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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:21:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:21:46 PM EDT
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Yup, they advised him to do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol IIRC, the senior leadership of the NRA made the recommendation. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:23:43 PM EDT
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It was alway 7d chess.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:24:45 PM EDT
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He was arrested for being a violent dangerous nutbag, prohibited from owning firearms and happened to have a bumpstock too, so it got tacked on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't someone become the first person to be arrested for owning one very recently? Is this his case? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:25:07 PM EDT
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Can’t stop the signal
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:25:46 PM EDT
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. 
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:26:51 PM EDT
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No shit, Chet.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:27:54 PM EDT
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So they are legal again? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:27:56 PM EDT
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Well, I found a great new org worthy of some of my hard earned dollars. If anyone else wants to support the nonprofit working on this, see https://nclalegal.org/donate/ they have a comment field where I'll be sure to mention my appreciation of their attention to this matter.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:28:26 PM EDT
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9749/20190920_222501-1097461.jpg |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:28:45 PM EDT
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Bump reparashins nao!
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:29:12 PM EDT
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Aaaaaand not a damn thing will change.
I wish it would though... |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:31:19 PM EDT
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THAT is what SWIRE is telling stories about. His TDS is trying to blame Trump's ego for something his paymasters at the NRA fiercely advocated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9749/20190920_222501-1097461.jpg |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:31:51 PM EDT
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Trump lashes out at anyone that might make him look bad. The largest mass shooting happened on his watch and he said he made it his personal mission to do something meaningful and not just something that feels good. It is almost as if Trump blamed the NRA and the gun industry for allowing it to happen and make him look bad. 
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:34:11 PM EDT
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Come on guys, Wayne LaPierre tried...
 Wayne LaPierre reacts to Las Vegas tragedy, bump stock issue |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:34:51 PM EDT
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Anyone find any other coverage?
Any word from NOLO? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:36:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:37:01 PM EDT
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No Authority and No Due Process, but if you don't respect the organized criminals in Washington then you are some kind of sovereign citizen type or criminal.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:37:34 PM EDT
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Aaaaaand not a damn thing will change. I wish it would though... |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:37:35 PM EDT
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Interesting. Wonder if they will get Had another adjective. But I don't want to violate the COC. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:38:13 PM EDT
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So they are legal again? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:40:17 PM EDT
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And they didn't have the authority to require Parts Kits barrels be demilled for importation, either, but they did.
Just more Legislating from the bureaucrat's desk. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:40:27 PM EDT
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So it's like the whole shouldering pistols thing?
The ATF needs to stay in its corner and STFU. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:42:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:42:31 PM EDT
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https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:43:25 PM EDT
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582 https://imgur.com/aBdAs7m |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:43:43 PM EDT
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Shoot mine all the time. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:45:09 PM EDT
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So, when will the ATF reimburse me for the 4,328 bump stocks I owned and had to destroy? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:45:41 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter. State legislatures across the Country have banned them, so that's that.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:46:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:50:19 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter. State legislatures across the Country have banned them, so that's that. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:50:27 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter. State legislatures across the Country have banned them, so that's that. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:53:44 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter. State legislatures across the Country have banned them, so that's that. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:55:38 PM EDT
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So the ATF said the change was unlawful, now are they gonna keep enforcing the unlawful decision? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:55:45 PM EDT
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Class action lawsuit for restitution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, when will the ATF reimburse me for the 4,328 bump stocks I owned and had to destroy? may be able to afford a lobster roll in the end |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:57:18 PM EDT
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where does that leave us?
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:58:35 PM EDT
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I'm at the point where I wish they never existed to begin with...….
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Posted: 9/20/2019 10:59:26 PM EDT
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. 
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:01:35 PM EDT
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Now how many turned them in or destroyed ? https://imgur.com/aBdAs7m 
 Texas company destroys 60,000 bump stocks after Trump ban goes into effect |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:02:07 PM EDT
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. Yup, no way the strategy could go sideways...no way. I don't believe you, I think the NRA took the "Neville Chamberlain" approach to 2nd Amendment policy and it bit them in their ass. The ATF should (if it exists) enforce the laws congress writes, not write their own. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:02:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:06:03 PM EDT
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So they are legal again? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:12:48 PM EDT
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. The best course of action was to do NOTHING. The judiciary was and still remains a huge coin toss. It is my opinion that if the courts look at this issue and see "machine gun" then we lose. If they see executive over reach then we may still lose because of Chevron deference. Seeing how the various federal courts have responded to the numerous requests for injunctions to stall the implementation of this administrative law change, I would say our chances don't look that great from here. The only people who think kicking any issue into the judiciary to resolve, especially issues pertaining to machine guns, is a good idea, relative to getting Congress to agree on something, are people who don't understand how our government works. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:12:59 PM EDT
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Some, not ours. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't matter. State legislatures across the Country have banned them, so that's that. (Until they're given a court order to do so.  )
https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/Title18/T18CH33/SECT18-3315B/ That apparently applies to "a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition." "No federal executive order, agency order, law, statute, rule or regulation issued, enacted or promulgated on or after the effective date of this act, shall be knowingly and willfully ordered to be enforced by any official, agent or employee of the state or a political subdivision of the state if contrary to the provisions of section 11, article I, of the constitution of the state of Idaho." An applicable portion of the state constitution: "No law shall impose licensure, registration or special taxation on the ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition. Nor shall any law permit the confiscation of firearms, except those actually used in the commission of a felony." |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:17:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:21:11 PM EDT
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. The NRA gave Rick Scott and RINOs in Florida cover. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:28:03 PM EDT
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Now how many turned them in or destroyed ? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:30:16 PM EDT
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. Over $1k in parts that were legally acquired, destroyed to comply with an illegal, yet NRA supported, rule. Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox deserve to die of cancer for that joint statement, as do their lackeys. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:30:26 PM EDT
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What shooting spree in the US was larger? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We all knew that and were saying that. That is why the NRA's strategy of stopping the ban legislation that the Republicans were pushing and kicking it back to the ATF was a great strategy. No one expected Trump to make it his personal mission to ban bump stocks and order the DOJ to change the definition of machine gun to include them. Personally, I think Trump knew this would be the result, but was feeling "in the moment" the need to do something to derail real "common sense" gun control. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:30:36 PM EDT
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Shoot mine all the time. It’s either a point of no return, or a return. |
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