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Posted: 2/11/2023 1:23:00 AM EDT
[#1]
Cmon now.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 1:38:15 AM EDT
[#2]
That new S&W pistol looks awesome. The ideal pistol would recoil like an airsoft and hit like a 44 mag. This seems to recoil like a 22 and hit like a... 9mm?
My only gripe about 5.7 is reloading seems to be terrible, and ammo costs are high. Also, these go through soft armor, right? |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 8:52:20 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That new S&W pistol looks awesome. The ideal pistol would recoil like an airsoft and hit like a 44 mag. This seems to recoil like a 22 and hit like a... 9mm? My only gripe about 5.7 is reloading seems to be terrible, and ammo costs are high. Also, these go through soft armor, right? Reloading for a pistol shouldn't be terrible. The coating on the brass is mainly for feeding through the 50 rd mags. I don't see why it would have any issues feeding from a regular magazine in a pistol. That said, it's still sensitive to charge weight, but that's pretty easy to overcome. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 8:55:26 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood People seem to forget that. Then make excuses for why it was so effective, like "well those people were innocent victims, not attackers"  It's a NATO round now. It's pretty neat. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 8:55:47 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty much… it’s hardly 60% of a 10mm, or 2/3 of a 9mm. Why would anyone want that?  All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood How long were they left to bleed out? Ft Hood is a case study for the importance of timely first response, not for the round used. A .22 (well, a .22 different than 5.7) would have been approcimately as effective. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 8:56:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, these go through soft armor, right? Yes, with the correct ammo. It IS out there, just pricy. Tho even the cheap range ammo has been shown, in some tests, to not be bad. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:05:37 AM EDT
[#7]
It doesn't interest me.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:10:38 AM EDT
[#8]
More crap, put it on the shelf with 10mm, all the foolish new rifle cartridges, etc....???????
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:24:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll likely own a smith when they come out. They are already out. https://www.smga.com/smith-and-wesson/mp57-57x28-5bl-22rd-blk-no-thumb-safety-optic-ready-threaded-barrel-66426?utm_source=wikiarms&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=deallistings&utm_campaign=wikiarmslistings |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:32:41 AM EDT
[#10]
Those stating the price of ammo, hard to reload, don't want to get into another cartridge are all valid points Those saying it is pretty much the same as a. 22LR just stop already.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:37:25 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People seem to forget that. Then make excuses for why it was so effective, like "well those people were innocent victims, not attackers" It's a NATO round now. It's pretty neat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood People seem to forget that. Then make excuses for why it was so effective, like "well those people were innocent victims, not attackers" It's a NATO round now. It's pretty neat. Stalin's chief executioner murdered hundreds of thousands with 25 and 32 ACP. Any cartridge can kill when your shooting victims don't get medical treatment after being shot point blank. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:38:20 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those stating the price of ammo, hard to reload, don't want to get into another cartridge are all valid points Those saying it is pretty much the same as a. 22LR just stop already. No one said that. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:45:09 AM EDT
[#13]
I believe there was a video from Shot 23 that showed a 5.7 pistol that PSA is developing that is roughly the same size as a Glock 19. I am very interested in a 5.7 of that size.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:51:16 AM EDT
[#14]
I WAS looking to get a PS90 and SBR it. Two things kept me from it. One, the lack of decent ammo (SS190). Nor can you reload it either. It is not a caliber that takes half assed reloading lightly (0.1 grain could be the difference between a blown up gun or it failing to function in semi auto mode). And two, a distinct lack of Jaffa in my area (SG-1).
I did fire a FN-57 once. A doctor had one at a range I was at. Nice gun, it shot a lot like my Walther PPK in .32 auto. Once you get it on target, you simply squeeze the trigger until the threat is gone. There is no bouncing around with recoil, in fact there is little to no recoil. Neat, but I doubt I would trust my life with one........... |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:58:27 AM EDT
[#15]
Speer has a GOLD DOT 5.7x28mm defensive round that looks very promising.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:02:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stalin's chief executioner murdered hundreds of thousands with 25 and 32 ACP. Any cartridge can kill when your shooting victims don't get medical treatment after being shot point blank. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood People seem to forget that. Then make excuses for why it was so effective, like "well those people were innocent victims, not attackers" It's a NATO round now. It's pretty neat. Stalin's chief executioner murdered hundreds of thousands with 25 and 32 ACP. Any cartridge can kill when your shooting victims don't get medical treatment after being shot point blank. Have you actually looked into the wounds caused? |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:12:13 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you actually looked into the wounds caused? Yes. I have a copy of the AAR and a teaching packet I used in the academy. That includes the autopsy summary on every fatality and the wound descriptions on the survivors. I have also stood right next the the pathologist during an autopsy on a 5.7 suicide. It's a 40 gr jacketed bullet at 1800 fps for roughly 280 ft lbs. Same as a 22 Magnum out of a rifle. It's not the magic death ray guntards claim. The wound channel is indistinguishable from a .380 ACP and the varmint bullets tend to fragment. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:12:29 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Recoil far too much/harsh… in a P90? Have much trigger time with one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the gun it's supposed to shine in, P90, recoil was far too much and too harsh. Recoil far too much/harsh… in a P90? Have much trigger time with one? No kidding. The P90 is one of the easiest full auto guns to fire. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:15:15 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one said that. Really? So no one posted this? "Non scientific bullet on steel test was like shooting a 22LR at steel at the same range. Same noise and same wiggle from the plate" |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:19:17 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? So no one posted this? "Non scientific bullet on steel test was like shooting a 22LR at steel at the same range. Same noise and same wiggle from the plate" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one said that. Really? So no one posted this? "Non scientific bullet on steel test was like shooting a 22LR at steel at the same range. Same noise and same wiggle from the plate" So? It makes the same sound. It makes the same wiggle. So would any other light varmint cartridge. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:24:16 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So? It makes the same sound. It makes the same wiggle. So would any other light varmint cartridge. Nice try. That post was clearly trying to imply that it is just like a .22LR. I hear that crap a lot and it gets old. I am in no way saying 5.7 is the greatest and to get rid of your 9mm's. It has its pros and cons and some of the cons are legit but people should at least be factual. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:47:52 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty much… it’s hardly 60% of a 10mm, or 2/3 of a 9mm. Why would anyone want that? All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:57:17 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long were they left to bleed out? Ft Hood is a case study for the importance of timely first response, not for the round used. A .22 (well, a .22 different than 5.7) would have been approcimately as effective. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty much… it’s hardly 60% of a 10mm, or 2/3 of a 9mm. Why would anyone want that? All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood How long were they left to bleed out? Ft Hood is a case study for the importance of timely first response, not for the round used. A .22 (well, a .22 different than 5.7) would have been approcimately as effective. I have no clue how long first responders took to arrive, do you? I’d venture to guess it wasn’t too long given that it’s a military base. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 11:12:47 AM EDT
[#24]
Another thought is that there are a few 22LR cans that are rated to go on the 5.7...
I have a Optimus Micro in jail right now - thinking this might be a fun option. Red Military Arms Channel doing just that..... |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 11:15:52 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no clue how long first responders took to arrive, do you? I’d venture to guess it wasn’t too long given that it’s a military base. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty much… it’s hardly 60% of a 10mm, or 2/3 of a 9mm. Why would anyone want that? All due respect, seems like it was pretty effective at Ft. Hood How long were they left to bleed out? Ft Hood is a case study for the importance of timely first response, not for the round used. A .22 (well, a .22 different than 5.7) would have been approcimately as effective. I have no clue how long first responders took to arrive, do you? I’d venture to guess it wasn’t too long given that it’s a military base. You would be surprised. Try almost an hour in a few cases. Victims were shipped to hospitals all over. Darnall Army hospital ER is pretty small. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 11:16:43 AM EDT
[#26]
I wouldn’t want to get shot with it.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 11:31:51 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. I have a copy of the AAR and a teaching packet I used in the academy. That includes the autopsy summary on every fatality and the wound descriptions on the survivors. I have also stood right next the the pathologist during an autopsy on a 5.7 suicide. It's a 40 gr jacketed bullet at 1800 fps for roughly 280 ft lbs. Same as a 22 Magnum out of a rifle. It's not the magic death ray guntards claim. The wound channel is indistinguishable from a .380 ACP and the varmint bullets tend to fragment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you actually looked into the wounds caused? Yes. I have a copy of the AAR and a teaching packet I used in the academy. That includes the autopsy summary on every fatality and the wound descriptions on the survivors. I have also stood right next the the pathologist during an autopsy on a 5.7 suicide. It's a 40 gr jacketed bullet at 1800 fps for roughly 280 ft lbs. Same as a 22 Magnum out of a rifle. It's not the magic death ray guntards claim. The wound channel is indistinguishable from a .380 ACP and the varmint bullets tend to fragment. Wow! Ok then. That’s pretty interesting. So the 5.7’did little damage. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 12:29:36 PM EDT
[#28]
Another 5.7x28mm thread.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 12:43:29 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a novelty. Buy 10mm. The 10mm is also a novelty. Not that there is anything wrong with that. People looking at getting a 5.7 will not have their expectations met by a 10mm. Disclaimer; I have both. Novelties can be fun. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 12:47:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't interest me. Well,that's two of us. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 1:19:37 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe there was a video from Shot 23 that showed a 5.7 pistol that PSA is developing that is roughly the same size as a Glock 19. I am very interested in a 5.7 of that size. Mmmm….. 5.7 needs a bit of barrel length for velocity, not sure a G19 sized gun would be worth it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:02:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reloading for a pistol shouldn't be terrible. The coating on the brass is mainly for feeding through the 50 rd mags. I don't see why it would have any issues feeding from a regular magazine in a pistol. That said, it's still sensitive to charge weight, but that's pretty easy to overcome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That new S&W pistol looks awesome. The ideal pistol would recoil like an airsoft and hit like a 44 mag. This seems to recoil like a 22 and hit like a... 9mm? My only gripe about 5.7 is reloading seems to be terrible, and ammo costs are high. Also, these go through soft armor, right? Reloading for a pistol shouldn't be terrible. The coating on the brass is mainly for feeding through the 50 rd mags. I don't see why it would have any issues feeding from a regular magazine in a pistol. That said, it's still sensitive to charge weight, but that's pretty easy to overcome. The coating is also to aid in extraction from the chamber. Tumbling off the lube can lead to case separation. I wash fired brass in warm water and simple green and agitate by hand before drying. Then it’s resize/deprime and trim like any other bottle necked case. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:04:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well,that's two of us. Well, that’s three of us. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:05:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I WAS looking to get a PS90 and SBR it. Two things kept me from it. One, the lack of decent ammo (SS190). Nor can you reload it either. It is not a caliber that takes half assed reloading lightly (0.1 grain could be the difference between a blown up gun or it failing to function in semi auto mode). And two, a distinct lack of Jaffa in my area (SG-1). I did fire a FN-57 once. A doctor had one at a range I was at. Nice gun, it shot a lot like my Walther PPK in .32 auto. Once you get it on target, you simply squeeze the trigger until the threat is gone. There is no bouncing around with recoil, in fact there is little to no recoil. Neat, but I doubt I would trust my life with one........... While it is not for the first time reloader, it’s not as narrow a window of “0.1gr between blown up gun and failure to run a semi auto” like some say. I charge cases with a Redding powder thrower and maintain ES/SD similar to FN ammo. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:09:30 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. I have a copy of the AAR and a teaching packet I used in the academy. That includes the autopsy summary on every fatality and the wound descriptions on the survivors. I have also stood right next the the pathologist during an autopsy on a 5.7 suicide. It's a 40 gr jacketed bullet at 1800 fps for roughly 280 ft lbs. Same as a 22 Magnum out of a rifle. It's not the magic death ray guntards claim. The wound channel is indistinguishable from a .380 ACP and the varmint bullets tend to fragment. Handloading can bump it up a bit. I’m at 1950fps out of a PSA Rock and 2150fps out of an SBR’d PS90 with 40gr VMAX. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:21:35 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Handloading can bump it up a bit. I’m at 1950fps out of a PSA Rock and 2150fps out of an SBR’d PS90 with 40gr VMAX. That’s pretty sweet. Now the question for me is, should I start saving my once fired 5.7 brass? I don’t currently reload. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:24:23 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s pretty sweet. Now the question for me is, should I start saving my once fired 5.7 brass? I don’t currently reload. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Handloading can bump it up a bit. I’m at 1950fps out of a PSA Rock and 2150fps out of an SBR’d PS90 with 40gr VMAX. That’s pretty sweet. Now the question for me is, should I start saving my once fired 5.7 brass? I don’t currently reload. I’ve saved most of mine, what I could find after shooting anyway. I don’t plan to reload it anytime soon, so I’ll probably just sell it or trade for brass I can use. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:27:36 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now the question for me is, should I start saving my once fired 5.7 brass? I don’t currently reload. Yes, always save brass. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 2:31:36 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure it performs fine but I don't want to add another cartridge to my collection. Ammo appears to be pricey for me too. This is my situation as well. Always wanted a 5.7 (FN). The price of the platform and ammo was too much in my book. Glad to finally see it is taking off across several manufacturers now so it may become more popular. |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 4:09:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s pretty sweet. Now the question for me is, should I start saving my once fired 5.7 brass? I don’t currently reload. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Handloading can bump it up a bit. I’m at 1950fps out of a PSA Rock and 2150fps out of an SBR’d PS90 with 40gr VMAX. That’s pretty sweet. Now the question for me is, should I start saving my once fired 5.7 brass? I don’t currently reload. Yes, and mail it to me  In all seriousness, if you think you’re going to reload someday and have the space it doesn’t cost you anything but time to bag it up |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 4:16:56 PM EDT
[#41]
Fun cartridge. Very little recoil lots of bark.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 7:28:01 PM EDT
[#42]
The .22wmr argument is pretty common, but how does .17hmr compare? .17hmr is a more modern cartridge compared to .22wmr. Is there any spitzer .22wmr ammo?
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Posted: 2/11/2023 8:54:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Cmon. It’s only money
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Posted: 2/12/2023 12:55:49 PM EDT
[#44]
Is the FN red box still available??
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Posted: 2/12/2023 1:07:13 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i like it if i can get a p90 to use with the ammo... PSA has AR57s in stock I just got a 12" barrel one. Just for fun and I like the function of the magazine. I would get a Keltec P50 but for the break-open magazine change Now I need to buy some ammo |
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Posted: 2/12/2023 2:18:31 PM EDT
[#46]
I use it for my truck, tractor, travel, bedside gun. I wish better ammo was available at a good price.
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Posted: 2/12/2023 8:50:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish better ammo was available at a good price. Everyone does.................  |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:27:54 PM EDT
[#48]
A few good 5.7 ammo threads over in the handgun forum- ammunition sub.
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:41:19 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Better than 9mm Not as good as .45ACP So you like the short, heafty rounds and not the long skinny ones? Who would have guessed?
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Posted: 2/14/2023 5:22:45 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reloading for a pistol shouldn't be terrible. The coating on the brass is mainly for feeding through the 50 rd mags. I don't see why it would have any issues feeding from a regular magazine in a pistol. That said, it's still sensitive to charge weight, but that's pretty easy to overcome. |
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