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Posted: 12/7/2019 9:37:26 PM EDT
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They had that problem a lot. Most of their battle planning, besides being hideously overcomplicated with separate fleets unable to support each other, was predicated on us doing exactly what they expected/wanted us to do. That tends to not go well. We also intercepted their plans for Yamamoto's visit to the troops and shot down his plane. Interesting read if you're into cloak and dagger stuff. 
ETA: Happy birthday, LP! |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 9:38:52 PM EDT
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Japan was the only major power that went to war with limited goals in mind. They knew of our building plans- build to Washington and London Treaty limits and replace overage ships in 1938, exceed limits in 1939, Two Ocean Navy in 1940. Page one of BuShips report the week before PH shows what capital ships were in the building pipeline. Remember, the first BBs since WWI had been commissioned in the Atlantic that Summer, but were undergoing a painfully slow workup program and unavailable to ADM Kimmel, who begged for them and the return of Yorktown. Building times dropped dramatically 6 months after PH, and many additional ships funded. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/370939/Screenshot_20191207-201702_Gallery_jpg-1187194.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unjustified.... We were pushing them into an economic corner that the either had to loose face according to their culture or fight. They took what was to their belief system the more honorable choice. 
I love that we don't play by the same set of rules that the rest of the world does 
Strategically though it was really stupid idea. Oh hey guys let's declare war on some of the most powerful Nations on Earth! I would have just stayed in my little corner, I would have put a lot of effort on turning coal into liquid fuel, that could have helped alleviate the oil embargo to some degree at least for the military, would have taken years to get that off the ground though, there is a shit ton of coal in Manchuria and Korea. They were well underway to building a blue water Navy and 1st nation air force. You can't run it on coal. After being told to basically fuck off after WW 1 they were already in a bad mood. The embargoes just capped it off. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/370939/Screenshot_20191207-201702_Gallery_jpg-1187194.JPG |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 9:39:10 PM EDT
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How the USA has changed. We can talk about the Japs attacking us @ Pearl Harbor but we are shamed into silence in talking about Muslims who attacked us on 9/11. Sad times in the USofA.
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:01:08 PM EDT
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Despite a surprise attack, a lot of heroes were made that day. From Wikipedia:
In the wake of the attack, 15 Medals of Honor, 51 Navy Crosses, 53 Silver Stars, four Navy and Marine Corps Medals, one Distinguished Flying Cross, four Distinguished Service Crosses, one Distinguished Service Medal, and three Bronze Star Medals were awarded to the American servicemen who distinguished themselves in combat at Pearl Harbor. |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:15:25 PM EDT
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I have two daughters born on this date, one year apart. Happy birthday LP.
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:24:43 PM EDT
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So acquiescing to our demands regarding their invasion and treatment of Manchuria so that an relaxation of the embargo would not be looked at as weakness on their behalf ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unjustified.... We were pushing them into an economic corner that the either had to loose face according to their culture or fight. They took what was to their belief system the more honorable choice. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/My-Midway-Movie-review/5-2272265/ |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:27:12 PM EDT
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Made me sick to see all the flags at full staff, instead of half...
The damnable thing is that I’d wager most don’t even know what it is... my 8-year old daughter asked me what Pearl Harbor was today.. I responded “it was an attack on a naval base in Hawaii.” Her response was “I don’t want to go there”. 
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Posted: 12/7/2019 11:21:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2019 10:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our carriers are what held them off at Coral Sea and allowed the victory at Midway which turned the tide in the Pacific. It would have greatly lengthened the time, material and lives lost to recaptured and beat Japan if the carriers were sunk at Pearl. I doubt if you could find anyone that fought in that war or their commanding officers that would agree to your 10% of our strength claim. Europe first was official US policy, and it pissed MacArthur and the Navy off. Whether that was 5-20%, no one will ever know, but the vast majority of the Army was in Europe. And once you factor in atomic bombs, which would have been developed no mater the results of PH, the claim that any attack on the Us by Japan would have been a really good idea becomes totally ridiculous. |
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