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Posted: 3/8/2015 4:58:53 PM EDT
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. Polar Bear and Moose may need a few extra rounds Grizzly won't roll over from a .308 either Shot placement! I'm thinking it will 
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Posted: 3/8/2015 4:59:41 PM EDT
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if you handload, it can do anything the other two can, and more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.300 win mag? it's really the new .30-06 as far as im concerned. I use 300 win mag for my go to hunting rifle now. It's nice to have a flatter shooting .30 caliber gun when you have to poke out to 300 yards and beyond. The big draw backs to 300 win mag is recoil and need for a premium bullet. I've seen some really shallow wounds with less than stellar bullet weight retention when it came to 300 WM using more traditional 30-06 bullets. Especially quartering shots. The various solid copper bullets on the market are a good fit for the 300 WM. if you handload, it can do anything the other two can, and more. No doubt, but from a commercial aspect 300 WM is loaded too hot for non copper solid and non bonded bullets. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:01:41 PM EDT
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.30-06 FTW!
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:04:12 PM EDT
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If I'm going to get all Euro queer'd up and trudge though the forest with elves, ferries, and whatever other weird European shit you have in your woods. It's going to be with a combination gun with two 14 bore barrels over a 9.3x74R and I'm going to be hunting capercaillie and Red stag. You're doing it wrong if you use anything else  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5. The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. If I'm going to get all Euro queer'd up and trudge though the forest with elves, ferries, and whatever other weird European shit you have in your woods. It's going to be with a combination gun with two 14 bore barrels over a 9.3x74R and I'm going to be hunting capercaillie and Red stag. You're doing it wrong if you use anything else I'm thinking a 6.5 Mannlicher Shönauer would be more suited for continental hunting. You would have to dress in Tweed from head to toe though.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:06:48 PM EDT
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I think more '06 offerings are loaded down to be safe in M1s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ain't nothing in North America a .308 won't kill. Shorter action, lighter weight. Works for me. Flatter trajectory also How does the .308 have a flatter trajectory when it shoots the same bullets as the 30-06 only slower? I think more '06 offerings are loaded down to be safe in M1s. No. 
It's not "loading down" that makes factory ammo safe for a Garand. It has to do with bullet weight and the burn rate of the powder. Slow powders and/or heavy bullets can wreck a Garand, it was not designed for them and the op rod/gas system will not handle the heavy bullets/slow burning powders. There are plenty of factory loadings out there that will ruin an M1. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:09:06 PM EDT
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I'm thinking a 6.5 Mannlicher Shönauer would be more suited for continental hunting. You would have to dress in Tweed from head to toe though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5. The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. If I'm going to get all Euro queer'd up and trudge though the forest with elves, ferries, and whatever other weird European shit you have in your woods. It's going to be with a combination gun with two 14 bore barrels over a 9.3x74R and I'm going to be hunting capercaillie and Red stag. You're doing it wrong if you use anything else I'm thinking a 6.5 Mannlicher Shönauer would be more suited for continental hunting. You would have to dress in Tweed from head to toe though. We may disagree on hunting caliber choice but we do agree on hunting attire. Please tell me they make a Tyrolean Alpine hat in tweed! |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:11:41 PM EDT
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We may disagree on hunting caliber choice but we do agree on hunting attire. Please tell me they make a Tyrolean Alpine hat in tweed! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. If I'm going to get all Euro queer'd up and trudge though the forest with elves, ferries, and whatever other weird European shit you have in your woods. It's going to be with a combination gun with two 14 bore barrels over a 9.3x74R and I'm going to be hunting capercaillie and Red stag. You're doing it wrong if you use anything else I'm thinking a 6.5 Mannlicher Shönauer would be more suited for continental hunting. You would have to dress in Tweed from head to toe though. We may disagree on hunting caliber choice but we do agree on hunting attire. Please tell me they make a Tyrolean Alpine hat in tweed! I'm sure they do. Those Krauts love their wacky clothes. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:19:21 PM EDT
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30-06 You can push a heavier bullet for longer ranges x10
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:21:41 PM EDT
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My opinion is that if you need to fire a 220 or 240 grain round in 30 caliber, go with a 300 Magnum. And I have a 300RUM for that purpose.. Otherwise in the 308 vs 30.06 realm of 150-180gr rounds, I prefer the .308 for lighter recoil and being able to have a lighter gun for hunting on the move. And my 4'10'' wife can easily handle a Model 7 in 308 but cannot handle a gun large enough to chamber 30.06.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:22:39 PM EDT
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Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5. The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. I've killed a few things with 7x57 and 9.3x62 and find them to be an excellent pairing. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:37:46 PM EDT
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I've killed a few things with 7x57 and 9.3x62 and find them to be an excellent pairing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both rounds are better when necked down to 6.5. The proper European hunting round is 9.3x74R. I could concede that 7x57 Mauser could be a contender as well. Neither round is as well balanced as the various 6.5s. I've killed a few things with 7x57 and 9.3x62 and find them to be an excellent pairing. I like them too, but the 6.5s are perfect for most hunting. Light weight, low recoil, yet great penetration. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:40:14 PM EDT
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Which of the two calibers, the .308 or the 30-06 as an all purpose hunting rifle caliber? Either one of those will work. 308 is cheaper and I doubt you are going to take game past its range, of like a max of 1k -1200 yrds (general). 30-06 go for it if you want it, just a little more expensive and its going to go farther and harder than .308, so you need to ask yourself, if what you are hunting, you need to have that. Click on precision Riles thread and there is a section for bolt rifles, check that out for a nice .308 marlin, I'm looking at 
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:45:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My opinion is that if you need to fire a 220 or 240 grain round in 30 caliber, go with a 300 Magnum. And I have a 300RUM for that purpose.. Otherwise in the 308 vs 30.06 realm of 150-180gr rounds, I prefer the .308 for lighter recoil and being able to have a lighter gun for hunting on the move. And my 4'10'' wife can easily handle a Model 7 in 308 but cannot handle a gun large enough to chamber 30.06. I was the one that chimed in about 240gr Woodleigh bullets. As a point of fact, with proper powder selection, .308 or .30-06 could theoretically fire this same bullet. -06 of course, will have a velocity advantage. Even the 175/180gr bullets benefit from the larger case capacity of .30-06, velocity wise. More so if you handload. I shoot a 180gr Accubond from my 06, for everything (unless I'm hunting deer or antelope, and my choice for that day ends up being a .223 AR, with proper bullets). .30-06 is in theory more flixible, having a larger useful range of bullet weights and velocities. It does not make sense that a smaller, lighter .308 would "recoil" less than a .30-06 firing the same bullet at similar velocities. It would be physically smaller, and easier to handle ( more "handy" ) by a small margin. If loaded to it's potential, 06 would likely recoil more, given a rifle of the same weight, firing the same bullet, but at caliber distinct velocities. The point I was trying to make earlier is that either one will work for most uses, for most people, in most situations. I doubt many people could shoot the difference between .308 and .30-06 in the field. For those trying to remember the "never a mistake" quote: "The .30-06 is never a mistake". Colonel Townsend Whelen Also: "Only accurate rifles are interesting". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townsend_Whelen |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:52:40 PM EDT
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To get meaningful velocities with the 200+ grain projectiles in a 308 you need a 28" barrel. The ft-r guys are not shooting less barrel length than that when launching these bigguns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a 308 and a 300 WM. I don't see that I need a 3006 unless it's in a garand. 30-06 really is a pointless cartridge. If you feel you need more than a .308, that significant increase begins at .300 WM. Advances in bullet technology really have increased the capability of the .308 with 208-215gr. bullets vs the old 168gr. To get meaningful velocities with the 200+ grain projectiles in a 308 you need a 28" barrel. The ft-r guys are not shooting less barrel length than that when launching these bigguns. I chrono'd 2400fps with 40.3gr of IMR4320 with 208AMAX. From a 20in barrel. That doesn't go sub-sonic till past 1,400 yds. It is too long for semi-autos though. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 6:10:46 PM EDT
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.308
cause I dont hunt polar bears and I dont own a BAR HK91's and FAL's for me,yall can have your own opinions even if their wrong |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 6:32:05 PM EDT
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Hmmmm. I shoot a .308 Win, because I can rock that one in my BIG AR. Gotta keep that in mind. We are an AR forum. That trumps.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 6:37:32 PM EDT
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Hmmmm. I shoot a .308 Win, because I can rock that one in my BIG AR. Gotta keep that in mind. We are an AR forum. That trumps. Wat? Being part of a forum doesn't have any merit when discussing the pros and cons of specific calibers. Just an FYI there is a company making a 30-06 AR. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 6:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm going to get all Euro queer'd up and trudge though the forest with elves, ferries, and whatever other weird European shit you have in your woods. It's going to be with a combination gun with two 14 bore barrels over a 9.3x74R and I'm going to be hunting capercaillie and Red stag. You're doing it wrong if you use anything else  |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 6:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. It's not "loading down" that makes factory ammo safe for a Garand. It has to do with bullet weight and the burn rate of the powder. Slow powders and/or heavy bullets can wreck a Garand, it was not designed for them and the op rod/gas system will not handle the heavy bullets/slow burning powders. There are plenty of factory loadings out there that will ruin an M1. Thanks for saying the same thing with more words. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 6:59:56 PM EDT
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Thanks for saying the same thing with more words. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not "loading down" that makes factory ammo safe for a Garand. It has to do with bullet weight and the burn rate of the powder. Slow powders and/or heavy bullets can wreck a Garand, it was not designed for them and the op rod/gas system will not handle the heavy bullets/slow burning powders. There are plenty of factory loadings out there that will ruin an M1. Thanks for saying the same thing with more words. It's not the same thing
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Posted: 3/8/2015 7:00:23 PM EDT
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30-06 has a large number of factory loadings 308 all things equal shoots a tighter group. I can't imagine it would matter in most circumstances outside of s shooting match This. .308 has better inherent accuracy because of the case geometry. I shoot Palma, so .308 is mandated. But the long range matches I shoot are always open to any NRA target rifle, and usually F Class shooters. They can use any caliber that can throw a bullet 1K with accuracy. I NEVER see a 30:06 on the line. That said, I have killed about 30 elk, some dozens of deer and antelope, moose, bears and sheep with my old 30:06. Hunting accuracy is more than acceptable. German Salazar. I learned something today. you are, of course, correct 
Here's the man himself. You will notice that he is, like me, left handed. Here's a pair of his rifles: 
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Posted: 3/8/2015 7:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I learned something today. you are, of course, correct http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff419/rgathercole/DSCN6721-575x431.jpg Here's the man himself. You will notice that he is, like me, left handed. Here's a pair of his rifles: http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff419/rgathercole/bbb.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: German Salazar. I learned something today. you are, of course, correct http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff419/rgathercole/DSCN6721-575x431.jpg Here's the man himself. You will notice that he is, like me, left handed. Here's a pair of his rifles: http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff419/rgathercole/bbb.png I've got a bunch of other things on the list, but my dad's M70 Target has a shot out '06 Krieger. One of our FTR friends says we can have his "old" gain twist barrels when we're ready to rebarrel. The '06 will still be on the line in the future. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 7:30:34 PM EDT
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30-06 You can push a heavier bullet for longer ranges This. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 7:32:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not the same thing Downloaded means loaded at lower pressures/velocity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No. It's not "loading down" that makes factory ammo safe for a Garand. It has to do with bullet weight and the burn rate of the powder. Slow powders and/or heavy bullets can wreck a Garand, it was not designed for them and the op rod/gas system will not handle the heavy bullets/slow burning powders. There are plenty of factory loadings out there that will ruin an M1. Thanks for saying the same thing with more words. It's not the same thing Downloaded means loaded at lower pressures/velocity. However you want to describe it, some '06 ammo isn't loaded to it's potential to be safe in M1s, which is what I was saying to whoever it was that claimed '06 was ballistically inferior to .308. I agree with the bold. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 7:36:21 PM EDT
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I have multiples of both. For most purposes, I'd say .308 because of short action bolt guns and availability in a variety of semis. The .30-06 is best if you are looking for the absolute highest velocity or heaviest bullet weigh.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 8:05:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNot really, I have a buddy in SW, AK that uses only a .243 Win, to hunt everything and has killed, Musk Ox, Grizzly's, (Polar Bears that invaded the village), Bou, Moose, Beluga whales. Shit, now i want to shoot a Beluga Whale with a .243. |
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:45:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a cheap -06 with a factory box magazine, irons, and a 22" barrel for the truck. Such rifles don't exist. |
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Posted: 3/9/2015 2:06:39 AM EDT
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.308 because ar10-type rifles are cool
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Posted: 3/9/2015 3:00:52 AM EDT
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I have 30-06 only because I have an M1 Garand but that is no small thing.
I have a 308 that uses 190 gr SMK's at 2600 fps from a 24" barrel. If you need more than that, you need something bigger than a 308. I have loaded 210's for it but there's no ballistic advantage over the 190's. |
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