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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:34:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:36:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to goad people into potentially admitting criminal intent is a dick move, and should be a bannable offense.  It's what they do. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:40:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. I’m not sure if we are at the point where more than a small fraction of a percent of gun owners will be non compliant.. and I’m not sure if we will ever be there short of an economic collapse. Richmond Virginia should have burned to the ground when 7 of the 8 gun control bills passed. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:50:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:56:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I highly doubt that. Self contained cartridge firing handguns starting with the Colt 1862 and everything afterwards up to the enactment of the NFA was 61 years. A shit ton of handguns were made and that's not counting all the cap 'n balls and conversions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. I agree. Although let’s keep in mind in 1890 for example the US population was 60 million. In 2020 there are an estimated 100 million gun owners. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:01:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. Although let's keep in mind in 1890 for example the US population was 60 million. In 2020 there are an estimated 100 million gun owners. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. I agree. Although let's keep in mind in 1890 for example the US population was 60 million. In 2020 there are an estimated 100 million gun owners. In my social circles. We all own multiple times what someone in 1890 would own. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:08:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 1890, a larger percentage of the people outright owned guns versus now that a smaller percentage own a shit ton of guns. Back then, it was common for many families to have a family scattergun leaning against the kitchen door. Sure, they didn't have seventeen rifles and eighty seven handguns. But percentage wise, more people in 1890 own guns. In 2020, it is far more common for a smaller percentage of the population to own a battery of guns. In my social circles. We all own multiple times what someone in 1890 would own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. I agree. Although let's keep in mind in 1890 for example the US population was 60 million. In 2020 there are an estimated 100 million gun owners. In my social circles. We all own multiple times what someone in 1890 would own. Oh I agree. I’m just saying.. 100 million gun owners compared to 60million total US pop. It is possible that there are more braced pistols in the wild than there were handguns in 1890. I do doubt it, but it’s possible. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:18:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to goad people into potentially admitting criminal intent is a dick move, and should be a bannable offense. The funny thing is I don't even own a brace yet. Have been thinking about the 20-20 Recovery Tactical brace and following it very closely. The Jr ATF man needs to try harder. 
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:21:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The funny thing is I don't even own a brace yet. Have been thinking about the 20-20 Recovery Tactical brace and following very closely. The Jr ATF man needs to try harder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trying to goad people into potentially admitting criminal intent is a dick move, and should be a bannable offense. The funny thing is I don't even own a brace yet. Have been thinking about the 20-20 Recovery Tactical brace and following very closely. The Jr ATF man needs to try harder. My first brace came in the mail yesterday (shockwave 2.0 m). I’ve got an sbr, just wanted something I can travel with Easier and cheaper to keep above the closet. Rainy weekend so I’ll assemble the lower today likely. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:34:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first brace came in the mail yesterday (shockwave 2.0 m). I’ve got an sbr, just wanted something I can travel with Easier and cheaper to keep above the closet. Rainy weekend so I’ll assemble the lower today likely. Don't worry your brace is safe, we have that defender of the 2nd amendment in-office Donald J Trump, and his closest 2nd amendment advisor Don Jr. Don't you feel safe?  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:37:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't worry your brace is safe, we have that defender of the 2nd amendment in-office Donald J Trump, and his closest 2nd amendment advisor Don Jr. Don't you feel safe? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My first brace came in the mail yesterday (shockwave 2.0 m). I’ve got an sbr, just wanted something I can travel with Easier and cheaper to keep above the closet. Rainy weekend so I’ll assemble the lower today likely. Don't worry your brace is safe, we have that defender of the 2nd amendment in-office Donald J Trump, and his closest 2nd amendment advisor Don Jr. Don't you feel safe? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Oh I’m sure they will likely be banned. For sure during trumps second term. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:40:19 AM EDT
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Braces are just range toys anyway. We needed to appease the gun grabbers with something.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:45:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Braces are just range toys anyway. We needed to appease the gun grabbers with something. At what point will the apologist get upset, and place blame where it belongs? Just curious what you think? |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:47:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Braces are just range toys anyway. We needed to appease the gun grabbers with something. Life’s a compromise. ETA: for conservatives and the BOR anyways 
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Posted: 10/10/2020 12:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At what point will the apologist get upset, and place blame where it belongs? Just curious what you think? Probably right after the last single shot featureless 22lr is banned. bUt MuH rEpUbLiCaNs!! |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 5:21:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2020 5:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. You can read the original NFA hearings HERE, you know: |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 6:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh, I've read it. Frederick's statements about machine guns is sickening.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 7:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't worry your brace is safe, we have that defender of the 2nd amendment in-office Donald J Trump, and his closest 2nd amendment advisor Don Jr. Don't you feel safe? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My first brace came in the mail yesterday (shockwave 2.0 m). I've got an sbr, just wanted something I can travel with Easier and cheaper to keep above the closet. Rainy weekend so I'll assemble the lower today likely. Don't worry your brace is safe, we have that defender of the 2nd amendment in-office Donald J Trump, and his closest 2nd amendment advisor Don Jr. Don't you feel safe? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif TIL, the origin of that laughing meme  (TIME 2:52): Idi Amin gives away his plans to invade Israel. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 7:28:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2020 8:06:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TIL, the origin of that laughing meme (TIME 2:52): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phPMSCcpb40Thanks, never saw before. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 8:47:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not sure if we are at the point where more than a small fraction of a percent of gun owners will be non compliant.. and I’m not sure if we will ever be there short of an economic collapse. Richmond Virginia should have burned to the ground when 7 of the 8 gun control bills passed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only reason why handguns were removed from the NFA was the Federal Government at the time thought it might be hard to enforce. I would not be surprised if there are more braced pistols in civilian hands today than there were handguns when the NFA was passed. I’m not sure if we are at the point where more than a small fraction of a percent of gun owners will be non compliant.. and I’m not sure if we will ever be there short of an economic collapse. Richmond Virginia should have burned to the ground when 7 of the 8 gun control bills passed.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 9:47:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote History"They've got 'em working in shifts at the Second Amendment Coalition!"  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:09:27 PM EDT
[#25]
If everyone itt would contact the whitehouse and make this an issue, maybe we could get Trumps attention.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ Do it. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If everyone itt would contact the whitehouse and make this an issue, maybe we could get Trumps attention. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ Do it. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ Maybe you guys can catch him in between tweets. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:46:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you guys can catch him in between tweets. I don't mind him tweeting, I do mind him hiring shitty people like wRay, Rosenstein, Rex Tillerson, mcmaster, mooch .. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:54:59 PM EDT
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Contact the whitehouse .
Do it. Stop fucking crying about this or that and fire off a few words. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:55:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_0954_JPG-1623108.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_9119_JPG-1623109.JPG I think at this point a solid argument can be made that SBR and SBS laws are stupid and pointless. Pistol braces and "firearms" that are 14" barreled shotguns have been around and very popular for about eight years now and there has not been any adverse effects through their use in regards to violent crime. The NFA is a tax scheme and a violation of the 2nd. +1 |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:56:47 PM EDT
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Quote History@ me when we’re past negotiating what citizens are allowed to keep owning, and we’re at the point where we gain ground back on the 2nd. Hearing about how people are considering if we should hit the breaks before we go off a cliff isn’t exactly my cup of tea. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Top men are on it... WH Investigating ATF Decision to Increase Regulation on Certain Pistols top men.  |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:05:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I highly doubt that. Self contained cartridge firing handguns starting with the Colt 1862 and everything afterwards up to the enactment of the NFA was 61 years. A shit ton of handguns were made and that's not counting all the cap 'n balls and conversions. Black powder cartridges though.  |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "The White House and leadership at the Department of Justice are reviewing this matter to ensure there is no interference with the ability of law-abiding citizensincluding lawful firearms manufacturersto exercise their constitutionally guaranteed liberties." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Top men are on it... WH Investigating ATF Decision to Increase Regulation on Certain Pistols top men.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 10:10:44 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryKeep the pressure up! |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 10:18:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Top men are on it... WH Investigating ATF Decision to Increase Regulation on Certain Pistols top men. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102941/5211272A-5D5D-4B0E-AA97-08EE3E5A71F1_jpe-1630093.JPG  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 10:58:40 AM EDT
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As America moved from being isolated and rural to urban and suburban and as the population consists of a mainly public school indoctrinated citizenry...less people own more firearms.
As long as badger is the theme time for them to bring out a Wolverine...or a Wild Weasel. |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:12:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as badger is the theme time for them to bring out a Wolverine...or a Wild Weasel. They already have the Sugar Weasel. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between it and the Honey Badger though |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:21:08 AM EDT
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I know this has turned into a n_t thread but have any of you thought that the timing was suspect on this announcement?
I know you will all blame Trump no matter what and discourage people from voting for him so your boy Joe has a better shot. To me the timing is suspect, like Obama appointees or other leftist bureaucrats timed this for election time. I’m sure the talking points were already typed up and ready to go. |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:25:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this has turned into a n_t thread but have any of you thought that the timing was suspect on this announcement? I know you will all blame Trump no matter what and discourage people from voting for him so your boy Joe has a better shot. To me the timing is suspect, like Obama appointees or other leftist bureaucrats timed this for election time. I’m sure the talking points were already typed up and ready to go. So you are saying it is not his fault because he is too incompetent to handle his own agencies. I don’t like the idea that incompetence is a reason to support someone. Maybe you would like to look at his previous pick to head the ATF and his previous actions with the ATF and revise your thoughts. |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:38:31 AM EDT
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Did someone say something? I thought I heard a ‘rat.
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:43:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did someone say something? I thought I heard a ‘rat. Oh look the poster can’t handle debate and has to resort to name calling. |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:45:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this has turned into a n_t thread but have any of you thought that the timing was suspect on this announcement? I know you will all blame Trump no matter what and discourage people from voting for him so your boy Joe has a better shot. To me the timing is suspect, like Obama appointees or other leftist bureaucrats timed this for election time. I’m sure the talking points were already typed up and ready to go. Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this has turned into a n_t thread but have any of you thought that the timing was suspect on this announcement? I know you will all blame Trump no matter what and discourage people from voting for him so your boy Joe has a better shot. To me the timing is suspect, like Obama appointees or other leftist bureaucrats timed this for election time. I’m sure the talking points were already typed up and ready to go. Once again, as I said on page 15 and again on page 26...  Trump has had 3 years to clean house at ATF and the opportunity to appoint a pro-2A ATF Director and pro-2A AG. What did we get? Zero ATF deep state house cleaning, an anti-gun Director nominee who was such poison that Republicans said they wouldn't vote for him lest it hurt their record and his name had to be withdrawn, and an AG that defends the snipers at Ruby Ridge. If this hurts Trump, there's no one but Trump to blame...  Attached FileSorry this is Trump's tar baby...  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:49:02 AM EDT
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Is it normal for a field office to make this kind of determination? I wonder if they consulted the tech branch? Seems odd to me
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:50:05 AM EDT
[#45]
... vote straight Republican
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Posted: 10/11/2020 11:58:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryLets play Wheel of GD Deflection! Will you land on 'Join Date', 'Post Count', 'Sorry Your Girl Lost', or 'Troll'??? Time to find out! |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 12:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets play Wheel of GD Deflection! Will you land on 'Join Date', 'Post Count', 'Sorry Your Girl Lost', or 'Troll'??? Time to find out! I can get the boot licker bingo card out if you want... 
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Posted: 10/11/2020 12:11:27 PM EDT
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I'm sickitated at the very thought of voting.
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Posted: 10/11/2020 12:27:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again, as I said on page 15 and again on page 26... Sorry this is Trump's tar baby... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102941/the_buck_stops_here_oval_office_jpg-1628344.JPG Well - you know what they used to say. To Err is Truman. |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 7:23:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this has turned into a n_t thread but have any of you thought that the timing was suspect on this announcement? I know you will all blame Trump no matter what and discourage people from voting for him so your boy Joe has a better shot. To me the timing is suspect, like Obama appointees or other leftist bureaucrats timed this for election time. I’m sure the talking points were already typed up and ready to go. False Flag in 3... 2... 1... |
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