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Posted: 1/7/2020 9:58:44 AM EST
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Insane that ford sold more trucks in 2.5 weeks than nissan did for the entire year. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:14:10 AM EST
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I wonder how many people are like me...drive a truck over 10 years old and getting close to 200k miles, want a new one, but are too cheap to buy one.
Maybe Kia will make a truck in a couple of years 
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:18:53 AM EST
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I wonder how many people are like me...drive a truck over 10 years old and getting close to 200k miles, want a new one, but are too cheap to buy one. Maybe Kia will make a truck in a couple of years There are some decently priced new trucks out there, you just have to stay away from the options that drive up the prices. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:21:32 AM EST
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As for the Prius, personal experience and statistics show them to be ultra-reliable, low maintenance vehicles.
I wonder if the decline is a combination of people who are likely to buy a Prius already own one that is still going strong mixed with the availability of a Corolla hybrid. I love my Prii (both of them). Not happy to see such a steep drop off. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:22:59 AM EST
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow.
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:25:03 AM EST
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Anyone know when toyota will release their next set of rebates/deals since the last ones ended yesterday?
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:25:38 AM EST
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mass market buyers buying some boring shit
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:26:57 AM EST
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Especially when you hook a load to it, that's where the odyssey really shines, well that and the four-wheel and awd capability. Just like a 3/4 ton SUV but with more convenience.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what you are saying is that now is a great time to buy a Honda or Toyota minivan? |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:27:05 AM EST
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:33:33 AM EST
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My company will be contributing to Ranger sales for this year. Delivery date is scheduled for sometime in Q1.
Was supposed to happen last year but someone ordered the wrong color. These will be for our field sales group, which is somewhere around 170 people IIRC. Not my first choice, but if someone else is rooting the bill I'll drive it wherever they want me to. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:33:57 AM EST
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As for the Prius, personal experience and statistics show them to be ultra-reliable, low maintenance vehicles. I wonder if the decline is a combination of people who are likely to buy a Prius already own one that is still going strong mixed with the availability of a Corolla hybrid. I love my Prii (both of them). Not happy to see such a steep drop off. Buyers are trending toward “normal” hybrids (Camry, Corolla,etc). This will sounds trite, but the virtue that they signal is becoming more common and losing value. A pure electric move would regain the Prius mojo. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:42:12 AM EST
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Very valid points depending on the balance of your needs. I'm primarily people-hauling, going off-road never, and towing maybe once a year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what you are saying is that now is a great time to buy a Honda or Toyota minivan? But, it's their money and they can do what they want. If we all only bought what we needed, the world would be no fun. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:50:13 AM EST
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You are wrong. I've put 215,000 and 230,000 miles on the vehicles your listing respectively below. Driving one right now with 90,000 miles and zero problems and zero maintenance cost other than air filters, oil changes and gasoline. Very few issues with any Toyota. These things are appliances compared to our Dodge 3/4 ton pickup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Mine was a total piece of shit, not counting the no power, shit mileage, and even shittier range. What a total fuck stain of a truck. Eta: Tundras and Tacomas sell because of fanboiism and a false reputation, honestly their reliability is a myth. Hell Landcruisers of all years can barely make it to 150k without major work, same for the older Tacomas/4Runners/Tundras etc... Eta: Not saying they can’t make it longer than 150, but it’s a milestone for sure. My 4Runner had 230k with a supercharger, but 2nd motor, 3rd transmission. And that is very common for a 3.4l. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:52:46 AM EST
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I wonder how many people are like me...drive a truck over 10 years old and getting close to 200k miles, want a new one, but are too cheap to buy one. Maybe Kia will make a truck in a couple of years |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:54:24 AM EST
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I recently bought a used car (2017) I wonder how that has affected the market? 2020 should be more interesting as Ford has eliminated many of its car models (in the US, but not abroad  )
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:56:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There have been a few articles recently on the decline. Buyers are trending toward “normal” hybrids (Camry, Corolla,etc). This will sounds trite, but the virtue that they signal is becoming more common and losing value. A pure electric move would regain the Prius mojo. When I got my new one I looked at the Corolla hybrid. It didn't feel as it was as well thought out. As for pure electric, I can see that. I was very close to getting the Prius Prime (which isn't full electric, but is a plug-in hybrid). |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:57:43 AM EST
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I was reading in my new Haggerty magazine that Ford was selling 5 F150s for every car they sold.
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Posted: 1/7/2020 10:59:17 AM EST
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I wonder how many people are like me...drive a truck over 10 years old and getting close to 200k miles, want a new one, but are too cheap to buy one. Maybe Kia will make a truck in a couple of years 
Plus the newer trucks are too long to fit in my garage without significant mods. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:00:47 AM EST
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It's interesting to see an 89k unit spread between the canyon and Colorado
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:06:48 AM EST
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Nissan putting a damn cvt transmission in every car and cuv they make will be the end of them. No half way informed shopper wants a cvt transmission. Worst fucking idea ever in the car industry. Hyundai/Kia, are you listening? No cvt’s! Far too late for that, however we only have them in small vehicles, and they are totally a in-house designed and built transmission like pretty much all of our Transmissions No Jatco shit to speak of They also almost feel like normal automatic transmissions because they fake shift, they have eight false gears |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:11:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No cvts? Far too late for that, however we only have them in small vehicles, and they are totally a in-house designed and built transmission like pretty much all of our Transmissions No Jatco shit to speak of They also almost feel like normal automatic transmissions because they fake shift, they have eight false gears
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:13:55 AM EST
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We're thinking about picking up a RAV4 as a family vehicle, just to be like everyone else looks like, at least those that don't have a truck.
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:15:09 AM EST
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The price of automobiles is too damn high
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:17:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you driven by a Nissan lately. We have one near our house and whenever we drive past it a lot of times you cannot even tell if they are open. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:19:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what you're saying is they completely eliminated the entire point of having a CVT in the first place? It's only when you really hammer on it is when it feels like an 8-speed Every vehicle we have it and has the increased gas mileage The 2020 Rio for instance went from 37 Highway to now 41 |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:25:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Toyota Tundra... The best truck of 2007! Now with new body panels! Still the same as it's been underneath for the past decade! |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:27:07 AM EST
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I don't believe that the Equinox outsold the Camry even for a second.  |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:36:51 AM EST
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SHOCKED at the Tundra numbers considering it's the best pickup on the road. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:37:58 AM EST
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow.  I traded my 16 for a 19 just for the trans. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:39:32 AM EST
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I wonder how many people are like me...drive a truck over 10 years old and getting close to 200k miles, want a new one, but are too cheap to buy one. Maybe Kia will make a truck in a couple of years |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:47:01 AM EST
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... Don't get me wrong, I'll be one of the first to call out Toyota for selling the same old ass truck since 2007 and point out all the ways it's no longer competitive, but looking at the above sales numbers and knowing Toyota doesn't really offer incentives, it's not like Toyota is getting hurt. It's a pretty safe bet they make the best margins per unit sold. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:50:41 AM EST
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Anyone know when toyota will release their next set of rebates/deals since the last ones ended yesterday? |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:56:30 AM EST
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Ive got 180k on my 4runner and looking at new cars and trucks again , but im cheap too. I may end up buying a used Camry as a DD and keep the runnner for a few more years just because.
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Posted: 1/7/2020 12:01:17 PM EST
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I'm a Ford F150 guy, I love mine.
But recently my brother and one of my good friends purchased Ram pickups and I have to say that I'm impressed - probably not enough for me to make a switch, but I'd sure give the new Rams a hard look. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 2:27:35 PM EST
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If it works why change it? My 2019 tundra is awesome Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The Toyota Tundra... The best truck of 2007! Now with new body panels! Still the same as it's been underneath for the past decade! The Tundra really was the best half ton on the market from ~2007-2012 or so. Today, compared to the Big 3, the Tundra offers a 1 ton price tag, 3/4 ton fuel consumption, and capabilities that lag the 1/2 tons, all while offering the worst in class crash protection and missing features and options available elsewhere. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 2:33:46 PM EST
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SHOCKED at the Tundra numbers considering it's the best pickup on the road. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 2:38:13 PM EST
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you do realize that it actually can't pull a space shuttle.. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 3:01:19 PM EST
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you do realize that it actually can't pull a space shuttle.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SHOCKED at the Tundra numbers considering it's the best pickup on the road.
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Posted: 1/7/2020 3:41:36 PM EST
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Surprised the charger is up 20%, seems like everyone wants a challenger over it. It and mustang GT’s are the car of choice for young Hispanic and Indian males. As in, nothing else comes close. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 3:55:21 PM EST
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Not ready to sell my Mazda with 117,000 miles. It runs like new. Don't want to spend the money for a 3 year old Highlander.
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Posted: 1/7/2020 5:43:15 PM EST
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Why? Nissan is fucking awful and no one expects a serious 1/2 ton truck from them. The problem is that Nissan didn't build that with the Titan. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 5:47:12 PM EST
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I think there is a market for a reliable cheaper full size truck. Even if it doesn't get the best gas mileage, or is the most comfortable, or isn't completely bullet proof. It could have a few creature comforts modern cars are expected to have. The problem is that Nissan didn't build that with the Titan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why? Nissan is fucking awful and no one expects a serious 1/2 ton truck from them. The problem is that Nissan didn't build that with the Titan. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 5:49:18 PM EST
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You basically just described the Tundra sans cheaper. The cars and trucks that sold the best tended to be cheaper out the door, right (minus extenuating circumstances like poor GM quality/looks)? |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 5:51:38 PM EST
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Yes I did. The Toyota price tag is holding the tundra back IMO. Even if you can justify it by thinking it's bullet proof, I think the price wins in the end. The cars and trucks that sold the best tended to be cheaper out the door, right (minus extenuating circumstances like poor GM quality/looks)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You basically just described the Tundra sans cheaper. The cars and trucks that sold the best tended to be cheaper out the door, right (minus extenuating circumstances like poor GM quality/looks)? |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 6:07:26 PM EST
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Lots of people can afford a 15-30k car. Not a lot can afford a 40-60k truck that's using 15 year old technology and looks. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 6:48:37 PM EST
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Yes sir. Add to that, Toyota doesn't usually deal off their MSRP too much. Makes it hard to compare out the door prices, but I suspect Ram wins on that front. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of people can afford a 15-30k car. Not a lot can afford a 40-60k truck that's using 15 year old technology and looks. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 6:54:10 PM EST
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So what you're saying is they completely eliminated the entire point of having a CVT in the first place? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No cvts? Far too late for that, however we only have them in small vehicles, and they are totally a in-house designed and built transmission like pretty much all of our Transmissions No Jatco shit to speak of They also almost feel like normal automatic transmissions because they fake shift, they have eight false gears I'd be happy to have a CVT, with the hope I could turn bullshit like that off. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 7:54:25 PM EST
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Yes I did. The Toyota price tag is holding the tundra back IMO. Even if you can justify it by thinking it's bullet proof, I think the price wins in the end. The cars and trucks that sold the best tended to be cheaper out the door, right (minus extenuating circumstances like poor GM quality/looks)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You basically just described the Tundra sans cheaper. The cars and trucks that sold the best tended to be cheaper out the door, right (minus extenuating circumstances like poor GM quality/looks)? To put this in perspective, since 2013, Tundra sales have averaged 115,830 units per year, and the standard deviation over that time is 2,920 units. At ~2.5% of the average annual production, that's extremely consistent. For comparison, in that same time, F-Series sales have averaged 831,718 units per year, and the standard deviation is 68,077 units. That's a much more significant 8.2% of average annual production. When you consider all of the things that can cause downtime on a production line or encourage a manufacturer to cut shifts, the Tundra's numbers are damn near perfect. There is an argument that says Toyota is paying a massive opportunity cost by not investing in more production capacity by now. If you could go back to 2015 and magically double their capacity, how many units would they be have able to sell at current pricing? I can't answer that question, but I'd assume Toyota's business people have tried to. Toyota is expanding their truck capacity in Mexico. I don't know if that's just for the Tacoma, or if it will include the Tundra. Or maybe they move all Tacoma production to the new facility leaving San Antonio to be dedicated to the Tundra. Either way, there's a good chance we see expanded Tundra capacity and potentially bigger sales numbers in the near future. But they're never going to chase fleet sales, discounts, and incentives trying to pump up volume at the expense of margins trying to compete with the Big 3. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 5:16:24 AM EST
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That's because of the morons that drive them and think something is wrong with it because it's different than what they are used to. I'd be happy to have a CVT, with the hope I could turn bullshit like that off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: No cvts? Far too late for that, however we only have them in small vehicles, and they are totally a in-house designed and built transmission like pretty much all of our Transmissions No Jatco shit to speak of They also almost feel like normal automatic transmissions because they fake shift, they have eight false gears I'd be happy to have a CVT, with the hope I could turn bullshit like that off. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 5:37:41 AM EST
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Putting the ZF trans in their 1/2 ton trucks was the best move they ever made. Now they have a HD ZF in the HD gas models. It's a huge upgrade over the 66rfe that the HD gassers had before it. The only downside is the rotary shift knob. I traded my 16 for a 19 just for the trans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, I knew RAM trucks were on the upswing, but #2? Wow. I traded my 16 for a 19 just for the trans. Knobs are for HVAC, not transmissions. Hopefully Ram has a shifter in it's future.  Attached File Attached File |
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