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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:17:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:18:07 AM EDT
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AR18
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:19:23 AM EDT
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Vz58.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:20:38 AM EDT
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Shipped of where? STANAG mags and ammo readily available? Or a sand pit with lots ak type weapons floating around?
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:25:19 AM EDT
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I’ve shot AKs for years and have never even held an AR18, so...
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:30:16 AM EDT
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I’ve shot AKs for years and have never even held an AR18, so... |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:31:29 AM EDT
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I'll go with the one based on a Saint Stoner design.
AR18 for me. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:35:01 AM EDT
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I'll go with the one based on a Saint Stoner design. AR18 for me. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:43:12 AM EDT
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I'll go with the one based on a Saint Stoner design. AR18 for me. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:54:25 AM EDT
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If I remember right he wasn't all that thrilled with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll go with the one based on a Saint Stoner design. AR18 for me. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 1:01:50 AM EDT
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Shipped of where? STANAG mags and ammo readily available? Or a sand pit with lots ak type weapons floating around? |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 1:03:28 AM EDT
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STANAG mags will not work in an AR-18. They have to be modified, the mag latch is on the other side of the receiver and the mags must have slot cut for for it to fit in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shipped of where? STANAG mags and ammo readily available? Or a sand pit with lots ak type weapons floating around? |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 1:04:37 AM EDT
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AR-18, runs circles around the AK.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 1:11:54 AM EDT
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I’ve shot AKs for years and have never even held an AR18, so... Would depend on what the other people I am with are carrying. Carrying a weapon associated with the enemy could lead to friendly fire. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 1:13:02 AM EDT
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Shipped of where? STANAG mags and ammo readily available? Or a sand pit with lots ak type weapons floating around? |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 1:22:51 AM EDT
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I voted for the AR-18 assuming I could get magazines.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 1:24:41 AM EDT
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If I remember right he wasn't all that thrilled with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll go with the one based on a Saint Stoner design. AR18 for me. Stoner himself wasn't pleased/happy with the AR15 either, in the sense that it shot 5.56. He was a 7.62 man, proving that even Saints have faults. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:23:17 AM EDT
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welp both will be ultra reliable because they have pistons herpderp
I voted AR18 because it's not an outdated trashcan. And can be modernised easily for tacticool cosplay. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:28:58 AM EDT
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:32:20 AM EDT
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Would you be, if all your patents were stripped from you due to sale of the platform to a rival company and then having your own tell you to "do it again". This time though, you have to start from scratch and either compete against your perfect design (AR10/15) internal piston system or find a way to not compete directly with it. Stoner himself wasn't pleased/happy with the AR15 either, in the sense that it shot 5.56. He was a 7.62 man, proving that even Saints have faults. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll go with the one based on a Saint Stoner design. AR18 for me. Stoner himself wasn't pleased/happy with the AR15 either, in the sense that it shot 5.56. He was a 7.62 man, proving that even Saints have faults. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:33:51 AM EDT
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Poll needs more "Gun from Heat" options.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:36:00 AM EDT
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The AR-18!was designed to be built as a low cost easy to make alternative to the M-16
Stamping. Supposed to be built with a Screw machine and stamping machines I would pick it easily over the AK. I like the quick attach and detach optics. Improvements that where needed were the folding stock (Easy to damage and the hammer/receiver problem Also make it accept AR16 magazines |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:38:01 AM EDT
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gross @RustedAce Quoted:
The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:45:21 AM EDT
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gross @RustedAce And damn near every post-AR15 design uses some variation of the AR18 operating system... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:56:55 AM EDT
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And damn near every post-AR15 design uses some variation of the AR18 operating system... |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 8:58:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regurgitate what you've read on the internet much? |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:00:24 AM EDT
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I voted AK only because of its established track record.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:03:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better than regurgitating what you've read in commie propaganda. 
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:04:26 AM EDT
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I own 2 AKs and an AR180 B
I would take the AR180 B easily |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:08:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the AR18 has been as widely produced, adopted, and battle proven, for over a generation on the scale of the AK; I stand corrected. AKs should be encased in garbage cans. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:14:36 AM EDT
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AK because the AR18s are all collectors items now and I doubt I could even find magazines for them. I am not a big fan of the AK 47 but I know it works.
Now, if someone made a modernized AR18 that was proven to be reliable and durable in the field then I would happily choose that... assuming I could get magazines. That new Brownells AR/AR18 upper for example. If it works good I would much rather have that than an AK. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:16:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are many AR18s that have been widely produced, adopted and battle proven. They are all encased in plastic carps however. AKs should be encased in garbage cans.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:17:07 AM EDT
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Regurgitate what you've read on the internet much? Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? It was decent during the days of the early Cold War, while NATO was fucking around with battle rifles. That changed as soon as the M16 was adopted FWIW, the closest Snow Mexican equivalent to the AK is the M+M 10X, and I'm not about to spend 2000CAD on a tarted up turd world rifle. If I wanted to buy something AKesque, I'd own an SG55x rifle again...it's like an AK but not shitty. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:17:44 AM EDT
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Yep, but you gotta put a carp shaped body on it to get people to want it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And damn near every post-AR15 design uses some variation of the AR18 operating system... |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:23:37 AM EDT
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I don't need to eat a shit sammich to know that it's shit; similarily I don't need to own an AK to know that it's an overrated outdated rifle. It was decent during the days of the early Cold War, while NATO was fucking around with battle rifles. That changed as soon as the M16 was adopted FWIW, the closest Snow Mexican equivalent to the AK is the M+M 10X, and I'm not about to spend 2000CAD on a tarted up turd world rifle. If I wanted to buy something AKesque, I'd own an SG55x rifle again...it's like an AK but not shitty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? It was decent during the days of the early Cold War, while NATO was fucking around with battle rifles. That changed as soon as the M16 was adopted FWIW, the closest Snow Mexican equivalent to the AK is the M+M 10X, and I'm not about to spend 2000CAD on a tarted up turd world rifle. If I wanted to buy something AKesque, I'd own an SG55x rifle again...it's like an AK but not shitty. I'm so old, that I remember the pre - internet days when posers used to regurgitate "knowledge" of the sort they gleaned from reading the various gun magazines and passed it off as their own wisdom. Damn; how time flies but some things always remain the same. 
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:30:53 AM EDT
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So yeah; you're just regurgitating what others have said. I'm so old, that I remember the pre - internet days when posers used to regurgitate "knowledge" of the sort they gleaned from reading the various gun magazines and passed it off as their own wisdom. Damn; how time flies but some things always remain the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? It was decent during the days of the early Cold War, while NATO was fucking around with battle rifles. That changed as soon as the M16 was adopted FWIW, the closest Snow Mexican equivalent to the AK is the M+M 10X, and I'm not about to spend 2000CAD on a tarted up turd world rifle. If I wanted to buy something AKesque, I'd own an SG55x rifle again...it's like an AK but not shitty. I'm so old, that I remember the pre - internet days when posers used to regurgitate "knowledge" of the sort they gleaned from reading the various gun magazines and passed it off as their own wisdom. Damn; how time flies but some things always remain the same. the optics mount which dates back to literally Nazis 
overgassed as fuck heavy, especially once rails are added outdated outdated manufacturing methods outdated human interface etc. This isn't AKfiles lol muh thurdycal, muh steel and wood |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:37:29 AM EDT
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So yeah; you're just regurgitating what others have said. I'm so old, that I remember the pre - internet days when posers used to regurgitate "knowledge" of the sort they gleaned from reading the various gun magazines and passed it off as their own wisdom. Damn; how time flies but some things always remain the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? It was decent during the days of the early Cold War, while NATO was fucking around with battle rifles. That changed as soon as the M16 was adopted FWIW, the closest Snow Mexican equivalent to the AK is the M+M 10X, and I'm not about to spend 2000CAD on a tarted up turd world rifle. If I wanted to buy something AKesque, I'd own an SG55x rifle again...it's like an AK but not shitty. I'm so old, that I remember the pre - internet days when posers used to regurgitate "knowledge" of the sort they gleaned from reading the various gun magazines and passed it off as their own wisdom. Damn; how time flies but some things always remain the same. I trust their reasoning and opinions. At least I'm not regurgitating "knowledge" based on Commie propaganda. Enjoy your third world rifles! 
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:38:46 AM EDT
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Between the two and given no other choice the AR18. But reality I'd go next gen variation of small arms as AK offers little in any reliable mounting, rock in mags that weigh twice as much, and generally out dated design that is no longer a cheap alternative to build anymore.
Before a AK lover says anything, well yeah, we also had millions of Mosins and K98 mousers that were reliable and went boom too. If your thing is AK's are best, do you also daily drive a vehicle that has a carburetor, watch analog TV that still has vacuum tubes, top loading VCR, Commodore 64 computer, well rock on my retro friend. I also saw the original Red Dawn in a movie theater and bought and sold off many AK's to include Norinco and Poytech. But even the Russians and Chinese are going next gen AR18 based and if you haven't tracked the small arms market CZ sold rights to the Bren to Pakistan, Beretta builds ARX in Hungary, and IWI is selling their small arms all over the place, pretty much exclusively the Tavor/X95 to every former AK carrying forces. Basically your best AK makers have stopped making AK's for something else some time ago, like almost going 20 years. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:41:09 AM EDT
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Between the two and given no other choice the AR18. But reality I'd go next gen variation of small arms as AK offers little in any reliable mounting, rock in mags that weigh twice as much, and generally out dated design that is no longer a cheap alternative to build anymore. Before a AK lover says anything, well yeah, we also had millions of Mosins and K98 mousers that were reliable and went boom too. If your thing is AK's are best, do you also daily drive a vehicle that has a carburetor, watch TV that still has vacuum tubes, Commodore 64 computer, well rock on my retro friend. I also saw the original Red Dawn in a movie theater and bought and sold off many AK's to include Norinco and Poytech. But even the Russians and Chinese are going next gen AR18 based and if you haven't tracked the small arms market CZ sold rights to the Bren to Pakistan, Beretta builds ARX in Hungary, and IWI is selling their small arms all over the place, pretty much exclusively the Tavor/X95 to every former AK carrying forces. Basically your best AK makers have stopped making AK's for something else.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:42:53 AM EDT
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Clues from #currentyear: the optics mount which dates back to literally Nazis
overgassed as fuck heavy, especially once rails are added outdated outdated manufacturing methods outdated human interface etc. This isn't AKfiles lol muh thurdycal, muh steel and wood Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? It was decent during the days of the early Cold War, while NATO was fucking around with battle rifles. That changed as soon as the M16 was adopted FWIW, the closest Snow Mexican equivalent to the AK is the M+M 10X, and I'm not about to spend 2000CAD on a tarted up turd world rifle. If I wanted to buy something AKesque, I'd own an SG55x rifle again...it's like an AK but not shitty. I'm so old, that I remember the pre - internet days when posers used to regurgitate "knowledge" of the sort they gleaned from reading the various gun magazines and passed it off as their own wisdom. Damn; how time flies but some things always remain the same. the optics mount which dates back to literally Nazis
overgassed as fuck heavy, especially once rails are added outdated outdated manufacturing methods outdated human interface etc. This isn't AKfiles lol muh thurdycal, muh steel and wood 
So more of that same sort of regurgitated stuff from you: "I know how to appear more knowledgeable than I rally am. I repeat what others have save said, but then I reword it to sound more wise" |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:44:01 AM EDT
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FUCK YOU AND YOUR REGURGITATED OPINION YOU GODDAMN POSER MILIENIALIAL, VACUUM TUBES AND CARBURETORS ARE SUPERIOR Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between the two and given no other choice the AR18. But reality I'd go next gen variation of small arms as AK offers little in any reliable mounting, rock in mags that weigh twice as much, and generally out dated design that is no longer a cheap alternative to build anymore. Before a AK lover says anything, well yeah, we also had millions of Mosins and K98 mousers that were reliable and went boom too. If your thing is AK's are best, do you also daily drive a vehicle that has a carburetor, watch TV that still has vacuum tubes, Commodore 64 computer, well rock on my retro friend. I also saw the original Red Dawn in a movie theater and bought and sold off many AK's to include Norinco and Poytech. But even the Russians and Chinese are going next gen AR18 based and if you haven't tracked the small arms market CZ sold rights to the Bren to Pakistan, Beretta builds ARX in Hungary, and IWI is selling their small arms all over the place, pretty much exclusively the Tavor/X95 to every former AK carrying forces. Basically your best AK makers have stopped making AK's for something else. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:46:36 AM EDT
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LOL, I barely made the gen X cut. But I do enjoy the boomer vs millennial "I hate you dad" and "my son the snowflake" fights here. Seriously, I did see Red Dawn in a theater. Hah. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between the two and given no other choice the AR18. But reality I'd go next gen variation of small arms as AK offers little in any reliable mounting, rock in mags that weigh twice as much, and generally out dated design that is no longer a cheap alternative to build anymore. Before a AK lover says anything, well yeah, we also had millions of Mosins and K98 mousers that were reliable and went boom too. If your thing is AK's are best, do you also daily drive a vehicle that has a carburetor, watch TV that still has vacuum tubes, Commodore 64 computer, well rock on my retro friend. I also saw the original Red Dawn in a movie theater and bought and sold off many AK's to include Norinco and Poytech. But even the Russians and Chinese are going next gen AR18 based and if you haven't tracked the small arms market CZ sold rights to the Bren to Pakistan, Beretta builds ARX in Hungary, and IWI is selling their small arms all over the place, pretty much exclusively the Tavor/X95 to every former AK carrying forces. Basically your best AK makers have stopped making AK's for something else.  
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:49:06 AM EDT
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So more of that same sort of regurgitated stuff from you: "I know how to appear more knowledgeable than I rally am. I repeat what others have save said, but then I reword it to sound more wise" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The rifle that was produced in numbers circa 100,000,000 and battle proven worldwide under all conditions. Got any pics of your own AKs and want to tell us how many rounds you run through them every week ? It was decent during the days of the early Cold War, while NATO was fucking around with battle rifles. That changed as soon as the M16 was adopted FWIW, the closest Snow Mexican equivalent to the AK is the M+M 10X, and I'm not about to spend 2000CAD on a tarted up turd world rifle. If I wanted to buy something AKesque, I'd own an SG55x rifle again...it's like an AK but not shitty. I'm so old, that I remember the pre - internet days when posers used to regurgitate "knowledge" of the sort they gleaned from reading the various gun magazines and passed it off as their own wisdom. Damn; how time flies but some things always remain the same. the optics mount which dates back to literally Nazis
overgassed as fuck heavy, especially once rails are added outdated outdated manufacturing methods outdated human interface etc. This isn't AKfiles lol muh thurdycal, muh steel and wood
So more of that same sort of regurgitated stuff from you: "I know how to appear more knowledgeable than I rally am. I repeat what others have save said, but then I reword it to sound more wise" 
you're right, I should be narrow minded and unwilling (and/or unable) to re-evaluate my opinions! |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:53:32 AM EDT
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Between the two and given no other choice the AR18. But reality I'd go next gen variation of small arms as AK offers little in any reliable mounting, rock in mags that weigh twice as much, and generally out dated design that is no longer a cheap alternative to build anymore. Before a AK lover says anything, well yeah, we also had millions of Mosins and K98 mousers that were reliable and went boom too. If your thing is AK's are best, do you also daily drive a vehicle that has a carburetor, watch TV that still has vacuum tubes, Commodore 64 computer, well rock on my retro friend. I also saw the original Red Dawn in a movie theater and bought and sold off many AK's to include Norinco and Poytech. But even the Russians and Chinese are going next gen AR18 based and if you haven't tracked the small arms market CZ sold rights to the Bren to Pakistan, Beretta builds ARX in Hungary, and IWI is selling their small arms all over the place, pretty much exclusively the Tavor/X95 to every former AK carrying forces. Basically your best AK makers have stopped making AK's for something else. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:58:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @RustedAce, and numerous others are SMEs. They're not fond of the AK. I trust their reasoning and opinions. At least I'm not regurgitating "knowledge" based on Commie propaganda. Enjoy your third world rifles!
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:59:05 AM EDT
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Hey I saw that Costco sold a retro mini video game that looks like the ones at the old video game places that had Asteroids. I took a pic of it and sent it to my son and laughed as I resumed my retro tank game on my iPhone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Between the two and given no other choice the AR18. But reality I'd go next gen variation of small arms as AK offers little in any reliable mounting, rock in mags that weigh twice as much, and generally out dated design that is no longer a cheap alternative to build anymore. Before a AK lover says anything, well yeah, we also had millions of Mosins and K98 mousers that were reliable and went boom too. If your thing is AK's are best, do you also daily drive a vehicle that has a carburetor, watch TV that still has vacuum tubes, Commodore 64 computer, well rock on my retro friend. I also saw the original Red Dawn in a movie theater and bought and sold off many AK's to include Norinco and Poytech. But even the Russians and Chinese are going next gen AR18 based and if you haven't tracked the small arms market CZ sold rights to the Bren to Pakistan, Beretta builds ARX in Hungary, and IWI is selling their small arms all over the place, pretty much exclusively the Tavor/X95 to every former AK carrying forces. Basically your best AK makers have stopped making AK's for something else. Video games? According to 87% of Boomers, you're a goddamn Millennial
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:00:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: @RustedAce, and numerous others are SMEs. They're not fond of the AK. I trust their reasoning and opinions. At least I'm not regurgitating "knowledge" based on Commie propaganda. Enjoy your third world rifles!
https://i.imgur.com/LBIZZEw.jpg?2 But better than Turd World 
If I had one, I'd slather it with ZentiCo parts 
Do you use a trashcan as a case to transport it?
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:12:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Third world Tier One. Unfortunate! But better than Turd World
If I had one, I'd slather it with ZentiCo parts
Do you use a trashcan as a case to transport it? Zenitco B-10M and B-33. Optic is a PO 4x17. In all seriousness, this 104FR is in another class to most other AKs. OP needs to pick an AK variant to make the comparison fair. Oh, and I transport mine in this, with the stock folded. 
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:13:42 AM EDT
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AK... Yuck
AR18 please. Or a stick. A rock or something maybe. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:15:24 AM EDT
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Russian made AK. It works.
One good thing about the AR-18 design is that many of the internal parts are easily fabricated by hand. |
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