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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:11:09 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not ugly enough Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how much it bothers christians that Jesus didn't actually look like a white guy. When the romans came to arrest him, Judas had to point him out from the other jewish disciples because he didn't look any different from them. https://i.imgur.com/VjIEiAA.jpg Not ugly enough Also not generic enough. It's weird to me that his exact depiction bothers so many. He is depicted for honorary/worship and teaching purposes. His ethnic depiction doesn't really factor into it. Now, claiming He was truly Nubian or Chinese or Nordic or a woman is just plain goofy, since none of that appears in scripture (and the fact he was a Jewish Hebrew male is quite pertinent to the interpretation of the scriptures), but if depicting Him with lighter skin or using common local artistic methods allows His message to resonate more sympathetically with that audience...who the fuck cares? Surely not Jesus Christ, otherwise He'd have left behind a scroll with His likeness on it, if it were really important. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:12:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, though... uncanny resemblance to these very, very old images. It's a breakthrough! https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/101208-tech-jesus%20family.grid-6x2.JPG https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/23/a4/2b23a48eaccb9ccaf9180d0cd8408f21.jpg Yup; He looka-like-a-man, alright. Great detective work. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:13:22 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not sure if you’re being facetious. The Talmud claims Mary was a whore and was in fact impregnated by a Roman. Also claims Jesus is burning in a lake of shit in Hell, so decide for yourself how trustworthy it is as a source. I thought Jews didn’t believe in an after life? |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:15:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:16:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Checkmate Christians! Checkmate! Lol |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:17:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is also the fact that Anatolia was Greek prior to the Turkish invasion and that the Turks that invaded were a fairly small group. Meaning that the "Turks" of Turkey have more in common genetically with Greeks and mainland Europeans than they do with the Turks of Central Asia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: St. Nicholls was a Turk, so you are correct.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZVSNaRznxohttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/58E8ABC9-1358-4B48-9C40-AD12BA50C52E_jpe-1520188.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/9241D4BF-3C34-4520-850E-9829344793A0_jpe-1520176.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/7E52B5F8-2D32-46C2-9147-D4E324DF9C64_jpe-1520177.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/46591AB6-5A4E-4FC9-9F9C-1002BF1CFA9C_jpe-1520184.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/B1D7FD3E-A873-4FB5-93E7-A7FCA5CAE4C0_jpe-1520185.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/61AB0959-4670-473F-AC43-B6E96A4A93E6_jpe-1520186.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/D3DAF278-E395-410A-A216-925AFC24697A_jpe-1520187.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/F4500860-103C-4502-8A16-C6C1C440D57B_jpe-1520189.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/E059D8D8-0649-49F4-8EC1-DB90EAABFC6B_jpe-1520197.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/58957476-CAF4-40BC-BCAF-9D52DC56FFDD_jpe-1520198.JPGhttps://serenaysarikaya.weebly.com/about.htmlhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/65C6ADB1-F2A3-45DA-9EFE-18933148F357_jpe-1520207.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/46530E13-281C-46BB-BA8F-FF830B2A288D_jpe-1520208.JPGThe Turks did a lot of slave capture/trading with folks from the British isles. I recall reading they'd slip in and capture whole villages. There is also the fact that Anatolia was Greek prior to the Turkish invasion and that the Turks that invaded were a fairly small group. Meaning that the "Turks" of Turkey have more in common genetically with Greeks and mainland Europeans than they do with the Turks of Central Asia. Troy resided on the Eastern side of Anatolia...…………..the Trojans/Dardanians were also thought to be associated with the Luwians and also some relation to the Hittities and possibly of Balkan origins as well. And the Greeks messed around in the Balkans, being thought of as Indo-European themselves(Dorians, Ionians, Aeolians, Achaeans)…………….those Indo Europeans certainly got around |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:17:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Jews didn’t believe in an after life? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m not sure if you’re being facetious. The Talmud claims Mary was a whore and was in fact impregnated by a Roman. Also claims Jesus is burning in a lake of shit in Hell, so decide for yourself how trustworthy it is as a source. I thought Jews didn’t believe in an after life? Which Jews? The ones who wrote the Talmud certainly seemed to. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:18:05 PM EST
[#8]
So your saying if Jesus was here today he would own a quickie mart?
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:21:45 PM EST
[#9]
They took a pic of a guy and called it AI.
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:21:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, though... Seems it's a common flippant thing among American evangelical atheists to suggest American Christians think Jesus was blonde haired and blue eyed. It's become so absurdly cliche, and is just one of those ironic expressions of faith they hold to. "If this is supposed to be me on the watch, why do I look like Dennis DeYoung, with strawberry blonde hair & blue eyes? Is it so you don't have to pay me royalties? That's screwed up, man!" --'Jesus' (as depicted by Andy Dick) |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 9:23:09 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: that was one of the absolutely worst restoration jobs in the history of restorations. Quote HistoryQuoted: that was one of the absolutely worst restoration jobs in the history of restorations. And yet, one of the best "fake it till you make it" jobs in the history of bullshitters 
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:07:09 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: None of those images can be correct. Only the ones that show Jesus as looking like he came from Sweden (light hair, Nordic type features) can possibly be correct. That sarcasm guys. Anyone with half a brain would be able to deduce that Jesus looked like most Jews in the area at the time, with darker complexion and hair. Have you been outside in your life? Most people, in fact, do not have half a brain. The general public, if I can make a generalization, is window-licking level stupid. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:14:03 PM EST
[#14]
Looks like you would find him working
a NY deli yelling out, " No soup for you!!' |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:15:51 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:18:08 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No. Not an Arab. He was a jew. lol |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:20:22 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only post I’ve actually paid attention to in this one... Back in high school, this is her at my birthday. During my junior year my Dad walked in on us having sex on the couch one time, turned around and left. Later on he said I should at least put a tie on the door. My step Mom walked in when I was with a different girl {Vietnamese chick in my senior year} and wasn’t so cool about it  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:20:22 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have any skin in the Jesus game nor do I care what he looks like. However, the middle east was not always filled with Arabs. It was filled with Greeks, Persians, Romans, Jews, etc. I hope they took migration into account (doesn't look like they did  ). You can't judge what people looked like in a region 2000 years ago based on today. Take the Spanish for example. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:25:32 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. I just like mocking the silly, sophistic, semantic games the “one race” lysenkoists plays. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:29:30 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just like mocking the silly, sophistic, semantic games the “one race” lysenkoists plays. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. I just like mocking the silly, sophistic, semantic games the “one race” lysenkoists plays. Ah yes, DNA is a Communist plot. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:29:43 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in high school, this is her at my birthday. During my junior year my Dad walked in on us having sex on the couch one time, turned around and left. Later on he said I should at least put a tie on the door. My step Mom walked in when I was with a different girl {Vietnamese chick in my senior year} and wasn’t so cool about it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/12DB9339-82E5-4FA9-BD43-E3DCE3660AED_jpe-1520961.JPGYou have good taste. Haha, your dad sounds like my college roommate. Fuckin awesome. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:29:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn’t matter. Lol this. While that pic is probably more accurate than the white hippie white Jesus that everyone fro Protestants to especially Catholics. It does not matter. Supposedly he was a fairly unattractive dude |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:30:53 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell an Arab that he is a jew, and he will cut your throat. You won't be loling, then. Never be rude to an Arab.* *not safe for work according to Arfcom mods. 
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:31:09 PM EST
[#24]
Pro tip Russian women vacationing in Turkey hate Turkish guys so if you have some money and you’re from somewhere else it’s an in with them
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:32:14 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have good taste. Haha, your dad sounds like my college roommate. Fuckin awesome. He was the coolest till my step Mom came along 
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:32:42 PM EST
[#26]
What’s the problem? Jesus was a Jew in the Middle East 2000 years ago. Is the message negated because he’s darker than you thought. Recreated the face of Jesus has been done several times before. This is nothing new
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:33:34 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, though... Seems it's a common flippant thing among American evangelical atheists to suggest American Christians think Jesus was blonde haired and blue eyed. It's become so absurdly cliche, and is just one of those ironic expressions of faith they hold to. Unlike all the pics Catholics have right? lol they are just as guilty of crackerifying Jesus |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:34:24 PM EST
[#28]
Quoted: I wonder how much it bothers christians that Jesus didn't actually look like a white guy. When the romans came to arrest him, Judas had to point him out from the other jewish disciples because he didn't look any different from them. https://i.imgur.com/VjIEiAA.jpg |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:39:59 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So umm, where were the Jews from? |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:42:00 PM EST
[#30]
Looks like a Jew and a common guy.
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:42:52 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah yes, DNA is a Communist plot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. I just like mocking the silly, sophistic, semantic games the “one race” lysenkoists plays. Ah yes, DNA is a Communist plot. Ah you think DNA is your ally? You merely adopted the DNA, I was born in it, molded by it. When you analyze the DNA samples of groups you find clusters in the data sets. If you don’t want to call those clusters “races” because that term rustles your PC jimmies I don’t really give a fuck. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:44:25 PM EST
[#32]
 Looks just like him. . . . |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:44:33 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He looks Arab. Jesus was a Jew. 
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:50:42 PM EST
[#34]
Doesn’t bother me one bit, and don’t think it would bother most Christians I know. I agree with comment that this pic looks more Arab, or like Colin Kaepernick tho, and not as much like a Jew. So I’d say their AI failed.
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Posted: 7/26/2020 10:59:41 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He looks Arab. Jesus was a Jew. An Arab Jew. Have you never looked any IDF girls thread? Lots of Yemení IDF girls look like an Arab. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:04:36 PM EST
[#36]
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Big deal. Every few years somebody feels they have come up with a new pic that shows what their agenda-driven version of Jesus looked like. If you want to impress me, show me a picture of Mohammad.  |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:06:12 PM EST
[#37]
That guy tried to sell me a cellphone case
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:06:55 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To a true Christian, it doesn't matter. This. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:16:03 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah you think DNA is your ally? You merely adopted the DNA, I was born in it, molded by it. When you analyze the DNA samples of groups you find clusters in the data sets. If you don’t want to call those clusters “races” because that term rustles your PC jimmies I don’t really give a fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. I just like mocking the silly, sophistic, semantic games the “one race” lysenkoists plays. Ah yes, DNA is a Communist plot. Ah you think DNA is your ally? You merely adopted the DNA, I was born in it, molded by it. When you analyze the DNA samples of groups you find clusters in the data sets. If you don’t want to call those clusters “races” because that term rustles your PC jimmies I don’t really give a fuck. You can call them whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that DNA and modern genome mapping in general disproved 19th century race theory which assumed historically distinct "pure" groups of humans that had merely interbred on the margins. The very fact that people here are making distinction between Arabs and "Whites" also betrays the lie that 19th century scientific understanding of "Caucasian" is the same thing as the socially-constructed use of "white." Clearly, it's not. There's clearly, within and between those two terms, arbitrary, socially-derived lines of demarcation. But, you and others will never end the incessant insistence that Georges Cuvier and others has mankind figured out even before we grasped natural selection and back when bloodletting was mainstream medicine. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:16:14 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of butthurt Christians in here. According to you tards Jesus would have been the first of the Aryan Brotherhood...no wonder he had such a rough time in the middle east You ok, dude? Smell burnt toast? |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:21:01 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unlike all the pics Catholics have right? lol they are just as guilty of crackerifying Jesus Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seriously, though... Seems it's a common flippant thing among American evangelical atheists to suggest American Christians think Jesus was blonde haired and blue eyed. It's become so absurdly cliche, and is just one of those ironic expressions of faith they hold to. Unlike all the pics Catholics have right? lol they are just as guilty of crackerifying Jesus Is this supposed to be some sort of "Catholics aren't Christians" thing, or a "Catholics can't be Americans" thing? |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:21:09 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He appears as you think he appears.  Like this? |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:25:06 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can call them whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that DNA and modern genome mapping in general disproved 19th century race theory which assumed historically distinct "pure" groups of humans that had merely interbred on the margins. The very fact that people here are making distinction between Arabs and "Whites" also betrays the lie that 19th century scientific understanding of "Caucasian" is the same thing as the socially-constructed use of "white." Clearly, it's not. There's clearly, within and between those two terms, arbitrary, socially-derived lines of demarcation. But, you and others will never end the incessant insistence that Georges Cuvier and others has mankind figured out even before we grasped natural selection and back when bloodletting was mainstream medicine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. I just like mocking the silly, sophistic, semantic games the “one race” lysenkoists plays. Ah yes, DNA is a Communist plot. Ah you think DNA is your ally? You merely adopted the DNA, I was born in it, molded by it. When you analyze the DNA samples of groups you find clusters in the data sets. If you don’t want to call those clusters “races” because that term rustles your PC jimmies I don’t really give a fuck. You can call them whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that DNA and modern genome mapping in general disproved 19th century race theory which assumed historically distinct "pure" groups of humans that had merely interbred on the margins. The very fact that people here are making distinction between Arabs and "Whites" also betrays the lie that 19th century scientific understanding of "Caucasian" is the same thing as the socially-constructed use of "white." Clearly, it's not. There's clearly, within and between those two terms, arbitrary, socially-derived lines of demarcation. But, you and others will never end the incessant insistence that Georges Cuvier and others has mankind figured out even before we grasped natural selection and back when bloodletting was mainstream medicine. So our understanding of differences in groups has improved and evolved over time? Well, no shit I guess. That’s how science usually works, except when it gets corrupted by ideology. We have also proven that brain volume matters, but lots of people want to deny that because oy vey phrenology. You’re trying to reach a conclusion based on political doctrine and cherry picking what aspects of “science” you like and ignoring the rest. I.E. you’re a lysenkoist. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:26:42 PM EST
[#44]
Jesus was jewish
Jewish people look like that in the middle east. Makes sense. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:29:38 PM EST
[#45]
While the old testament states that Jews are not supposed to intermarry with others, it also goes out of the way to note that Jesus was of mixed ancestry. It points that out in the Davidic line. The fact that Jesus was from Bethlehem is important as that branch of the Davidic line only recently returned from the Babylon Exile. Likewise it is also implied in that they had no problem fitting in when they fled to Egypt.
But yes, It is stupid to believe that Jesus would look like a pasty skinned northern European. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:29:41 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So our understanding of differences in groups has improved and evolved over time? Well, no shit I guess. That’s how science usually works, except when it gets corrupted by ideology. We have also proven that brain volume matters, but lots of people want to deny that because oy vey phrenology. You’re trying to reach a conclusion based on political doctrine and cherry picking what aspects of “science” you like and ignoring the rest. I.E. you’re a lysenkoist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nobody has ever claimed there aren't variations across humans. That is not what "race" came to mean when the "scientific" concept of "race" was being hashed out in the late 19th century. Race implied lines of demarcation that do not exist. Race theory led to assumptions that Arabs looked different from Scandinavians due to interbreeding with other "races," and weren't a "pure" race. In reality, it makes every bit as 'fun sense or consider "Arabs" their own race as it does "Slavs," or "Germans." It's arbitrary line drawing, originally rooted in a flawed hypothesis about the history of the species. It led to some grievous errors in actual genetic relationships due to assumptions about that history, lumping people like the Laplanders and Finns as "Mongoloid." Regardless, Semitic peoples were generally identified as a subgroup ("stock") under the larger "Caucasians," separate from "Aryans." It's that "Aryan stock" label that most arfcommers seem to cling to when they think "Caucasian." This is the only way it makes sense in the context of this thread, for example, as semites are otherwise Caucasian, and that image in the OP was clearly not "Mongoloid," or "Negroid," (though, using 19h century race theory, some might have reason to argue it shows a man of "mixed" versus "pure" race). Anthropology went through a process similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about with modern social scientists as they obsess over "intersectionality." Eventually, Anthropology acknowledged that there was only one human race, with a nearly infinite # of always overlapping, over time and space, population groups. In the same way, eventually these Marxist inspired social scientists obsessing over discrimination by group identity are bound to eventually start seeing so many near-infinite mixes of variables as to treat people as individuals again, not as oppressor group versus oppressed group. I know right? There’s only one color too, because the colors in the spectrum blend together at the edges, so that means they’re all the same color. Whatever strawman makes your outrage outrageous enough for you, man. I just like mocking the silly, sophistic, semantic games the “one race” lysenkoists plays. Ah yes, DNA is a Communist plot. Ah you think DNA is your ally? You merely adopted the DNA, I was born in it, molded by it. When you analyze the DNA samples of groups you find clusters in the data sets. If you don’t want to call those clusters “races” because that term rustles your PC jimmies I don’t really give a fuck. You can call them whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that DNA and modern genome mapping in general disproved 19th century race theory which assumed historically distinct "pure" groups of humans that had merely interbred on the margins. The very fact that people here are making distinction between Arabs and "Whites" also betrays the lie that 19th century scientific understanding of "Caucasian" is the same thing as the socially-constructed use of "white." Clearly, it's not. There's clearly, within and between those two terms, arbitrary, socially-derived lines of demarcation. But, you and others will never end the incessant insistence that Georges Cuvier and others has mankind figured out even before we grasped natural selection and back when bloodletting was mainstream medicine. So our understanding of differences in groups has improved and evolved over time? Well, no shit I guess. That’s how science usually works, except when it gets corrupted by ideology. We have also proven that brain volume matters, but lots of people want to deny that because oy vey phrenology. You’re trying to reach a conclusion based on political doctrine and cherry picking what aspects of “science” you like and ignoring the rest. I.E. you’re a lysenkoist. No, I am trying to explain the science and the clear evidence of how "race" is actually used and understood as shown in this very thread. You are ignoring all of this out of some irrational ideological mental block. Then you ironically accuse me of the one being blinded by ideology. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:31:29 PM EST
[#47]
There are no white men in the Bible
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:32:04 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Proof huh? That knife cuts both ways. Of course it does. Glad you agree there shouldn't be a double standard. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:35:48 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Jews didn’t believe in an after life? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m not sure if you’re being facetious. The Talmud claims Mary was a whore and was in fact impregnated by a Roman. Also claims Jesus is burning in a lake of shit in Hell, so decide for yourself how trustworthy it is as a source. I thought Jews didn’t believe in an after life? There were Pharisees and Sadducees. (among the Jewish religious leadership). The Pharisees believed in the resurrection. The Sadducees did not. That's why they were sad, you see. True story. 
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Posted: 7/26/2020 11:42:11 PM EST
[#50]
Aren't Jews anywhere from very light skin to fairly dark?
Does it even matter? You'll either know Him or you won't |
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