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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:04:47 PM EDT
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There’s a huge difference between something that’s optimal, and something that can work.
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:06:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s a huge difference between something that’s optimal, and something that can work. I’d like to upgrade to 10mm but I doubt I’ll be in Grizzly country anytime soon. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:07:35 PM EDT
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I have no clue. For a little bear? Sure. For a big one? Fuck if I know. I've never killed anything other than deer.
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:10:11 PM EDT
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We do this in GD several times every couple years.
What I've learned is that someone once killed a bad bear with a 9mm, and the story will be posted soon. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:11:18 PM EDT
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I love 10mm as much as anyone else...but that would be bare (heh) minimum for me.
9mm would make it mad. 
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:11:46 PM EDT
[#6]
WTF?
If you just wanna tickle the bear, bring a feather. It's lighter and less of a hassle to carry. 
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:11:52 PM EDT
[#7]
I got to speak with a bear hunting guide, used hounds, and he was fine with a .22.
BUT If I have to shoot a bear that's coming straight at me I want better penitration. That means something like a 10mm. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We do this in GD several times every couple years. What I've learned is that someone once killed a bad bear with a 9mm, and the story will be posted soon. Yep...and the people that downed a hog with a 22LR. Doesn’t mean it’s optimal. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:13:10 PM EDT
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What round for bear thread...oh these are always entertaining
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:14:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep...and the people that downed a hog with a 22LR. Doesn’t mean it’s optimal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We do this in GD several times every couple years. What I've learned is that someone once killed a bad bear with a 9mm, and the story will be posted soon. Yep...and the people that downed a hog with a 22LR. Doesn’t mean it’s optimal. Yet if you go off actual data just about any handgun actually used is successful. Carry what you have with good ammo in it and roll on. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:14:33 PM EDT
[#11]
Black or Brown/Grizz?
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:16:16 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What round for bear thread...oh these are always entertaining For whatever reason, “what round for (any animal)” threads in general always get very emotional. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:16:34 PM EDT
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If your gona use a 9, file the front site off before you go out.
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:16:59 PM EDT
[#14]
I’ve shot a full grown steer between the eyes with a .22. He went straight down. Didn’t even mooove.
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:18:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Glock G17 with 19 rounds of Buffalo Bore 9mm+P+ penetrator mag dump into a charging bear?  Attached FileIts been done before. Better than nothing, I suppose. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Black or Brown/Grizz? Here in TX and AR, OK, and TN only black bears. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:20:55 PM EDT
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I think the biggest recorded bear killed with a firearm was killed with a .22 pistol, but then again we shot a guy a bunch of times with a .50 and he lived for 2 days, so fuck if I know.
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:21:02 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like to upgrade to 10mm but I doubt I’ll be in Grizzly country anytime soon. Not to worry sir, I killed a hog with my G20. No need to go to grizzly country to enjoy 10mm! |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:21:54 PM EDT
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Read title as 9mm for beer...
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to worry sir, I killed a hog with my G20. No need to go to grizzly country to enjoy 10mm! There’s no need to be any “animal country,” to enjoy 10mm! |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:24:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got to speak with a bear hunting guide, used hounds, and he was fine with a .22. BUT If I have to shoot a bear that's coming straight at me I want better penitration. That means something like a 10mm. I have hunted alligator with .22lr |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:24:12 PM EDT
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Be sure to get video.
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:26:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Glock G17 with 19 rounds of Buffalo Bore 9mm+P+ penetrator mag dump into a charging bear? You really think you are going to get off 19 aimed shots ( mag dump ) into a charging bear?? LOL! |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:30:36 PM EDT
[#24]
There was a thread a while back about using handguns to defend against bears. 9mm was surprisingly much more effective than would be imagined.
Article on self defense against bears with handguns by caliber |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:31:56 PM EDT
[#25]
You just need a .22 short NAA mini revolver and a hiking/fishing partner.
A .22 short to the knee and you only need to run faster than them. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:37:03 PM EDT
[#26]
If you shoot a bear with 9mm, it will absolutely die.
Eventually. Of course, the same is also true if you don't shoot a bear with anything. 
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:44:07 PM EDT
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A 17hmr will work. If you are hidden and non odiferous and a well placed shot. I will be standing aways off with a camera. Im thinking that IF I had to encounter a worst case scenario with a bear a long barreled 458 Lott with a 30rd mag would be nice.
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Posted: 10/18/2020 11:48:54 PM EDT
[#28]
9mm has taken down grizzlys.
https://concealednation.org/2018/10/handguns-for-bear-defense-a-study-by-caliber/ But if you can, why not carry something bigger with lots of ammo? Secondly, the caliber of the firearm used seems to matter less than the ability of the shooter under pressure. A .357 Magnum is formidable as hell, but that doesn't mean anything when you can't hit a charging bear. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:02:51 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a huge difference between something that's optimal, and something that can work. I will pass on the live test. Even I who hateth Glock with fervor bought a G20 and G40 because I have too many bears at home, even numbers this year brown vs blacks when it used to be 95% blacks. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:04:13 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a thread a while back about using handguns to defend against bears. 9mm was surprisingly much more effective than would be imagined. Article on self defense against bears with handguns by caliber Good read, thank you. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:07:33 AM EDT
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OP, how many rounds do you expect to fire at a charging bear?? Do you think that you can place the shots, under stress, where they will do the most good!!!! While I have not had to shoot a bear in self defense, I have shot several with rifles and some had a hand gun!
I carry a Glock 10mm with good ammo in the woods. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:12:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Glock G17 with 19 rounds of Buffalo Bore 9mm+P+ penetrator mag dump into a charging bear? Multiple Bears have been killed by 9mm https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/ Link explains incidents and hangun calibers used. 3 grizzly encounters, and then one more in the comments. ETA I type too slow... already beat by someone else. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:14:29 AM EDT
[#33]
It probably do the job just fine for black bear, Grizzly it may work if you're really lucky but I'd be crapping my pants it is never something I want to try.
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:15:33 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: Glock G17 with 19 rounds of Buffalo Bore 9mm+P+ penetrator mag dump into a charging bear? You obviously have never been charged by a bear. If you Mag dump 19 rounds into a charging bear you either started shooting way too early or you have a Glock 18 instead of a Glock 17. Up here the Fed folks take Grizzly shootings seriously and they will investigate it thoroughly. Your life better have been in danger or you will be prosecuted. In a true charge situation you may get a couple of shots off if you are lucky. The only dumping will be in your shorts. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:16:14 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Read title as 9mm for beer... You're supposed to shotgun beer... 
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:18:23 AM EDT
[#36]
In most places you are more likely to need your pistol against 2 legged predators.
9mm is actually effective against bears per the actual statistics. Carry what you have available. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:25:39 AM EDT
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Black bear? Yelling should work fine as long as she doesn't have cubs.
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:40:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You obviously have never been charged by a bear. If you Mag dump 19 rounds into a charging bear you either started shooting way too early or you have a Glock 18 instead of a Glock 17. Up here the Fed folks take Grizzly shootings seriously and they will investigate it thoroughly. Your life better have been in danger or you will be prosecuted. In a true charge situation you may get a couple of shots off if you are lucky. The only dumping will be in your shorts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Glock G17 with 19 rounds of Buffalo Bore 9mm+P+ penetrator mag dump into a charging bear? You obviously have never been charged by a bear. If you Mag dump 19 rounds into a charging bear you either started shooting way too early or you have a Glock 18 instead of a Glock 17. Up here the Fed folks take Grizzly shootings seriously and they will investigate it thoroughly. Your life better have been in danger or you will be prosecuted. In a true charge situation you may get a couple of shots off if you are lucky. The only dumping will be in your shorts. I largely agree with you but I do recall a case up in Alaska I think it was in 2013. The guy shot a huge bear with an AK74 I think 13 Rounds it took to put it down he was cleared. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:47:58 AM EDT
[#39]
9 x 39 is a decent round for bear.
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:51:44 AM EDT
[#40]
Moving to Montana next year, within traditional grizzly country.
I just picked up a 10mm and Buffalo Bore 220gr hardcast to run through it. YMMV but 10mm is the smallest I would dare to go for bear defense. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 12:59:44 AM EDT
[#41]
Maybe, just maybe if it's a little black bear.
If you read the account if those rangers that went in search of the body of that walking with bears idiot, you'll know that a brown bear that charged them took a mag dump of .40s&w and kept charging, it was only put down with 12ga slugs. When they studied the body they found it was also holding six .38 cal slugs from someone else. So the only thing I'd recommend you do with a G19 and a mag of 9mm is show it to the bear and try to convince it of how awesome the gun is. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 1:00:14 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Moving to Montana next year, within traditional grizzly country. I just picked up a 10mm and Buffalo Bore 220gr hardcast to run through it. YMMV but 10mm is the smallest I would dare to go for bear defense. 10mm lowest for grizzly yes. If you are willing to use 10mm on grizzly, then logically you should be able to use smaller calibers on black. Btw, a lot of people have had better luck with 200gr 10mm in glock 20s rather than 220. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 1:23:15 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You obviously have never been charged by a bear. If you Mag dump 19 rounds into a charging bear you either started shooting way too early or you have a Glock 18 instead of a Glock 17. Up here the Fed folks take Grizzly shootings seriously and they will investigate it thoroughly. Your life better have been in danger or you will be prosecuted. In a true charge situation you may get a couple of shots off if you are lucky. The only dumping will be in your shorts. All of this, and if you are only getting 1 or 2 shots before you smell its breath I would like a hand cannon of some sort not a 9mm. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 1:29:50 AM EDT
[#44]
If im expecting to be wrestling with a +600lbs wild animal im going to bring something that gives me an advantage.
As much as I advocate for 9mm, I'm personally not bringing it to a bear fight if there's a better or cheaper option. Having said that, 12 guage 1# buck or slug |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 1:40:09 AM EDT
[#45]
Going to depend on the type and age of the bear. I’ve seen a small black bear dropped with a 22 like it was a little fucking bitch. Entered behind the ear and did not exit. You live in Texas why fuck around when you can easily get something capable.
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Posted: 10/19/2020 1:54:15 AM EDT
[#46]
I was on the same boat. I'm planning on going on a black bear hunt next week and planned on carrying my 9mm as a sidearm. After much back and forth, I said what the hell, and purchased a 44 revolver. I'm sure the odds of needing it will be quite slim, but I feel a bit safer with the 44.
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Posted: 10/19/2020 1:59:59 AM EDT
[#47]
9mm will be fine.
I've seen vids of bears attacking people being dropped by a small revolver. I think too many people have an inclination to think that they're not flesh and bone. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 2:09:30 AM EDT
[#48]
Man you guys are dumb.
Use this, it says it right on the box! 
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Posted: 10/19/2020 2:17:48 AM EDT
[#49]
No matter what you have in hand, when a 1,400lb bear is coming towards you, you'll wish you had more firepower.
.45-70 is a sweet cartridge |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 2:20:31 AM EDT
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These threads always crack me up.
any decent self defense round will do for black bears. i would carry for human threats not bear |
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