You should.

Coming up on 20 years gone from there myself. Figured I would be dead by now if I had stayed-way too many people knew what I had (all nice and legally purchased years before) that got made illegal.

The problem I have, is that the Republican Party has a platform. Smaller government, less spending/fiscal responsibility, and pro 2nd.

How hard is it to stick to at least those 3 principles? (obviously hard, since the vast majority of them don't).

Yeah, Trump would have been better than biden (hell, romney or !jeb would be better than biden), but the point is, I'm not staying with someone that "only" beats me 20% of the time. But, I'm a tiny minority in that regard, so we'll continue down the road to a Socialist government, while the right makes excuses for their help in taking us there.

What you or I think does not matter- only what those in power decide. You can swear all day long that a Bumpstock isn't a machine gun (it isn't), but the courts wont see it that way, and you will get screwed over.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

It's unfortunately correct and hinges on "readily restored".



Different courts have interpreted it differently. None are favorable towards freedom.

It is going to be a lot harder to declare 20 or 30 million rifles in common use illegal by fiat and demand they be turned in.

When has illogic or difficulty ever stopped the federal government from pursuit of a want before?

How is a semi auto a machine gun when it only shoots one shot per function of the trigger ?

Not saying it is impossible.

People aren't going to comply with it though.

I wouldn't doubt courts may strike it down too. Wouldn't count on it, but it might be too big of a bite for them.

Other countries have done it. Turn it in by such and such date, or you will face felony charges if caught with it.

Might not happen this year or next year, but we are on that road.

I read that yesterday and it was stupid conjecture then.

For the most part we comply.

Hiding it somewhere is a form of compliance. Sure ny had very little compliance (as did the Bumpstock ban), BUT, the law is still hanging over your head and you are screwed if you get caught.

Once any law is on the books, it's tough to get rid of, and usually ends up being expanded on over time, which the gov has more of than we do.

Gun culture and amount of guns are a lot stronger in this country then those countries.

That doesn't even get into the attitude of people today, they're already pissed and waking up to what is going on.

I think even those other countries would have far less compliance today then they did then. Now they are rioting over lockdowns, masks, vaccines in those countries. Think they'd hand over their guns today ? Some would but not as many as did in the 1990s.

Ah, but do you actually believe the demorats WOULDN'T have try to do this if Trump HAD NOT banned Bump Stocks?

They would have gone after the semi auto sport utility rifles anyway.

They must disarm us in order to ensure their totalitarian government.

Disregard.

You are preaching to the choir on that point.  I am completely disgusted by the state level Republicans in the very red free state that I live in.  There is only one state House Rep that would I would consider strongly pro-gun and outspoken, a couple others are pro-gun but don't speak up much.  There are maybe 2 state Senators that are strongly pro-gun.  The Republicans have a super majority in both houses but still moving any pro-gun bill requires an act of God.  

Then Covid hit and all but the one outspoken House Rep stayed silent while the Democrat Governor stomping on our rights.  They knew there was no point in fighting, as they weren't in session, so they just did nothing until re-election time when they tried to brag about how much they opposed the Governor.  Once they got re-elected and the session started in January the first thing out of the Republican leadership's mouth was "we look forward to working with the Governor".  Then they passed limited measures to reign in the Governor instead of making some major changes that were needed.  

That said though and to you point of "not sticking with someone that only beats on you 20% of the time" there is nowhere else to go.  There should be, again if we had unlimited candidates to pick from this would not be an issue, but we don't.  Unfortunately politics work from the top down, those people have the money, endorsements, connections, and leadership positions. If you want to advance as a new legislator then you have to do what the leadership tells you or you get sidelined.  Meaning even if you get some good new candidates elected, they instantly get corrupted so that they can get some accomplishments under their name.  

Now the one state House Rep that is outspoken, she is more a conservative libertarian.  She actually stands on her principles and argues that it isn't the government right or their place to tell people what to do and that it should be up to the people to make their own choices.  She is also adamant that "the people should not have to ask the government for permission to own or carry a firearm".  If we could find more people like then things could change but the Republican leadership has already sidelined her multiple times because she is outspoken and stands on principle.  

Until changes happen I have no choice but to back the establishment Republicans because they are going to be in power no matter what and I rather have a seat at the table so I have influence then sit on the sidelines and have no influence.

Sitting on the sidelines may not be the perfect answer but I'd rather do that than keep voting in the RINO bunch we seem to keep supporting.  Let the dems be elected.  Let them push too far and find out.  No sweat off my sack.  I'm tired of this toeing the line bullshit.  If you aren't a no-compromise supported of the 2nd you don't get my vote.  Period!  If that means I don't vote for a while, fine.  I'll be sure to let them know what I'm looking for but meeting that demand is up to them.  And then there's the question of what good our votes have anyway due to fraud and shady on-goings.  

That's my view of things.  

The Taliban got some sweet stuff

If the batf can say that a piece of plastic that doesn't have a trigger is a machinegun, then I guess they can say a semi-auto is full-auto.  

As noted above, socialist mass murderers are acutely aware that the population must be disarmed and helpless before they can proceed.

Good who gives a F?

Back in the 1920’s Frank and Peter Gusenberg of the North Side Gang lit up a restaurant that Al Capone was eating in with almost 400 rounds in less than 2 minutes from their Thompson Sub-Machine guns

It’s going to be fun to be a gangster

funny how they do this when Ammo is in high demand of low output.

It's worse than that.

AFT is not using the "function of the trigger", they are using "pull of the trigger". This requires an action by the shooter to fire, AND an action by the shooter to reset the trigger. Also, AFT will get* to determine what "trigger pull" is. 4lb, 5lb+, distance, reset distance,......

If it needs to go that far.

They took the old open bolt semi auto pistol and picked a date that any made after that would be considered machine guns. Somehow the ones made before that date were not. Not saying they did it and it was within the law but they did it. It is not a "never been done before" thing for them to do.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/1982-8-sm10-sm11a-pistols-and-sac-carbines-nfa-weapons/download

Your not wrong but the time for voting has passed long ago.
Our country on the contrary has a history of non-compliance look at Prohibition, Civil War, and during revolutionary war when Patriots disobeyed the King of England by forming an independent nation and fought the red coats.
You are correct that fellow gun owners as a whole can not be counted on to defend you if you alone waged war against AFT.
We lose our remaining gun/civil rights that should be our hill to die on and I considered the inaction for correcting the election fraud the final straw that I consider this a legitimate government anymore to follow.

FAFT

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Golly.

They can do the same with AR15 lower receivers.

After the 1st one, the rest are free.

This country is armed to the teeth with thousands of vets, who are not too fond of the current situation.

And the CDC as well

Sure they would have- that's what dems do. They are the anit gun party.

Trump sure as hell didn't help us by banning the Bumpstocks (the way he did it), and the rest of the Republicans were sure quiet about it.

Most Republicans are fine with disarming us and having a totalitarian government as well.

That mindset is what helped bring us to where we are. Team R vs Team d-those are your absolute only choices.

Since the vast majority believe that, here we are. Republicans know this, and can count on the vast majority of their voters because they simply aren't democrats.

Maybe if the Republican party started losing to Libertarian or Constitution party candidates, they would get back to following their party platform. The only way that happens is the vast majority of people wake up and leave them. They wont change on their own, because there is no down side for them when they pass gun control, big spending bills, and increase the size of government.

And that goes for your last sentence about backing establishment Republicans. How does that end up a winning strategy in the long run? How does rewarding them election after election send them a message? We have taught them that they can do the opposite of their own party platform, and are still guaranteed support as long as they have that R after their name.

Exactly.

If Republicans start losing to 3rd party people, they may get back to being the party of the 2nd Amendment, smaller government, and less spending.  

I doubt that ever happens though, since the vast majority are locked into the Team R vs Team d no matter what mindset.

The atf can do whatever they want, because there is no accountability.

That pretty much goes for the vast majority of the government as well.