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Posted: 4/9/2018 1:54:47 PM EDT
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Danger close.
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Posted: 4/9/2018 1:56:25 PM EDT
[#2]
I doubt he would be screaming into the radio. Just call in or designate where you want it to hit and get down...
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:00:07 PM EDT
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I'm a lead farmer, Motherfucker!!!
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:05:48 PM EDT
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Army Sgt calling in air strikes? What MOS is that? I'm sure there are some SF guys with the training but I thought that's why JTACs usually were attached to Army.
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:06:48 PM EDT
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They drew first blood!!!! Arahragjraarr(fwiw that's my Stallone noise)
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:07:18 PM EDT
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Either MGTD or adjust fire I would assume.
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:07:24 PM EDT
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Make it rain up in heah!
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:08:15 PM EDT
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Army Sgt calling in air strikes? What MOS is that? I'm sure there are some SF guys with the training but I thought that's why JTACs usually were attached to Army. I'm imagining a relatively short and very bloody battle. That said, my knowledge of such things doesn't go beyond public sector knowledge and the occasional conversation. You know, Wikipedia level stuff. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:10:00 PM EDT
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You need to do some research to get your characterizations, their jobs, and the situational conditions right.
I suggest you visit your local VFW, explain what you are trying to do, and ask if anyone there might consult with you to make your story believable to someone who has actually served in Asscrackistan. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:11:48 PM EDT
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Bad news, he wouldn't get the drop.
What you are looking for is an arty dump. Maybe a 120mm mortar dump. Not that your scenario would happen but it would be more like this, "Dump all HE on UA72941387" "Confirm Danger Close" "Not even Danger Close. Thats my grid. Fuck it all. Send what you can to pick up the pieces later" |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:12:40 PM EDT
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Bad news, he wouldn't get the drop. What you are looking for is an arty dump. Maybe a 120mm mortar dump. Not that your scenario would happen but it would be more like this, "Dump all HE on UA72941387" "Confirm Danger Close" "Not even Danger Close. Thats my grid. Fuck it all. Send what you can to pick up the pieces later" I was hoping you might show up. 
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:12:41 PM EDT
[#12]
“Don’t cry for me, Argentina!”
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:14:06 PM EDT
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You need to do some research to get your characterizations, their jobs, and the situational conditions right. I suggest you visit your local VFW, explain what you are trying to do, and ask if anyone there might consult with you to make your story believable to someone who has actually served in Asscrackistan. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:17:42 PM EDT
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Bad news, he wouldn't get the drop. What you are looking for is an arty dump. Maybe a 120mm mortar dump. Not that your scenario would happen but it would be more like this, "Dump all HE on UA72941387" "Confirm Danger Close" "Not even Danger Close. Thats my grid. Fuck it all. Send what you can to pick up the pieces later" |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:17:51 PM EDT
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Army Sgt calling in air strikes? What MOS is that? I'm sure there are some SF guys with the training but I thought that's why JTACs usually were attached to Army. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CAS without a qualified JTAC is something we actually practice. You better believe I would try to take a shot. by the time the pilot did the dick dance to cover his ass to ensure his deliberately dropping on blue wasn't going to fuck him, he'd be bingo anyway. However, if you are working with your company chucks, they do it for you. Sandy is dead and buried. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:21:48 PM EDT
[#17]
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Army Sgt calling in air strikes? What MOS is that? I'm sure there are some SF guys with the training but I thought that's why JTACs usually were attached to Army. Edit: @Sylvan dick punched my scenario. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:23:00 PM EDT
[#18]
I’d do it for you.
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:24:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Bad news, he wouldn't get the drop. What you are looking for is an arty dump. Maybe a 120mm mortar dump. Not that your scenario would happen but it would be more like this, "Dump all HE on UA72941387" "Confirm Danger Close" "Not even Danger Close. Thats my grid. Fuck it all. Send what you can to pick up the pieces later" |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:24:48 PM EDT
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He would only get the bomb if he didn't tell the aircrew that was his coordinates/position, it would kill him and since its only one dude, they would not drop.
W/O a JTAC it used to be called "emergency CAS" and there are techniques for it., Basically you use plain language instead of a 9 line to see where the bombs need to go, and you start with the smallest and work up.. The only way he would get it if asked, was if he was in a hole of somekind but it would still get offset a few meters and have a delay to reduce the frag, vs a airburst. You can drop bombs real close to people if they have cover. I've dropped w/n 30 meters (super fucking danger close), but it was on the other side of a ridge and mult had already been killed-complete shitshow |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:27:11 PM EDT
[#21]
I was walking down the road thinking the same thing. Afghanistan. Then some dickhead sheriff picked me up for vagrancy.
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you aren't going to monkey stomp a grid with a friendly on it. Pilots won't underwrite that risk. This is the whole Platoon scene where they are being over run. by the time the pilot did the dick dance to cover his ass to ensure his deliberately dropping on blue wasn't going to fuck him, he'd be bingo anyway. However, if you are working with your company chucks, they do it for you. Sandy is dead and buried. You’re right, I won’t drop a GBU-12 on friendly grid just because he calls for it. But our cameras are pretty awesome, and our hellfires are pretty precise. PID of friendlies and enemies can happen quickly, and defensive ROE is forgiving. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:31:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryArmy Sgt calling in air strikes? What MOS is that? I'm sure there are some SF guys with the training but I thought that's why JTACs usually were attached to Army. I'm with Sylvan though- even if the SGT called everything right and cleared them hot, I doubt an AF pilot would drop on the known friendly position- especially since no bluesuiter was calling it. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:31:50 PM EDT
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I was walking down the road thinking the same thing. Afghanistan. Then some dickhead sheriff picked me up for vagrancy. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:32:03 PM EDT
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There is a video interviewing these guys somewhere too...
DANGER CLOSE: The Rescue of ODA-525  Combat Zone "Deep Trouble" The Military Channel  Alpha 525 Gulf War Incident |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:35:25 PM EDT
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Army Sgt calling in air strikes? What MOS is that? I'm sure there are some SF guys with the training but I thought that's why JTACs usually were attached to Army. Some spc and sgt have had the training, some have familiarized in a sim, If the tic was a big enough deal to get air and the guy is the last man left and he has coms he would be making the “call” (suggestions to the pilot) If it was fixed wing, With rotary wing it’s a little different, as they can asses the situation a little easier, It could be as complicated as him talking an a10 in on a target using his gps, compass, and the simple cas brief form from the back of a right in the rain note book. Or using actual training he received, Or it could be as simple as him talking into the radio to an Apache and saying “you see here that red smoke grenade I just shot out of my m320 went off? Blast the fuck us of that, that’s where the bad guys are” Or any combination in between Either way he would be talking into the radio, probably in a fairly calm sounding manner, talking fast, pscreaming, or worse, both at the same time, do not make for coherent radio communication I’ve talked apaches onto target using a combination of terrain features and smoke, and once got an a10 lined up using a grid and azimuths, I wasn’t officially trained for either, and I’m sure a real tacp would have laughed his ass off at me, but the pilots want to help and they want to kill,bad guys too, and if the shit is hitting the fan and you aren’t a fucking moron they are willing to work with you Also, I was a sgt when both of those happened |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:38:23 PM EDT
[#27]
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He would only get the bomb if he didn't tell the aircrew that was his coordinates/position, it would kill him and since its only one dude, they would not drop. W/O a JTAC it used to be called "emergency CAS" and there are techniques for it., Basically you use plain language instead of a 9 line to see where the bombs need to go, and you start with the smallest and work up.. The only way he would get it if asked, was if he was in a hole of somekind but it would still get offset a few meters and have a delay to reduce the frag, vs a airburst. You can drop bombs real close to people if they have cover. I've dropped w/n 30 meters (super fucking danger close), but it was on the other side of a ridge and mult had already been killed-complete shitshow Cas can and has been called for using “plain language” |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:47:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Thank you for all the responses so far. Looks like I'm going to have to do a bit of rewriting.
I try to write about what I know, but in this case it could have wound up looking like a, "and then the protagonist cocked his Glock before charging into the building." Sort of situation. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:51:37 PM EDT
[#29]
Cleared hot! Fuck fuck fuck fuck
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:54:34 PM EDT
[#30]
"Reaper11, you're cleared hot, you're cleared hot, you're cleared hot, any altitude, any direction! You're cleared hot now!"
Fond memory of mine in Afghanistan of a JTAC desperate to kill a Taliban commander we found carrying a recoil-less rifle. Needless to say we got him much to the relief of everyone involved 
Emergency CAS is definitely something US forces train to so really not out of the realm of possibility. If I remember correctly in the book Viper Pilot by Dan Hampton, he ended up doing strafing runs doing OIF for a convoy pinned down during a sand storm without a qual'd JTAC? 
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Posted: 4/9/2018 2:55:58 PM EDT
[#31]
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Did you explain later how they drew first blood? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was walking down the road thinking the same thing. Afghanistan. Then some dickhead sheriff picked me up for vagrancy. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:02:55 PM EDT
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Danger close.  danger close (and incorrect) fire mission Generation Kill |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:07:39 PM EDT
[#33]
Flight of the Intruder
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:09:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Since the character isn't a JTAC he would probably just do a talk-on onto his position and let the pilot do the rest assuming he is FAC(A) qualified which basically means he can exercise control from within the aircraft to blow shit up.
Grid 12345678 I'm in a canal. Do you see the long North south running wall "Contact" I'm where the wall meets the canal in the water Contact Ask a question here to make sure the pilot is looking at right area. Bad dudes in pajamas to 50m East Tally Cleared hot I'm am rusty as all hell but Google "TACP TACSOP" |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:09:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:11:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuote History"Bitch, how can you not know what danger close means!? It's Exactly what it says on the tin!!" |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:14:04 PM EDT
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Title yet?
How about Brokeback Noshaq ? |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:15:24 PM EDT
[#38]
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Bad news, he wouldn't get the drop. What you are looking for is an arty dump. Maybe a 120mm mortar dump. Not that your scenario would happen but it would be more like this, "Dump all HE on UA72941387" "Confirm Danger Close" "Not even Danger Close. Thats my grid. Fuck it all. Send what you can to pick up the pieces later" The Army SGT could have been a JFO (Joint Fires Observer) and gotten the drop, but now you’re presuming that the only or maybe one of two JFOs in a battalion was your soul survivor and he’s going to be in your weapons company versus one of the line companies...so a bit of a stretch. In spite of what people tend to believe, there haven’t been many large scale “battles”/firefights in Iraq or Afghanistan (that I’m aware of) so your premise is flawed IMO. Better would be a Lone Survivor scenario where a small team gets compromised but then you’d have to make your protagonists SEALS (because Army guys would have handled that situation completely differently) and that story has been told. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:15:31 PM EDT
[#39]
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Bad news, he wouldn't get the drop. What you are looking for is an arty dump. Maybe a 120mm mortar dump. Not that your scenario would happen but it would be more like this, "Dump all HE on UA72941387" "Confirm Danger Close" "Not even Danger Close. Thats my grid. Fuck it all. Send what you can to pick up the pieces later" |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:18:39 PM EDT
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Danger close. Might not have poped smoke if the enemy was very close though. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:19:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Sounds like an above-average episode of NCIS.
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:19:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:22:18 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much this. The Army SGT could have been a JFO (Joint Fires Observer) and gotten the drop, but now you’re presuming that the only or maybe one of two JFOs in a battalion was your soul survivor and he’s going to be in your weapons company versus one of the line companies...so a bit of a stretch. In spite of what people tend to believe, there haven’t been many large scale “battles”/firefights in Iraq or Afghanistan (that I’m aware of) so your premise is flawed IMO. Better would be a Lone Survivor scenario where a small team gets compromised but then you’d have to make your protagonists SEALS (because Army guys would have handled that situation completely differently) and that story has been told. I believe that I was talking to a good friend about the Lone Survivor movie (he is ex Air Force) and when I described what those guys walked into he said, "that small a force? In where? Doing what!? Oh yeah, pull the other one." Perhaps we should have a movie night? 
That said.  Attached FileThese are two of my more valued possessions. I got the SR71 coin from Brian Schul and the Red Wings coin from the Axelson family shop. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:22:45 PM EDT
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Army Sgt calling in air strikes? What MOS is that? I'm sure there are some SF guys with the training but I thought that's why JTACs usually were attached to Army. 
Anyone who can send a grid, designate his and the enemies position can call a air strike. Shit is not rocket science. Now getting the pilots to do it is another story |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:26:28 PM EDT
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to heck with bombs make it arty
HE on the deck and pour it on fire for effect repeat then walk it back chasing them down the mountain |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, I Love that scene. I remember when I first saw it, think I was still a teenager. "Bitch, how can you not know what danger close means!? It's Exactly what it says on the tin!!" |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:30:40 PM EDT
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First time I saw that scene I literally spit out part of my drink. Then I thought... holy shit this is based off of a real book. I'm sure it was liberal with the truth, but if he was seriously that incompetent... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Ah, I Love that scene. I remember when I first saw it, think I was still a teenager. "Bitch, how can you not know what danger close means!? It's Exactly what it says on the tin!!" "For once our asses are going to be saved by incompetence...?"
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:31:21 PM EDT
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Thank you for all the responses so far. Looks like I'm going to have to do a bit of rewriting.
I try to write about what I know, but in this case it could have wound up looking like a, "and then the protagonist cocked his Glock before charging into the building." Sort of situation. I imagine that this scenario would not pop up out of the blue. Most likely, all air assets would be watching/monitoring/engaging in the developing situation. They would be talking to the JTAC, providing whatever he needed. Whether that was scans in advance of friendly forces, or kinetic support of a TIC, the guys in the air would have a pretty good idea of what was going on, where the good guys were, and where the bad guys were. When blue forces are on the move in proximity with the enemy, they try and be very good about updating their position. It would either be in MGRS or via a numbered building system. If an emergency CAS situation developed, you would expect the air asset with the most situational awareness to take control. It is most likely going to be an MQ-9 if you have one. Sorry. The information I would need would be the specific location of the lone friendly, followed by some confirmatory comms. The soldier may have a 10 digit grid to pass, or he may only know he is in the house on the southwest corner of an intersection with a white pickup out front. Regardless, I’m going to try and get eyes on his location, and then verify it is a friendly location. Then I need to know estimated bearing and distance of enemy fire, and I’m going to find them, and I’m going to kill them. Muzzle flashes stand out really well in IR. This literally could take 60 sec, or it might not happen at all before the last friendly is killed. But for me to take a shot in this situation I would need 3 things: PID of friendlies, PID of enemies, and a call for fires. Don’t listen to the guys who say the AF is too worried about covering their ass to take this shot. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:34:29 PM EDT
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"Don’t listen to the guys who say the AF is too worried about covering their ass to take this shot."
This is actually the major theme of both characters respective story arcs. Thank you. Since there is no hug emoji I suppose I'm going to have to use this one. No homo. 
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Posted: 4/9/2018 3:38:01 PM EDT
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Me: Hi Pilot. How is your day. Mine could be better. "Taking contact from a building, 600m, 2400mils from my last FLOT"
Pilot: What's that heading in degrees? Me: Fuck man, you're the one sitting in the multi million dollar flying computer. Figure it out or clear the fuck out of the air space and we'll shoot the mission ourselves. |
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