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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:25:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. If your “art” can be replaced by a machine, you never were an artist, you were a lesser machine. That sounds good and all, but what do "replaced" and "artist" mean in the practical sense? Lotta people write, draw, paint, etc. with no expectation of turning pro. Are they artists? Even most of the famous ones never got rich in their lifetimes. If you have to make a living being an artist then the number of seats in that arena are going to shrink immensely. I think that's the real issue. I remember lamenting not going into graphic design because it was a cash cow. Now I'm watching it become relatively worthless. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:28:27 AM EDT
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They said the same thing when "talkies" came out.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:32:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They said the same thing when "talkies" came out. No they didn't. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:36:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. The people turning out good stuff, especially those producing art with a consistent character, are putting a lot of work into training a private model. Models that are trained to produce a specific style or subject well and consistently are going to be worth money. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:36:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look I really dont care that much about photography. Not really what I'm talking about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Look I really dont care that much about photography. Not really what I'm talking about. Interesting way of saying "I have no counter argument". |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:43:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting way of saying "I have no counter argument". I'm not arguing with anyone. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:44:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know. It still matters to me that a person wrote something with inspirations from their actual life or other media that is important to them. Just AI? Fuck that. This is a massive problem with what is wrong with Hollywood. Midwit writers with shallow lives writing pathetic self inserts. They tell us over and over that the character is smart yet they keep doing stupid things because the writer has no idea how a smart person makes decisions. Good writers can write characters outside of their own personal experience, this is part of what makes them good... Is an AI drawing from existing published works and regurgitating them into a new form any different from what most writers do? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:49:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a massive problem with what is wrong with Hollywood. Midwit writers with shallow lives writing pathetic self inserts. They tell us over and over that the character is smart yet they keep doing stupid things because the writer has no idea how a smart person makes decisions. Good writers can write characters outside of their own personal experience, this is part of what makes them good... Is an AI drawing from existing published works and regurgitating them into a new form any different from what most writers do? Yeah I already said why I belive that. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:50:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not arguing with anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting way of saying "I have no counter argument". I'm not arguing with anyone. If course you are. People are responding to your points and you're responding to theirs. This is the very definition of an argument. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:52:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If course you are. People are responding to your points and you're responding to theirs. This is the very definition of an argument.  I'm telling you how this sucks. There's no debate. No argument. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:53:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I already said why I belive that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a massive problem with what is wrong with Hollywood. Midwit writers with shallow lives writing pathetic self inserts. They tell us over and over that the character is smart yet they keep doing stupid things because the writer has no idea how a smart person makes decisions. Good writers can write characters outside of their own personal experience, this is part of what makes them good... Is an AI drawing from existing published works and regurgitating them into a new form any different from what most writers do? Yeah I already said why I belive that. Your really haven't. You've just said "because it's bad" repeatedly. The closest to an argument you've made is that writers should use an experience or piece of media to inspire their work. That's exactly what AI does. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm telling you how this sucks. There's no debate. No argument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If course you are. People are responding to your points and you're responding to theirs. This is the very definition of an argument. I'm telling you how this sucks. There's no debate. No argument. So you're just speaking into the void and have no interest in anyone's responses? Odd that you keep responding to them then. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:55:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your really haven't. You've just said "because it's bad" repeatedly. The closest to an argument you've made is that writers should use an experience or piece of media to inspire their work. That's exactly what AI does. How does ai experience something to be inspired from? Besides just other media. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:56:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm telling you how this sucks. There's no debate. No argument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If course you are. People are responding to your points and you're responding to theirs. This is the very definition of an argument. I'm telling you how this sucks. There's no debate. No argument. Except if you are wrong. Then you are just emotional. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:57:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except if you are wrong. Then you are just emotional. I am emotional. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:59:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're just speaking into the void and have no interest in anyone's responses? Odd that you keep responding to them then. I care about your insights and thoughts. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 5:00:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am emotional. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Except if you are wrong. Then you are just emotional. I am emotional. Are you wrong? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 5:02:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you wrong? I don't think so. Authentic music and stories have been so important to me my whole life. If it gets reduced to ai I think that fucking sucks. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 5:07:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Actually it makes me really fucking sad. And I know this isn't being discussed very much yet. Very few people are thinking about this very deeply. I even know professional artists that are naively coping about it saying people will care how art is made. Well they won't. It's already over. I've been talking with friends about this but I feel the need to write it down. When AI art was just goofy shit it seemed harmless. But when these chat bots, AI voice programs, and AI image creators were getting good I was very distressed. But it seemed like it still wasn't a problem. Now that AI is getting really good I know the situation is fucked. But who cares, right? Fuck those spoiled artists. Fuck Hollywood. Yeah, I get it. But that's so fucking reductive. Art has been a key part of the human experience since the very beginning. It makes us who we are. Channeling all that is good and bad about life into music, stories, jokes, etc. To reduce that into a computer program that can just shit things out based on what humans made makes me sick. What's the point? So that you can have more movies, video games, music that is a unending stream created by AI? Fuck that. If this is the future the future sucks. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 5:10:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think so. Authentic music and stories have been so important to me my whole life. If it gets reduced to ai I think that fucking sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you wrong? I don't think so. Authentic music and stories have been so important to me my whole life. If it gets reduced to ai I think that fucking sucks. If you can’t tell, I would agree. I believe you will always be able to tell. If you can’t, we as a society will have much bigger problems. Just ask Neo or John Conner. As I’ve outlined, these challenges have been present in visual art for decades. It’s a little new to music and writing but the challenges are similar because creativity is similar. Karen’s with digital SLRs have not done away with pros and Warhols production line didn’t do away painters. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 5:18:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 5:50:00 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: Actually it makes me really fucking sad. Very few people are thinking about this very deeply. I even know professional artists that are naively coping about it saying people will care how art is made. Well they won't. It's already over. Waaaaah. Years ago I paid a friend's sister, who was a "professional graphic artist", to make me some Christmas cards. I told her quite specifically what I wanted drawn and written, and pointed her at the style I wanted used (I forget the name, it was a popular line of cards back then featuring cute cartoon animals). She said she'd have it ready RSN. Plenty of time before Christmas. Two days before Christmas, I got a box of dogshit that I wouldn't bother sending even to Joe Biden. Looked horrible, drawn in a sort of nightmare style, and the text wasn't even correct. I could do it today in AI and it would look more or less like I wanted it to look, and I wouldn't have to pay some drawfag for her/his "creativity" in ruining what I wanted. Artists did this to themselves. They went from Rembrandt to Escher (odd perspectives) to Dali (batshit insane) to Damien Hirst (dead cow in a vat of formaldehyde) to Yoko Ono drawing a single brushstroke across five canvasses and claiming that was "art". All I wanted was some nice Christmas cards to send to my family, bitch. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:12:52 AM EDT
[#23]
If you want to be an artist now you had best focus on some sort of physical art like sculpture. It will take AI longer to make you irrelevant.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:14:02 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote is irrelevent,
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:16:29 AM EDT
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Reconsidered and deleted. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:22:21 AM EDT
[#26]
We'll call it a truce
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:25:49 AM EDT
[#27]
Adapt or become irrelevant. If digital art is your thing, maybe consider going back to canvas. Math didn’t disappear once the calculator came out
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:30:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:38:48 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryLol, who would have thought it would be so easy to rip off country music. Shocked I tell you. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:52:26 AM EDT
[#30]
The other argument is that the 20th century model was an aberration in the history of the field. Now, it’s returning to form with the advent of neo-patronage whether that be crowd-funding, Patreon, Subscribe Star, etc
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:52:47 AM EDT
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"Art" is in the beholder, not the creator
IF you find a piece or art, or a story, or some music that you connect with and enjoy, or moves you... Then you discover that piece was the creation of an algorithm from some silicon brain not a biological brain, and that changes how you feel about the "Art"... That is on you, not the "art" BTW - it is too late by a long time to start smashing the jacquard machines... |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 6:58:07 AM EDT
[#32]
I have been writing a book, hoping to publish it one day. After learning all about ai, ive decided not to finish. There is no future in it
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:17:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Who cares about art? It’s a product that generally hails from the leftist mind. In fact I typically look at it as a symptom of leftists.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:21:08 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good photography takes a heluvalot more than just pressing a button. EDIT: See Avatar That isn’t photography. That’s bastardized nonsense. Photography is shit you take with a camera. The second you use software or anything else to enhance the lighting or any other manipulation it’s no longer a photo you took. It’s a lie. Harsh, but it is what it is. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:27:40 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Scroll forward a few years where every TV show, every magazine/newspaper/website article is written by AI. Every radio show, website, movie, phone help line, etc. It'll all be AI and it's going to suck 8700 times more than it does now. That has been going on for the past 25 years anyways. How many remakes can they make of the same movie? How many ''news'' programs can use the same exact material put out by the same ''news'' service with the slant they want shown? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:30:21 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: Actually it makes me really fucking sad... Fuck that.  Happy Happy Joy Joy! | The Ren & Stimpy Show  Milla Sofia, 24-year old AI-girl from Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:37:57 AM EDT
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I contacted a guy I knew in the jeep community who does logos. I need a simple one for youtube. Nothing wild or fancy. He told me he typically charges $1200 for a logo that I would love but since he knew me $800.
I went to Bing ai and made my own that I am very happy with. I'm all about supporting folks but $800 for a logo is nuts. If he does $800 worth of quality work more power to him but I simply couldn't justify that price. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:48:58 AM EDT
[#38]
The Matrix theory of AI is that because AI that creates a feedback loop eventually "incests" itself to death, that it constantly needs new and fresh human ideas to seed it's own work.
So eventually they will just stick us all into suspended animation and harvest our dreams and fantasies.....should be fine. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:02:07 AM EDT
[#39]
At first I was like.. what is this AI?
I've been messing around with computer stuff for over 30 years. Started right off into CAD design. Goofed around with 3D rendering programs, website creation software, and especially photoshop. Enjoyed digital video editing. I've also studied a few scripting languages. That was too boring and burned me out fast.  Now, I do occasionally utilize the free image creator thingy from here.. But, it's so substandard, that it's rare, to ever get near what I intended.  ..So, it is what it is. I'm no longer a computer geek. Retired and am usually outside. Have a good one. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:03:38 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They said the same thing when "talkies" came out. Exactly. When photography arrived, and then movies, painting was declared dead. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:04:30 AM EDT
[#41]
Not my wheelhouse but I feel it's definitely going to kill graphic design type stuff but may eventually make quality hand made stuff more valuable.
I just hope it destroys instathoths and what not, the use filters and whatnot to make themselves artificially attractive, why not just start from the ground up and let AI build the perfect hoe. I'm sure fake ai hoe accounts are a thing already, I want them to dominate. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:17:19 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I’ve posted about it here too. AI will ruin visual art, cheapen and whore over everything. It’s going to be one of the most demoralizing things in human history. However, most people are just homo sapiens animals, they won’t notice or care as long as Nextflix, Door Dash and Pornhub work. Not every person has a soul, most don’t. OP and this post nail it.  |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:19:02 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Actually it makes me really fucking sad. And I know this isn't being discussed very much yet. Very few people are thinking about this very deeply. I even know professional artists that are naively coping about it saying people will care how art is made. Well they won't. It's already over. I've been talking with friends about this but I feel the need to write it down. When AI art was just goofy shit it seemed harmless. But when these chat bots, AI voice programs, and AI image creators were getting good I was very distressed. But it seemed like it still wasn't a problem. Now that AI is getting really good I know the situation is fucked. But who cares, right? Fuck those spoiled artists. Fuck Hollywood. Yeah, I get it. But that's so fucking reductive. Art has been a key part of the human experience since the very beginning. It makes us who we are. Channeling all that is good and bad about life into music, stories, jokes, etc. To reduce that into a computer program that can just shit things out based on what humans made makes me sick. What's the point? So that you can have more movies, video games, music that is a unending stream created by AI? Fuck that. If this is the future the future sucks. Unfortunately, I don't think the majority of people in western culture understand the importance of art anymore. People are willing to destroy (or attempt to destroy) timeless works of art with cans of soup and everyone else barely cares. Just another symptom of the cultural decline we're facing in the west. In almost all non-western cultures, art is still held in much higher regard and vandalizing it carries a heavy penalty because they realize that an attack on art is an attack on their culture itself. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:33:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. You think the shutter of a camera, exposing of the film to light, is the artist process? What a reductive perspective. Look at this blurry photo my camera took - I must need a new camera since the camera did all the work.  My camera doesn't understand composition- it must be broken.  |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:41:47 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I’ve posted about it here too. AI will ruin visual art, cheapen and whore over everything. It’s going to be one of the most demoralizing things in human history. However, most people are just homo sapiens animals, they won’t notice or care as long as Nextflix, Door Dash and Pornhub work. Not every person has a soul, most don’t. Spot on - I only disagree with the part in red as everyone has a soul, many just choose to neglect and/or corrupt it. I think that is actually worse than not have a soul to begin with and a major cause of what's killing western culture. Just something to consider. Otherwise, I couldn't agree more with your post. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:48:02 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I say this as some who has been involved in design over the last 25 years. It’s all disposable, fleeting, and ultimately worthless. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I completely agree, what i'm arguing is that ai art will be an art form in the way of language and creativity to come up with a new form of art that is currently foreign to us. Those that saw the camera for the first time probably thought it would ruin portrait and landscape painters, and become a soulless art, yet we find it found a passion of its own. By lowering the effort for the entry window, it allows less struggle in the implementation of art, and allow more focus on the higher forms of creativity and vision. The implications of this will not lead to more creativity and vision. It'll be the exact opposite. I say this as some who has been involved in design over the last 25 years. It’s all disposable, fleeting, and ultimately worthless. In all fairness, there's a great divide separating the Mona Lisa from the Nike "Swish." I don't think OP is arguing from the position of graphic design. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:52:58 AM EDT
[#47]
My question of AI art, would be, where does it fit in concerning the "art" of propaganda?
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:53:46 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Scroll forward a few years where every TV show, every magazine/newspaper/website article is written by AI. Every radio show, website, movie, phone help line, etc. It'll all be AI and it's going to suck 8700 times more than it does now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:57:33 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the record I don't care that much about the artist's having jobs. Not the reason I care about this. A lot of the artists I care about are already dead. Agreed - it's about the negative impact on an already dying culture. Not the job security of artists. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:05:58 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. The art reflects the times we live, and although it doesn’t do much for me, I appreciate what art does/did for humanity as a whole. I find a lot of the AI shit deeply unsettling and can’t even tell you why, other than it’s “weird” and easy to tell when it’s not human made. It’s all got this airbrushed rubbery texture, and the lighting and theme is consistently reminiscent of some kind of steampunk/sci-fi video game. It doesn’t stir any emotion except discomfort. |
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