details but doesn't the VA constitution call for and allow the formation of a local militia? Quoted: There is only One official state militia and it's not armed. Virginia Defense Force. They mostly train for disaster relief like floods and such. All the ones I met were old retired military people. https://vdf.virginia.gov/ Some fancy pants will likely bad mouth them, but hey....they did serve. My Karate teacher was one and a former Marine. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/section44-1/ § 44-1. Composition of militia. The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able bodied residents of the Commonwealth who are citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons resident in the Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least 16 years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of age. The militia shall be divided into three classes: the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard; the Virginia Defense Force; and the unorganized militia. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/section44-4/ § 44-4. Composition of unorganized militia. The unorganized militia shall consist of all able-bodied persons as set out in § 44-1, except such as may be included in §§ 44-2 and 44-54.6 and except such as may be exempted as hereinafter provided. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:14:32 PM EST
[#37]
Can we get a local militia sub forum?
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:19:17 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I checked out some of your scores, you were (are) good. Do you still shoot Sport or Air Pistol? Who did you shoot for in college? I shot for Missouri State. I had no shooting experience prior to learning the university had a team and thinking "that looks fun." In 2007 I won the collegiate nationals for sport pistol, which put me on the US National Team, so I shot with them for a while. I don't still shoot air or sport, mostly because I switched to shooting the military matches. I'm distinguished pistol, two points away from being distinguished rifle, and Chief's 50. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:20:14 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we get a local militia sub forum? Let's go! I'm new to this site and don't know how to set it up, but if y'all think it would be helpful to get militias set up in your localities, let's do it |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:22:32 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In on this thread. Damn I love being a Virginian. Virginia has been very special for 400 years |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:26:54 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like he's serious not the usual 350lb + militia member Im 280 but big boned. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:34:41 PM EST
[#42]
Welcome to all the new VA members.
Sounds like yall will be a wealth of knowledge. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:01:57 PM EST
[#43]
Welcome to the both of you. Even though I'm two states away I'll be following this thread with interest. Be advised that it won't be long before the thread-sliders and trolls will be along to try and throw a wrench in the gears. Please ignore them when they make their appearance. I applaud what you are doing and will be checking out your organization.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:05:36 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect as long as the government does not act tyrannical, there shouldnt be any reason for concern. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:10:59 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's go! I'm new to this site and don't know how to set it up, but if y'all think it would be helpful to get militias set up in your localities, let's do it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can we get a local militia sub forum? Let's go! I'm new to this site and don't know how to set it up, but if y'all think it would be helpful to get militias set up in your localities, let's do it This. I have been looking for a Louisiana unit for a *long* time. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:20:42 PM EST
[#46]
4 first time post accounts in one thread. This has to be a record.
Free bump |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:28:10 PM EST
[#47]
Wait... I remember this USA...
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:30:47 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I shot for Missouri State. I had no shooting experience prior to learning the university had a team and thinking "that looks fun." In 2007 I won the collegiate nationals for sport pistol, which put me on the US National Team, so I shot with them for a while. I don't still shoot air or sport, mostly because I switched to shooting the military matches. I'm distinguished pistol, two points away from being distinguished rifle, and Chief's 50. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I checked out some of your scores, you were (are) good. Do you still shoot Sport or Air Pistol? Who did you shoot for in college? I shot for Missouri State. I had no shooting experience prior to learning the university had a team and thinking "that looks fun." In 2007 I won the collegiate nationals for sport pistol, which put me on the US National Team, so I shot with them for a while. I don't still shoot air or sport, mostly because I switched to shooting the military matches. I'm distinguished pistol, two points away from being distinguished rifle, and Chief's 50. Very cool. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:31:08 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I have been looking for a Louisiana unit for a *long* time. So let's set up the sub forum and whoever wants to learn how to get it set up where they live can discuss in there. Like I said, Dan and I are new to this site but we both want to help get this set up nationwide. Alternatively I can set up a group in Signal where I can share PDFs/docs and I can post the invite in here. Whatever works to get the job done |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:31:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait... I remember this USA... Everything good in this country has always started in Virginia. |
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