[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 23% of 18-24 year olds qualify for military service only 9% interested (Page 5 of 9)
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Quoted: Serving now, on a daily basis is FAR more political than it was 37 years ago when I joined. In 1985, we didn't need to have more than 2 genders explained to us in a 2 hour class. Ad nauseum. You’ve got a bit more time in than me, though I hit 15 years this month. Besides the half day of “extremism in the ranks” we did like a year ago (which ended up being mostly people bitching about leftist bullshit), I can’t say I’ve seen much of a difference. Though, we don’t have porn in the scif anymore, and you do hear less gay jokes, so there is that. |
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Quoted: Honest questions…how old are you and have served any time in the .MIL? I ask because that cunt doesn't represent jack shit. She's a loud mouth bull dyke with a hard on for anything that's not woke. Imagine that. To get spun up about her running mouth is kind of silly. As for the breacher dudes…what's your point? Them training LE? Them mentioning some whack job barricaded in his house? Not sure what the issue is with that video. That they mentioned "prepper"? Sure, they should have said nut jub instead but let's be honest….there's a whole bunch of "preppers" that meet the nut job classification. It's a symptom of how little the anti-.mil populist right has to work with, that they are inventing their own unofficial political correctness standards fighters are supposed to abide by and struggling to find enough violations of them. While criticizing the concept at the same time. |
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Quoted: Serving now, on a daily basis is FAR more political than it was 37 years ago when I joined. In 1985, we didn't need to have more than 2 genders explained to us in a 2 hour class. Ad nauseum. Quoted: Quoted: That’s a pretty loaded question. To start, it’s a ridiculously ignorant notion that people would, or should, choose to serve or not based on who is in the WH. You may serve under 3 presidents in a single 6-year enlistment. Or that you are serving for a certain president, either. You serve the nation, and to protect and defend the constitution. These threads seem to mostly attract posters regretful they didn’t choose to serve themselves, and are now comfortable posting their anti-military drivel because the fair-weather winds are blowing in a certain direction. Serving now, on a daily basis is FAR more political than it was 37 years ago when I joined. In 1985, we didn't need to have more than 2 genders explained to us in a 2 hour class. Ad nauseum. Is that a result of where you sit on the food chain now? |
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Yea old guys in the force isn't the answer. That video is close to how I felt walking up and down the TVD in Ranger school. Sad thing was seeing the young folk looking the same, they laughed when I would fall going up and down the hills. Yet I always got up, that's the advantage some kids lack. My son is a perfectionist and gets upset when he fails. His one mile run times are 7:20-7:48 and he hates to lose. The biggest thing I learned is the getting up part and keep going when you fail. He has been running and doing push-ups and burpees at night, I told him when he quits or slows down to keep going. This week he assume duties as a element leader in Civil Air patrol and is responsible for four cadets. His first event with his new cadets is a PT test, we are putting him on the spot to see how he does. 11 pull-ups are his best thus far, I told him if I can do 11 he better not do any less. Hope he will be a much stronger and better soldier than I ever was.  |
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Quoted: You’ve got a bit more time in than me, though I hit 15 years this month. Besides the half day of “extremism in the ranks” we did like a year ago (which ended up being mostly people bitching about leftist bullshit), I can’t say I’ve seen much of a difference. Though, we don’t have porn in the scif anymore, and you do hear less gay jokes, so there is that. Quoted: You’ve got a bit more time in than me, though I hit 15 years this month. Besides the half day of “extremism in the ranks” we did like a year ago (which ended up being mostly people bitching about leftist bullshit), I can’t say I’ve seen much of a difference. Though, we don’t have porn in the scif anymore, and you do hear less gay jokes, so there is that. Over a longer period of time, you do. Quoted: Is that a result of where you sit on the food chain now? Probably, most likely. It is outrageously shocking how clueless most O-6 and above are. |
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Quoted: You've got a bit more time in than me, though I hit 15 years this month. Besides the half day of "extremism in the ranks" we did like a year ago (which ended up being mostly people bitching about leftist bullshit), I can't say I've seen much of a difference. Though, we don't have porn in the scif anymore, and you do hear less gay jokes, so there is that. |
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Quoted: I wonder how many of that 23% are being discouraged by their GWOT-vet relatives? I just spent last week holding a family member's hand while she died of cancer that even the VA agrees is connected to her Iraq service (burn pits). I don't want to subject my daughter to that. This GWOT vet has been discouraging all male and female relatives that are of or approaching enlistment age whenever they ask me about it. Nope. Go get your CDL, learn a trade, get an apprenticeship, or get a useful degree in something like IT or nursing. If you really gotta scratch the itch, then do what you gotta do, though. |
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Quoted: Youth interest in military service dropped from 13% in 2018 to 9% in 2021. Jeez, I wonder what singular event happened that might have shook the yutes confidence in the military and service to their country. I don't know. I can think of several things that happened. Which one are you focusing on? |
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Quoted: They will just go back to post VN "recruitment" tactics. I knew a guy who was busted for theft, and was given the option of going to jail or join the army. He went in under supply, lol. Attached File |
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Quoted: That's a pretty loaded question. To start, it's a ridiculously ignorant notion that people would, or should, choose to serve or not based on who is in the WH. You may serve under 3 presidents in a single 6-year enlistment. Or that you are serving for a certain president, either. You serve the nation, and to protect and defend the constitution. These threads seem to mostly attract posters regretful they didn't choose to serve themselves, and are now comfortable posting their anti-military drivel because the fair-weather winds are blowing in a certain direction. Quoted: Quoted: Do you define "patriotic" as going to die in whatever next forever war they concoct? That's a pretty loaded question. To start, it's a ridiculously ignorant notion that people would, or should, choose to serve or not based on who is in the WH. You may serve under 3 presidents in a single 6-year enlistment. Or that you are serving for a certain president, either. You serve the nation, and to protect and defend the constitution. These threads seem to mostly attract posters regretful they didn't choose to serve themselves, and are now comfortable posting their anti-military drivel because the fair-weather winds are blowing in a certain direction. lol No. |
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Quoted: One of the factors I have not seen mentioned in the thread yet are all of the athletic young men that "had ADD" in high school becuase they acted like teenage boys and were given meds the .mil considers disqualifiers. Lots of parents doctor shopped for ADD and ADHD diagnoses because it got junior extra study time and longer test time. I saw an article regarding that but off the top of my head I can’t recall the link for it. |
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Quoted: Yea old guys in the force isn't the answer. That video is close to how I felt walking up and down the TVD in Ranger school. Sad thing was seeing the young folk looking the same, they laughed when I would fall going up and down the hills. Yet I always got up, that's the advantage some kids lack. My son is a perfectionist and gets upset when he fails. His one mile run times are 7:20-7:48 and he hates to lose. The biggest thing I learned is the getting up part and keep going when you fail. He has been running and doing push-ups and burpees at night, I told him when he quits or slows down to keep going. This week he assume duties as a element leader in Civil Air patrol and is responsible for four cadets. His first event with his new cadets is a PT test, we are putting him on the spot to see how he does. 11 pull-ups are his best thus far, I told him if I can do 11 he better not do any less. Hope he will be a much stronger and better soldier than I ever was. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20856/E026C5DC-C3EC-4F4F-9B9C-EE676AB75F95-2361043.jpg My son acts the same. Parenting is far more challenging than what the military throws at you. But I’m glad to hear your encouraging him, keeping him focused and giving your best advice you can. Parenting is an unappreciated endeavor in society. 
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Quoted: Maybe the youth aren't as stupid as we thought. Who would want to go in to serve for the leadership we have now? And risk getting pulled into WW3. Exactly! One time I asked my son, he's in his twenties if he had any interest in the military. He said he had no desire to run up a hill with people shooting at him. And especially not when Sleepy Joe and the Hoe given the orders. |
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Quoted: This is the overarching sentiment I pick up in these threads from the modern conservative male. Someone else will do it, my personal safety and security is what's important. Quoted: Quoted: K-12 tailored for females. More females go to college than males but all special programs are for females. Young women make more money than young men but internships will exclude males. Managers get higher bonuses if they have fewer males. Women leave marriages 70-80% of the time and the man gets raped in the divorce. The most important criteria for the new justice was that it wasn’t a male Minorities are disproportionately represented in the military but white and Hispanic males are disproportionately represented in combat deaths. Let someone else fight for these institutions. This is the overarching sentiment I pick up in these threads from the modern conservative male. Someone else will do it, my personal safety and security is what's important. I don't think its that, I think its more they see the institutions are against them so why sacrifice for them ? |
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Quoted: You can be half-blind, but you can't be overweight!!! We need to go back to a WWII-style military... regular PT to get healthy enough to do the job, and you only improve over time. I was pissed. Went and got emt cert and eventually went to college. Come sept 2001. Stuff changed, but I was paying cash for school and wanted to get done asap. I can't say I'd join today given the totality of things. |
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Quoted: Honest questions…how old are you and have served any time in the .MIL? I ask because that cunt doesn't represent jack . She's a loud mouth bull dyke with a hard on for anything that's not woke. Imagine that. To get spun up about her running mouth is kind of silly. As for the breacher dudes…what's your point? Them training LE? Them mentioning some whack job barricaded in his house? Not sure what the issue is with that video. That they mentioned "prepper"? Sure, they should have said nut jub instead but let's be honest….there's a whole bunch of "preppers" that meet the nut job classification. Quoted: Quoted: I figured that's what you meant and I was simply pointing out that's not limited to one side of anything. It includes people who grin at the thought of martial law and getting to squash americans:
And others:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRrs6RUQsGs(the comment comes at about 40 seconds in and runs to about 52 seconds) Honest questions…how old are you and have served any time in the .MIL? I ask because that cunt doesn't represent jack . She's a loud mouth bull dyke with a hard on for anything that's not woke. Imagine that. To get spun up about her running mouth is kind of silly. As for the breacher dudes…what's your point? Them training LE? Them mentioning some whack job barricaded in his house? Not sure what the issue is with that video. That they mentioned "prepper"? Sure, they should have said nut jub instead but let's be honest….there's a whole bunch of "preppers" that meet the nut job classification. When the people at the top of the pile of the military and the intel communities tell you that you are their enemy for being what is completely normal and start putting out recruitment ads targeted at the portion of our society that hate you and hate the good stuff about what the country was as founded and the good things about what it is ... Yeah. you notice, you'd be an idiot not to. Especially when you know from reading and listening to a bit of history how control of a nation or federation's military is sought and how they can flip and become hostile and be used against the people under that government. We are showing the signs of that and have been since at an absolute minimum obama's era in power. The us versus them between those in control at the top of the military and in politics became physically manifested in an unmissable way in DC after the 6th with the walls and the military encampment there. The general direction of the military is away from being friendly towards america and towards being hostile and revolutionary. ETA: and I didn't say it because it's so obvious ... that doesn't mean I think everyone in the military or even a simple majority of them think and feel that way. The rot seems worse up top, among the people who pull the levers. |
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Quoted: The general direction of the military is away from being friendly towards america and towards being hostile and revolutionary. Respectfully, you say that after admitting you haven’t worn the uniform a day in your life. Maybe, less right wing fake news rage-bait, and more people still in uniform telling you like it is? |
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Quoted: Respectfully, you say that after admitting you haven’t worn the uniform a day in your life. Maybe, less right wing fake news rage-bait, and more people still in uniform telling you like it is? Quoted: Quoted: The general direction of the military is away from being friendly towards america and towards being hostile and revolutionary. Respectfully, you say that after admitting you haven’t worn the uniform a day in your life. Maybe, less right wing fake news rage-bait, and more people still in uniform telling you like it is? I don't see why you'd think I wouldn't listen, and why, if you thought what I said was wrong, wouldn't you quote those bits, and show how they are, instead of just assuming it must be that I'm reading "rage-bait." I don't particularly like being forced to think of our military on the whole as being captured by the stupid wild eyed leftists, but that is what I see happening. I also read posts from other guys who do say they served and their family always has and they are telling their kids and relatives to not join. How the heck am I supposed to take it when it's reported on this board and confirmed elsewhere that military brass are subverting - intentionally - the authority of the commander in chief, such that the user who reported it has either had to change names or quit being on the site all togehter, and that others on the site who, as far as I can tell are what they say the are, all act like it's quite real, and they're reporting it to people in the command structure who's job it is to be something like a military internal investigator? Or when the fools that run DC can manage to get the military to come there and turn the place into an armed camp because of a stupid half-riot in the capitol building when I don't recall any such thing after there were literal bombs blown up in the hill sometime in ... it was either the 70s or 80s. Denmark stinks. Tell me how it doesn't and I'm wrong by taking what I've said and handling it honestly and openly. |
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Quoted: I don't see why you'd think I wouldn't listen, and why, if you thought what I said was wrong, wouldn't you quote those bits, and show how they are, instead of just assuming it must be that I'm reading "rage-bait." I don't particularly like being forced to think of our military on the whole as being captured by the stupid wild eyed leftists, but that is what I see happening. I also read posts from other guys who do say they served and their family always has and they are telling their kids and relatives to not join. How the heck am I supposed to take it when it's reported on this board and confirmed elsewhere that military brass are subverting - intentionally - the authority of the commander in chief, such that the user who reported it has either had to change names or quit being on the site all togehter, and that others on the site who, as far as I can tell are what they say the are, all act like it's quite real, and they're reporting it to people in the command structure who's job it is to be something like a military internal investigator? Or when the fools that run DC can manage to get the military to come there and turn the place into an armed camp because of a stupid half-riot in the capitol building when I don't recall any such thing after there were literal bombs blown up in the hill sometime in ... it was either the 70s or 80s. Denmark stinks. Tell me how it doesn't and I'm wrong by taking what I've said and handling it honestly and openly. As simply as I can put it, the staff officers and support peons who have time to worry about such things, are a small , but clearly vocal and visible, part of the military. There very well may a whole bunch of SJW progressive bullshit in their corner of the DoD, but that is the exception rather than the norm. And as always, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, or something. If you join the military to do… uniquely military things… you and your unit likely don’t have time for all the bullshit. |
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Quoted: That’s a pretty loaded question. To start, it’s a ridiculously ignorant notion that people would, or should, choose to serve or not based on who is in the WH. You may serve under 3 presidents in a single 6-year enlistment. Or that you are serving for a certain president, either. You serve the nation, and to protect and defend the constitution. These threads seem to mostly attract posters regretful they didn’t choose to serve themselves, and are now comfortable posting their anti-military drivel because the fair-weather winds are blowing in a certain direction. Quoted: Quoted: Do you define "patriotic" as going to die in whatever next forever war they concoct? That’s a pretty loaded question. To start, it’s a ridiculously ignorant notion that people would, or should, choose to serve or not based on who is in the WH. You may serve under 3 presidents in a single 6-year enlistment. Or that you are serving for a certain president, either. You serve the nation, and to protect and defend the constitution. These threads seem to mostly attract posters regretful they didn’t choose to serve themselves, and are now comfortable posting their anti-military drivel because the fair-weather winds are blowing in a certain direction. ?? So I regretfully didn't serve but have this CIB for some reason ??? Lied into the last wars wont allow my sons to be lied into another. If the country was invaded sure, but to keep fighting half assed proxy wars around the world and used as cannon fodder for political gain like the past 70 years, no. Have at it hero. |
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Quoted: ?? I didn't serve but have this CIB for some reason. Lied into the last wars wont allow my sons to be lied into another. If the country was invaded sure, but to keep fighting half assed proxy wars around the world and used as cannon fodder for political gain like the past 70 years, no. Have at it hero. I saw your tank. I wasn’t referring to you. And I’ll concede your point about playing global police. It has merit. At least more merit than the point from those who didn’t serve justifying their regret by claiming the military is nothing more than a SJW experiment these days. |
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Quoted: As simply as I can put it, the staff officers and support peons who have time to worry about such things, are a small, but clearly vocal and visible, part of the military. There very well may a whole bunch of SJW progressive bullshit in their corner of the DoD, but that is the exception rather than the norm. And as always, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, or something. If you join the military to do… uniquely military things… you and your unit likely don’t have time for all the bullshit. Quoted: Quoted: I don't see why you'd think I wouldn't listen, and why, if you thought what I said was wrong, wouldn't you quote those bits, and show how they are, instead of just assuming it must be that I'm reading "rage-bait." I don't particularly like being forced to think of our military on the whole as being captured by the stupid wild eyed leftists, but that is what I see happening. I also read posts from other guys who do say they served and their family always has and they are telling their kids and relatives to not join. How the heck am I supposed to take it when it's reported on this board and confirmed elsewhere that military brass are subverting - intentionally - the authority of the commander in chief, such that the user who reported it has either had to change names or quit being on the site all togehter, and that others on the site who, as far as I can tell are what they say the are, all act like it's quite real, and they're reporting it to people in the command structure who's job it is to be something like a military internal investigator? Or when the fools that run DC can manage to get the military to come there and turn the place into an armed camp because of a stupid half-riot in the capitol building when I don't recall any such thing after there were literal bombs blown up in the hill sometime in ... it was either the 70s or 80s. Denmark stinks. Tell me how it doesn't and I'm wrong by taking what I've said and handling it honestly and openly. If you join the military to do… uniquely military things… you and your unit likely don’t have time for all the bullshit. That's basically how I understand it. The reason I think it's being turned against the country is because the recruiting I see is aimed at the segment of the country that hates the country, because I see recruiters talking about having a heck of a time getting recruits from places they used to get better results from (not just online, but in RL convos too). I've watched the top brass commit what in the past would have been looked upon as minimally sedition, if not bordering on treason. I see that jackass loudmouths feel safe enough to say stuff they never did before. The fact that the "this crap can't work here because if you do that you catch a bullet and die and than your friends are screwed because you're not there" is still seemingly intact is one of the few bright spots I see. Ironically, the stupid crap with the PT scoring and requirements being messed with is more bothersome to me there than many other things. If you can't physically do the job, we shouldn't be lowering standards for you to "do" it. If the groups that really *can't* have that nonsense start getting meaningfully compromised by the crap politics. Yeah, that's five alarm fire bell time. ETA: and I didn't serve because I didn't want to. No excuses, just didn't want to. Though if a recruiter had walked into our shop on the morning of 9-11, they would probably have had me. |
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Quoted: That's basically how I understand it. The reason I think it's being turned against the country is because the recruiting I see is aimed at the segment of the country that hates the country, because I see recruiters talking about having a heck of a time getting recruits from places they used to get better results from (not just online, but in RL convos too). I've watched the top brass commit what in the past would have been looked upon as minimally sedition, if not bordering on treason. I see that jackass loudmouths feel safe enough to say stuff they never did before. The fact that the "this crap can't work here because if you do that you catch a bullet and die and than your friends are screwed because you're not there" is still seemingly intact is one of the few bright spots I see. Ironically, the stupid crap with the PT scoring and requirements being messed with is more bothersome to me there than many other things. If you can't physically do the job, we shouldn't be lowering standards for you to "do" it. If the groups that really *can't* have that nonsense start getting meaningfully compromised by the crap politics. Yeah, that's five alarm fire bell time. ETA: and I didn't serve because I didn't want to. No excuses, just didn't want to. Though if a recruiter had walked into our shop on the morning of 9-11, they would probably have had me. There are a couple million Americans in uniform. There are going to be components no better than the DMV, and there are going to be components representing the best, and most highly qualified and motivated our nation has to offer. Instead of ceding another American institution to the left, and complaining about it behind the anonymity of the internet, maybe do something? Encourage young patriot Americans to join and help affect the change you want to see? |
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Quoted: It’s truly fascinating the responses. Only a little while ago any criticism of .mil on this site got you flamed and run out of town. And it’s not solely based on who occupies the White House. A lot of great examples provided. If ya’ll were wondering what a cultural shift looks like, this is a decent example. Theyre convinced everyone in the military has purple hair because insert xyz political commentator told them so. |
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Quoted: There are a couple million Americans in uniform. There are going to be components no better than the DMV, and there are going to be components representing the best, and most highly qualified and motivated our nation has to offer. Instead of ceding another American institution to the left, and complaining about it behind the anonymity of the internet, maybe do something? Encourage young patriot Americans to join and help affect the change you want to see? Quoted: Quoted: That's basically how I understand it. The reason I think it's being turned against the country is because the recruiting I see is aimed at the segment of the country that hates the country, because I see recruiters talking about having a heck of a time getting recruits from places they used to get better results from (not just online, but in RL convos too). I've watched the top brass commit what in the past would have been looked upon as minimally sedition, if not bordering on treason. I see that jackass loudmouths feel safe enough to say stuff they never did before. The fact that the "this crap can't work here because if you do that you catch a bullet and die and than your friends are screwed because you're not there" is still seemingly intact is one of the few bright spots I see. Ironically, the stupid crap with the PT scoring and requirements being messed with is more bothersome to me there than many other things. If you can't physically do the job, we shouldn't be lowering standards for you to "do" it. If the groups that really *can't* have that nonsense start getting meaningfully compromised by the crap politics. Yeah, that's five alarm fire bell time. ETA: and I didn't serve because I didn't want to. No excuses, just didn't want to. Though if a recruiter had walked into our shop on the morning of 9-11, they would probably have had me. There are a couple million Americans in uniform. There are going to be components no better than the DMV, and there are going to be components representing the best, and most highly qualified and motivated our nation has to offer. Instead of ceding another American institution to the left, and complaining about it behind the anonymity of the internet, maybe do something? Encourage young patriot Americans to join and help affect the change you want to see? Yeah ... not biting on the idea that if you complain about something t hat's wrong and shouldn't be happening, you are required to be an activist about it. Doubly ironic when tossed out by people who - because of the internet anonymity - can't know your life well enough to make your choices. Maybe use the forum for what the forum is good for - discussing what people have posted? I'm not here to share my life and it's not your business. |
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The Left distrusted the Milltary and they aren't ever going to trust it, and now the Right doesn't either. And 75% of those in the eligible groups are too fat or too stoned to even join, with 80% of the remaining group wanting to pursue other things like video games and other pursuits. Similar issues are affecting first responder agencies, such as law enforcement, fire agencies and EMS. Also look at our production of Javelins. After sending Ukraine and Taiwan our supplies it will take 5 years to replenish it. That's also the case for other defense production. |
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Quoted: Yeah ... not biting on the idea that if you complain about something t hat's wrong and shouldn't be happening, you are required to be an activist about it. Doubly ironic when tossed out by people who - because of the internet anonymity - can't know your life well enough to make your choices. Maybe use the forum for what the forum is good for - discussing what people have posted? I'm not here to share my life and it's not your business. Yeah, that’s what we’re doing. Discussing. And in discussion, some people have more of a leg to stand on than others. So if you want to anonymously bitch and moan about an institution that you have zero actual knowledge about, while decrying those who still live within that institution everyday and tell us that we are wrong, don’t get offended when you get called on it. |
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Quoted: I can't speak for the other poster but I have been around since the old board. Join dates don't mean shit. Quoted: Quoted: You've been here for less than a month, how would you know what the site was like "a while ago"?  I can't speak for the other poster but I have been around since the old board. Join dates don't mean shit. Silence 2022’er! Your opinion means nothing! |
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Quoted: Probably will happen. Fwiw, There was a Citizenship through service program since the late 80’s. My unit had some Mexicans. Hard workers. White boys and Mexicans did a lot of details, moved a lot of heavy gear… Quoted: Quoted: Biden in the near future… “Our military enrollment numbers are dangerously low. I just spoke to the Pentagon and they gave me a dire warning for America, they said we need more soldiers protecting democracy than ever before. So as Commander in Chief of the armed forces and because of a deadlocked Congress, I just signed an emergency EO granting emergency citizenship to all illegal alien males 18-25. We need to think about the future of America and that future is now!” News headline in 4 years, “Recently admitted illegals into the military program got a blessing from President Harris as she signed into law HR911 that grants citizenship to all families of those who proudly served this nation 4 years ago from Biden’s emergency EO. President Harris spoke that these new soldiers have been doing a great job rounding up white supremacy in the US as incarceration of white Americans has skyrocketed 326% as they have been plagued by high job turnaround, drug abuse and discrimination in the workplace.” Probably will happen. Fwiw, There was a Citizenship through service program since the late 80’s. My unit had some Mexicans. Hard workers. White boys and Mexicans did a lot of details, moved a lot of heavy gear… It’s always, “They work so hard” Year later when they encompass 2/3 of the population and vote for the same failed policies that failed their native country. No nation ever survived with a majority of the population below 80IQ. |
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Quoted: Except the institutions aren’t against them. People just read the rage-bait. Quoted: Quoted: I don't think its that, I think its more they see the institutions are against them so why sacrifice for them ? Except the institutions aren’t against them. People just read the rage-bait. The federal government is definitely against them. By them, I mean traditional conservative white males. Maybe the military isn't directly against them, but when they take their orders from the federal government it is kind of splitting hairs. |
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Quoted: Yeah, that’s what we’re doing. Discussing. And in discussion, some people have more of a leg to stand on than others. So if you want to anonymously bitch and moan about an institution that you have zero actual knowledge about, while decrying those who still live within that institution everyday and tell us that we are wrong, don’t get offended when you get called on it. Quoted: Quoted: Yeah ... not biting on the idea that if you complain about something t hat's wrong and shouldn't be happening, you are required to be an activist about it. Doubly ironic when tossed out by people who - because of the internet anonymity - can't know your life well enough to make your choices. Maybe use the forum for what the forum is good for - discussing what people have posted? I'm not here to share my life and it's not your business. Yeah, that’s what we’re doing. Discussing. And in discussion, some people have more of a leg to stand on than others. So if you want to anonymously bitch and moan about an institution that you have zero actual knowledge about, while decrying those who still live within that institution everyday and tell us that we are wrong, don’t get offended when you get called on it. Talk about acting like you want to be offended. You're thrashing around for a reason to be mad at me. I offered you silver platter, handed you the axe, and stuck my neck out: ... if you thought what I said was wrong, wouldn't you quote those bits, and show how they are, ... Denmark stinks. Tell me how it doesn't and I'm wrong by taking what I've said and handling it honestly and openly. ... and now you're going for the dishonest stuff. I told you exactly why I thought and said the stuff you are upset with, and even replied to the post you made after that where you *didn't* show how the things I said were wrong and now you're using the "You aren't military, therefore, you should shut up." ETA: And also, I wasn't decrying everyone that lived in the institution. I even said the opposite: ETA: and I didn't say it because it's so obvious ... that doesn't mean I think everyone in the military or even a simple majority of them think and feel that way. The rot seems worse up top, among the people who pull the levers. Whatever it is that you've made up wholly from your own (appparently upset feelings) is on you, not me. People on a forum say what they post. Not things they don't. |
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Quoted: Why anyone would want to join given you are the Domestic Threat #1 to the Democrats, and at the same time they will send you off to die at the drop of a hat to pursue their own political agenda.... That should be fucking ZERO percent interested. "Shut up traitor, and go to war" You wouldn’t want to be the Domestic Threat #1 to the Democrats? |
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Quoted: That’s the spirit that defeated Hitler and Tojo! Quoted: Quoted: Maybe the youth aren't as stupid as we thought. Who would want to go in to serve for the leadership we have now? And risk getting pulled into WW3. That’s the spirit that defeated Hitler and Tojo! Amusingly, the blind "patriotism" that you're advocating is what allowed Hitler and Tojo to command enormous armies. |
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Quoted: That’s the spirit that defeated Hitler and Tojo! Quoted: Quoted: Maybe the youth aren't as stupid as we thought. Who would want to go in to serve for the leadership we have now? And risk getting pulled into WW3. That’s the spirit that defeated Hitler and Tojo! I wouldn't have gone in nowadays if I was of age and I wouldn't advocate for my kids to go in either. The military has turned into a mentally ill social experiment, not a force to kill people that need killing. |
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I have a very hard time believing the real eligibility number is 23%. That seems about double what I really think the general population can provide that we can use, as is. I'm deployed right now, on my fifth and final one. Without giving away irresponsible levels of details: -just shy of 20% of the force here has seen behavior health during the less-than-a-year tour. It is very much over-represented in our youngest, newest folks- and very much tied to a basic lack of adult coping and adult behavior skills. Keep in mind this is in a deployment of several thousand with zero KIAs, and under 20 WIAs- this is not combat fatigue or PTSD from actual combat factors. -again among that same group, we have a significant percentage who will never pass the ACFT. They only are in uniform now because Covid paused for two+ years the fitness tests and resulting kicking-out that is the norm. When even the now-watered-down test kicks in, they are doomed to failure. -yet again in that same group, they are on more meds (including ones I thought were barred from deploying with) than an old folks' home. That is simply medical/emotional/physical eligibility observations, among the ones that somehow passed that first gate. That isn't even touching the weaponizing of various policies and programs against people one doesn't like, the lack of mental/emotional toughness needed for performance under stress, etc. |
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Quoted: It wasn’t ‘blind patriotism’ that the US and it’s Allies fought with. Quoted: Quoted: Amusingly, the blind "patriotism" that you're advocating is what allowed Hitler and Tojo to command enormous armies. It wasn’t ‘blind patriotism’ that the US and it’s Allies fought with. No, but it is what led otherwise normal Germans and Japanese to do horrible things for those tyrants. |