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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:47:52 PM EST
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Sorry but your feels have nothing to do with this. The cop should do many years behind bars and pay a whole lot of money. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:48:02 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. If he can articulate a reason for drawing the weapon then I don't see a problem with it, and it shouldn't be hard to find one at all. Assuming the shot was simply negligence, then it's his response to his own actions that is the problem. Shooting someone and making a false report to attempt to cover it up is a crime, especially when doing so puts someone's life at risk. You do not, over that span of time, shoot someone and then "accidentally" fail to report it, and instead communicate misleading information. The cop is also a dirtbag because he started a fucking gunfight and didn't warn anyone else responding to the scene. Ccompare and contrast this to the cop who shot his buddy in that other thread yesterday - who was still busy scuffling with a suspect and had a more reasonable excuse to suck at communicating. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:48:12 PM EST
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by that reasoning a cop should always draw his weapon before any interaction with the public. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. by that reasoning a cop should always draw his weapon before any interaction with the public. We should get there eventually and with quite a bit of support based on the comments when incidents like this pop up. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:49:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mental gymnastics by some folks here to absolve this dildo of any responsibility of our and out murder is right up there with the ATFs to ban machine guns. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:51:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The DA is a POS lying scumbag, and an idiot. If the officer was in shock and didn't realize he fired his gun as the DA stated, then why did the cop look for his empty cases throughout the whole video? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/outrage-police-shooting-drunk-driver-paradise-california-officer-patrick-feaster/ Prosecutors called the shooting an accident, saying Feaster "did not intentionally fire his pistol" and that "he was in shock at the scene and not certain his weapon had actually discharged." But they have no explanation for why it took Feaster 11 minutes to report that he had fired his gun. "The 11 minutes waiting to notify is awful. Regardless, can we prove a case of intentional discharge of that weapon beyond a reasonable doubt? We could not," District Attorney Mike Ramsey said. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:51:55 PM EST
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The mental gymnastics by some folks here to absolve this dildo of any responsibility of our and out murder is right up there with the ATFs to ban machine guns. The only one who actually absolved him of responsibility is the DA.The rest of us are just postulating. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:52:00 PM EST
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Who is trying to absolve said dildo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The mental gymnastics by some folks here to absolve this dildo of any responsibility of our and out murder is right up there with the ATFs to ban machine guns. There are a number of people in here arguing that the officer did not commit a crime. He did, but it wasn't the shooting. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:57:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a number of people in here arguing that the officer did not commit a crime. He did, but it wasn't the shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The mental gymnastics by some folks here to absolve this dildo of any responsibility of our and out murder is right up there with the ATFs to ban machine guns. There are a number of people in here arguing that the officer did not commit a crime. He did, but it wasn't the shooting. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:06:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think anyone is saying he did not commit a crime. Just that he wasn't some wild eyed killer who jumped out of his car looking to execute some drunks. I'm not a cop, so I don't know if he was justified in unholstering his pistol. I think he fucked up real bad in shooting the guy, and went into CYA mode immediately, hunting his brass, and failing to report the shooting. As I said, everything that happened after he shot was criminal in my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The mental gymnastics by some folks here to absolve this dildo of any responsibility of our and out murder is right up there with the ATFs to ban machine guns. There are a number of people in here arguing that the officer did not commit a crime. He did, but it wasn't the shooting. Yep, it was an accident, but his reaction to it is starting to look suspicious. It would be interesting to hear him explain his actions after the shooting. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:16:18 PM EST
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Wow...just wow...
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:21:58 PM EST
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Same... but that's pretty tough to defend. It does seem pretty obvious it was an accident, but I've heard/read many stories of fathers, mothers, etc. being charged when an "unloaded gun" fires and kills some child in the next room. My guess is, this Prosecutor's desire to pursue charges here are directly related to how drunk this dude was, and how his actions had already lead to another person dying. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is. Cop should be fired, there's going to be a huge civil suit against the PD (and they'll win easily), once that is settled, there's going to be a huge suit between the deceased passenger's family (this will take hating your in laws to the next level), and the family of the guy shot. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the guy shot... driving that drunk, speeding, endangering lots of other people on the road, killing your wife due to your own stupidity.... Sucks to be him. The cop should be fired and shouldn't even be allowed to be armed while guarding a junkyard. I have a far bigger issue with what appears to be the cop thinking he could cover it up, than anything else. That should result in charges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I came here to defend the cop, but holy fuck.  Same... but that's pretty tough to defend. It does seem pretty obvious it was an accident, but I've heard/read many stories of fathers, mothers, etc. being charged when an "unloaded gun" fires and kills some child in the next room. My guess is, this Prosecutor's desire to pursue charges here are directly related to how drunk this dude was, and how his actions had already lead to another person dying. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is. Cop should be fired, there's going to be a huge civil suit against the PD (and they'll win easily), once that is settled, there's going to be a huge suit between the deceased passenger's family (this will take hating your in laws to the next level), and the family of the guy shot. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the guy shot... driving that drunk, speeding, endangering lots of other people on the road, killing your wife due to your own stupidity.... Sucks to be him. The cop should be fired and shouldn't even be allowed to be armed while guarding a junkyard. I have a far bigger issue with what appears to be the cop thinking he could cover it up, than anything else. That should result in charges. I can agree with most of what you said but the part of it being obviously accidental is absurd. That looked like a double tap and the way that officer drew his firearm , fired and re holstered looked very smooth and practiced. This officer has no regard for life and should not have a badge at all and should be facing prosecution. This officer is a danger to the public and I fear this isn't his first or last illegal act. All of this back and forth about him drawing the weapon is just noise regardless of his reason he did and everything he did from that point forward was down right criminal and any person that can't see that is blind or ignorant, possibly both. I am not one to wish bad things on people but this guy I hope karma finds him |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:32:46 PM EST
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So the officer knew he was just out of prison with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality.? No, and I never said that he did. I answered Sylvan's question, and you apparently can't read. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:48:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThe problem with sarcasm when its well done is its easily confused for abject stupidity. I am guilty of both giving and receiving so if I misconstrued, my apologies.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:59:10 PM EST
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So, you know for certain that cop was attacked/shot at on a weekly basis? Answer truthfully. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. So, you know for certain that cop was attacked/shot at on a weekly basis? Answer truthfully. I know that the Police are heroes, and everyday when they leave their houses they have no idea if they're coming back. It's a dangerous life, but I'm glad that there are better men than I, out there flash-banging children and shooting the elderly in their sleep. If that officer hadn't been on seen to shoot that guy, who knows what that guy could have done later? You can tell the officer cares because he looked for his brass. He cares about the environment, and knows that littering is a big deal. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 4:43:40 PM EST
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I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:02:12 PM EST
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another cop murders a guy, with absoulty no over site and this comment of mine will earn me a place on arfcoms secret leo forums hit list. You are on the list, #1 in fact! But not my Christmas card list. 
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:05:09 PM EST
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Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:10:45 PM EST
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He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? Are we playing the 'what if' game? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:13:17 PM EST
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Are we playing the 'what if' game? Is anyone even talking to you? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:27:11 PM EST
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What is the point in the video that would you say it became a pursuit? When dead drunk decides to tear out of the parking lot, lights out away from the cop. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:28:22 PM EST
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Are we playing the 'what if' game? Is anyone even talking to you? Oh you special snowflake, are you going to be okay? Do you want me to request to create joinder with you? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:29:16 PM EST
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When dead drunk decides to tear out of the parking lot, lights out away from the cop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the point in the video that would you say it became a pursuit? When dead drunk decides to tear out of the parking lot, lights out away from the cop. So it became a pursuit before the cop even noticed the driver, let alone started to follow after him, let alone before he activated his lights? 
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:29:51 PM EST
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He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:37:06 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. He never said anything about "pointing the gun" at anyone. Those were your words. He said unholster / draw his weapon. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:52:42 PM EST
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Oh you special snowflake, are you going to be okay? Do you want me to request to create joinder with you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are we playing the 'what if' game? Is anyone even talking to you? Oh you special snowflake, are you going to be okay? Do you want me to request to create joinder with you? Thanks for your contribution to the discussion |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:55:36 PM EST
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Are we playing the 'what if' game? Is anyone even talking to you? Oh you special snowflake, are you going to be okay? Do you want me to request to create joinder with you? Thanks for your contribution to the discussion Sorry for bumming you out dude. At least I didn't shoot you in the neck or something. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:56:54 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. But legally, its allowed. /shrugs |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:57:13 PM EST
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So it became a pursuit before the cop even noticed the driver, let alone started to follow after him, let alone before he activated his lights? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the point in the video that would you say it became a pursuit? When dead drunk decides to tear out of the parking lot, lights out away from the cop. So it became a pursuit before the cop even noticed the driver, let alone started to follow after him, let alone before he activated his lights? Yes, if in the mind of the violator, he's fleeing police using a motor vehicle, it's a pursuit. I don't make case law in CA; well, not yet. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:58:48 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? Lots of WTF here. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:59:09 PM EST
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So it became a pursuit before the cop even noticed the driver, let alone started to follow after him, let alone before he activated his lights? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the point in the video that would you say it became a pursuit? When dead drunk decides to tear out of the parking lot, lights out away from the cop. So it became a pursuit before the cop even noticed the driver, let alone started to follow after him, let alone before he activated his lights? Are you trying to say they werent trying to not get caught? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:04:31 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. I dont know that departments policy on drawing a firearm but I bet the DA does. Obviously the DA felt the officer was within policy to draw...and as already stated...not within policy to shoot. Which is why it was gross negligence. Cant be murder without intent. I dont think the cop intended to shoot...therefore negligence. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:16:09 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. SC11B will probably accuse you of not knowing the struggle and being a commie. Tread lightly. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:16:38 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. Lol....if only we could all live in a bubble of the courtroom. The dead female that's blurrred out in the video adds a few more statutes to your list of crimes |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:17:36 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. SC11B will probably accuse you of not knowing the struggle and being a commie. Tread lightly. It's actually quite simple. People who run from the cops are generally criminals. You know, the kind that don't mind hurting you to escape. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:20:27 PM EST
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It's actually quite simple. People who run from the cops are generally criminals. You know, the kind that don't mind hurting you to escape. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. SC11B will probably accuse you of not knowing the struggle and being a commie. Tread lightly. It's actually quite simple. People who run from the cops are generally criminals. You know, the kind that don't mind hurting you to escape. And he was alone at that point. I don't mind him drawing on the guy, but he just opened up on dude. 
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:22:33 PM EST
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He never said anything about "pointing the gun" at anyone. Those were your words. He said unholster / draw his weapon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. He never said anything about "pointing the gun" at anyone. Those were your words. He said unholster / draw his weapon. So he is talking about some other incident. Got it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:24:41 PM EST
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I dont know that departments policy on drawing a firearm but I bet the DA does. Obviously the DA felt the officer was within policy to draw...and as already stated...not within policy to shoot. Which is why it was gross negligence. Cant be murder without intent. I dont think the cop intended to shoot...therefore negligence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. I dont know that departments policy on drawing a firearm but I bet the DA does. Obviously the DA felt the officer was within policy to draw...and as already stated...not within policy to shoot. Which is why it was gross negligence. Cant be murder without intent. I dont think the cop intended to shoot...therefore negligence. Policy has nothing to do with the legality of police behavior. If, as we agree, the shooting was at least gross negligence, the cop should be charged with Manslaughter. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:26:35 PM EST
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I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Why? At what point would he have been justified in shooting? He was not justified in shooting. He was justified in unholstering his firearm. I know GD seems to think anytime you pull a gun it should be to shoot...but there are plenty of times where a LEO will need to pull a gun and be prepared to shoot. Like after he started a pursuit on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to evade him, he witnessed the same suspect drive extremely dangerously (no lights/ high speed/ public roadway), and then after that suspect crashed into a tree the suspect began to climb out of the vehicle. Here is a question for you: If officer dip-shit didn't shoot the guy, would you have had a problem with what happened? Basically....if you watched the dash-cam footage of the vehicle wreck, the cop gets out, dude starts to climb out, officer draws his gun and yells out "keep your hands up and stop moving" etc etc and then places the guy under arrest...would you have an issue with it? Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? I do have a problem with an officer using a physically threatening a suspect with death when the officer has no reason to believe the suspect is armed and no reason to believe that the suspect has committed any crime other than reckless driving/DUI, Leaving the Scene of an Accident, and fleeing/failure to yield. No one has any business pointing a gun at a man's head unless he has some basis to believe that he may have the right to kill the man. Lol....if only we could all live in a bubble of the courtroom. The dead female that's blurrred out in the video adds a few more statutes to your list of crimes Did the cop know she was there? Did he know she was dead? Tell me exactly what justification there was for the threat or use of DF based on what the cop knew when he pointed the gun at the victim's head. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:27:32 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. by that reasoning a cop should always draw his weapon before any interaction with the public. It's like being in a war. You wouldn't understand. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:28:11 PM EST
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:33:27 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? Lots of WTF here. I better not pull my gun out until I see the robber who has just broken into my home. Unless you are the prince of dullards (and I do not dispute your claim to the crown) you know that you have a conceivable right not only to draw your gun, but to shoot a person who has broken into your home. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:33:44 PM EST
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What is the point in the video that would you say it became a pursuit? When dead drunk decides to tear out of the parking lot, lights out away from the cop. So it became a pursuit before the cop even noticed the driver, let alone started to follow after him, let alone before he activated his lights? Are you trying to say they werent trying to not get caught? I'm saying the idea of a police chance with no police involved is a ridiculous concept. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:33:49 PM EST
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I better not pull my gun out until I see the robber who has just broken into my home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? Lots of WTF here. I better not pull my gun out until I see the robber who has just broken into my home. Hell, I think you should wait until you've been shot. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:34:27 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? Lots of WTF here. I better not pull my gun out until I see the robber who has just broken into my home. lol |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:35:53 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. by that reasoning a cop should always draw his weapon before any interaction with the public. It's like being in a war. You wouldn't understand. There is a War on Cops out there-when you are in the Arena,it's weapons free......... |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:37:19 PM EST
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Why would you point a gun at a person you have no conceivable right to shoot? Lots of WTF here. I better not pull my gun out until I see the robber who has just broken into my home. Hell, I think you should wait until you've been shot. Nope,that's why you shoot first. Jaywalker?Fender bender?Tail light out? Better off drawing first and shooting the lawbreakers. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:39:46 PM EST
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:41:30 PM EST
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:42:19 PM EST
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:43:52 PM EST
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