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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:14:33 PM EDT
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Some good news today.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:14:53 PM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:17:12 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some good news today. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:22:50 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Abortions do not ultimately reduce birth rates. They only change the timing. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:24:20 PM EDT
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I don't care one way or the other but I would suspect future crime rates will increase.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:24:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:24:57 PM EDT
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interesting, I am surprised liberals aren't making this more of an issue for the election.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:26:15 PM EDT
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Terrible news for Republicans.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:27:01 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Hmmmm.......... most folks don't look at it this way. You do have a very valid point. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Being against abortion is not being in support of a welfare state. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:27:58 PM EDT
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Bigger govt did something some people like. So now it's ok.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:29:10 PM EDT
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Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:31:50 PM EDT
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Nazi death camps were an industry too. They produced a lot of medical knowledge and got a lot of labor done.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:32:33 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. That's illogical. Financial constraints have never been justification for taking a human life. Preventing one crime does not limit one from complaining about another. You might as well say that if you make theft illegal you can't complain about the welfare the thieves need if they don't have your cash. Besides, they are not being "forced out of business," there is a combination of laws that limit public funding for this private medical procedure and regulations that make abortion clinics rise to the same regulations and standards of any other medical clinic that provides treatments of the same level of invasiveness. If a clinic does not want too meet the same medical standards that every one else has to, then tough. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:32:59 PM EDT
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Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. If something is legal that makes it moral or ok ? |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:33:10 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. That argument is one of the stupidest I have ever heard. There is so much wrong and twisted about that way of thinking, I don't even know where to begin. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:33:42 PM EDT
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Terrible news for Republicans. Yep. Democrats killing their young seems like self-correcting problem. 
It's a messed up world we live in. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:33:43 PM EDT
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Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. That excuse was tried at Nurenburg. It failed. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:33:49 PM EDT
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Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. So the Nazis killing Jews was not murder? Your statement means exactly that, there is no other way to take it. Care to revise your statement? |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:35:12 PM EDT
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Nazi death camps were an industry too. They produced a lot of medical knowledge and got a lot of labor done. Plus they were legal at the time |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:35:50 PM EDT
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So the Nazis killing Jews was not murder? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. So the Nazis killing Jews was not murder? It was legal in Germany, so apparently not. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Or make it easier to adopt, don't reward hood rats for getting knocked up, better sex Ed... |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:37:09 PM EDT
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I love abortion threads.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:37:42 PM EDT
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Nazi death camps were an industry too. They produced a lot of medical knowledge and got a lot of labor done. And were legal under German law |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nazi death camps were an industry too. They produced a lot of medical knowledge and got a lot of labor done. Plus popularized the tattoo |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:38:06 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. By the way, if you oppose gun violence, you can't whine too much about anti-gun laws, can you? |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:38:55 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. It's good to know that in your omnipotence you can determine the direction a life will take while in the womb. Perhaps you should change your name to God. And yes, this is good news, none of these children deserve to be murdered out of convenience. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:39:30 PM EDT
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Yep. Democrats killing their young seems like self-correcting problem.
It's a messed up world we live in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Terrible news for Republicans. Yep. Democrats killing their young seems like self-correcting problem.
It's a messed up world we live in. Nope, simply not true. Democrats had the abortion vote locked up because they were the soft shoulder validating the murderous members of our society. they don't like being thought of as murderers by themselves or anyone else, and the democrat party helped with this. If they don't become members of a class of people who associate with what democrats tell them is OK, they are less likely to become democrats for that reason. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:40:20 PM EDT
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Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Killing Jews or owning slaves, yeah those were legal too. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:41:14 PM EDT
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Killing Jews or owning slaves, yeah those were legal too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Killing Jews or owning slaves, yeah those were legal too. Oh, those things were fine during that time, but in our culture they're not. But we can't judge other cultures by our own, now can we? The Muslims beating women and murdering nonbelievers, that's just their culture too, we should respect that. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:41:26 PM EDT
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Welfare queens like having kids to get a free check. Abortion laws mean jack to them in this regard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. This is my estimation as well. I don't think many people apt to get welfare (or want it) were high on the abortion clinic list anyway. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:41:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By the way, if you oppose gun violence, you can't whine too much about anti-gun laws, can you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. By the way, if you oppose gun violence, you can't whine too much about anti-gun laws, can you? |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:41:29 PM EDT
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That's illogical. Financial constraints have never been justification for taking a human life. Preventing one crime does not limit one from complaining about another. You might as well say that if you make theft illegal you can't complain about the welfare the thieves need if they don't have your cash. Besides, they are not being "forced out of business," there is a combination of laws that limit public funding for this private medical procedure and regulations that make abortion clinics rise to the same regulations and standards of any other medical clinic that provides treatments of the same level of invasiveness. If a clinic does not want too meet the same medical standards that every one else has to, then tough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. That's illogical. Financial constraints have never been justification for taking a human life. Preventing one crime does not limit one from complaining about another. You might as well say that if you make theft illegal you can't complain about the welfare the thieves need if they don't have your cash. Besides, they are not being "forced out of business," there is a combination of laws that limit public funding for this private medical procedure and regulations that make abortion clinics rise to the same regulations and standards of any other medical clinic that provides treatments of the same level of invasiveness. If a clinic does not want too meet the same medical standards that every one else has to, then tough. A church youth broke into the local clinic after hours and did enough property damage that repair was not financially viable for the practice. That's kind of "forced out of business'. I do feel that abortion is not a moral act under most circumstances, but I'm not sure I can agree with backwards methods to close the clinics vs direct legislation by the will of the people. That smells like the methods of the other side. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:41:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Killing Jews or owning slaves, yeah those were legal too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Killing Jews or owning slaves, yeah those were legal too. What about Jewish slavery that lasted a millennia? Everyone forgets that And it's still cool to hate Jews |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:41:58 PM EDT
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... I'll have a Coke
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:42:07 PM EDT
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Yay! We've taken a perfectly safe medical procedure that has been all but perfected in the 40 years it's been in common practice and pushed it BACK into alleys and dark apartments where MORE people will die and be incarcerated as a result.
Go big .gov, you're my hero! |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:42:18 PM EDT
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More abortions=less welfare? Lol, maybe.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:43:27 PM EDT
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I understand the major thrust of this is simply requiring surgical medical standards be upheld when they are performing a surgical procedure. They (many at least) are truly "butcher shops" which endanger women's health--and lives. Once she leaves, as in crossing the door's threshold, any complications after that aren't counted as "complications" of the procedure, so the incidence of problems directly related to abortion is vastly under counted. There is much more to this than "choice."
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:44:14 PM EDT
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More abortions=less welfare? Lol, maybe. http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/infographics/2014/12/CP-Federal-Spending-by-the-Numbers-2014-08-2-anti-poverty_HIGHRES.jpg http://www.abortionreason.com/pics/reportedabortions.jpg No fair using not-feels! |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Right, because we've seen a decline in welfare over the last 42 years abortion has been legal.  Or are we arguing an impossible to prove theory proposed by the Freakonomics guys and liberals to justify the murder of children? Could we envision a scenario, for just one second, where people faced with the reality that sport fucking can, occasionally, lead to pregnancy and children decide engage in those acts responsibly? And with the firm realization that a child that they will have to raise is potential outcome? Because, heaven forbid, w expect people to be responsible for their actions. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:45:42 PM EDT
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I understand the major thrust of this is simply requiring surgical medical standards be upheld when they are performing a surgical procedure. They (many at least) are truly "butcher shops" which endanger women's health--and lives. Once she leaves, as in crossing the door's threshold, any complications after that aren't counted as "complications" of the procedure, so the incidence of problems directly related to abortion is vastly under counted. There is much more to this than "choice." Purposely ending an innocent human life is not a surgical procedure. Removing an appendix is. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:45:49 PM EDT
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. That's fucking asinine. How about you no longer get paid for being a professional egg-layer? And by that pain learn to stop spreading your fucking legs. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:46:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:46:20 PM EDT
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I understand the major thrust of this is simply requiring surgical medical standards be upheld when they are performing a surgical procedure. They (many at least) are truly "butcher shops" which endanger women's health--and lives. Once she leaves, as in crossing the door's threshold, any complications after that aren't counted as "complications" of the procedure, so the incidence of problems directly related to abortion is vastly under counted. There is much more to this than "choice." I've done a bit of research on the issue and that hasn't been the gist of most of the laws passed in the states being discussed. Can you point me to your sources so I can educate myself from your perspective? |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. So was the Holodomor, the Killing Fields, the Armenian Genocide and the Ukranian Famines were all "legal" does that make them OK too? Piss poor reasoning on your part. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:49:05 PM EDT
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More abortions=less welfare? Lol, maybe. http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/infographics/2014/12/CP-Federal-Spending-by-the-Numbers-2014-08-2-anti-poverty_HIGHRES.jpg http://www.abortionreason.com/pics/reportedabortions.jpg No fair using not-feels! I mean from 90 to 08 the number of abortions did go down and the amount spent on welfare did continue to go up. I could probably think of more effective ways at decreasing welfare than killing babies though. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:49:39 PM EDT
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So was the Holodomor, the Killing Fields, the Armenian Genocide and the Ukranian Famines were all "legal" does that make them OK too? Piss poor reasoning on your part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. Well if murder makes other things better then lets have more of it! Murder is unlawful killing, abortion is legal therefore not murder. So was the Holodomor, the Killing Fields, the Armenian Genocide and the Ukranian Famines were all "legal" does that make them OK too? Piss poor reasoning on your part. His screen name is very fitting. |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 11:50:15 PM EDT
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A church youth broke into the local clinic after hours and did enough property damage that repair was not financially viable for the practice. That's kind of "forced out of business'. I do feel that abortion is not a moral act under most circumstances, but I'm not sure I can agree with backwards methods to close the clinics vs direct legislation by the will of the people. That smells like the methods of the other side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you oppose abortion, because of "murdering babies"--then you can't whine too much about welfare. More abortions = less welfare. That's illogical. Financial constraints have never been justification for taking a human life. Preventing one crime does not limit one from complaining about another. You might as well say that if you make theft illegal you can't complain about the welfare the thieves need if they don't have your cash. Besides, they are not being "forced out of business," there is a combination of laws that limit public funding for this private medical procedure and regulations that make abortion clinics rise to the same regulations and standards of any other medical clinic that provides treatments of the same level of invasiveness. If a clinic does not want too meet the same medical standards that every one else has to, then tough. A church youth broke into the local clinic after hours and did enough property damage that repair was not financially viable for the practice. That's kind of "forced out of business'. I do feel that abortion is not a moral act under most circumstances, but I'm not sure I can agree with backwards methods to close the clinics vs direct legislation by the will of the people. That smells like the methods of the other side. A single act of vandalism does not relate to these closings. The local clinic was broken into and torn up by methheads looking for drugs . They had insurance. They are still open. I wouldn't say making abortion clinics keep the same standards I do " back door." They were exempted from medical standards to spread abortion. All medical clinics that perform outpatient procedures should be held to the same standards or nine should. Nothing reprehensible about true equality with no exemptions for pet causes. |
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