Hopefully some of the other folks who read your thoughtful, accurate replies learn something. Because the poster you're replying to sure won't

Accusing another lawyer of misconduct? Isn't that violating the 'thin brown line' or something?

... dayum, that's absurd! And WRONG

I would also point out you also showed that the PD could have arrested him. A point you were trying to browbeat as not possible.

 
It wasn't the first thing they taught us in law school as we didn't have Criminal Law until the second year but there was a test question where you were supposed to notice that you can't charge someone with murder if the victim didn't die.

 
This is an excellent point.... we don't know who was driving.


The officer didn't see the guy behind the wheel and in fact saw him trying to exit the vehicle via the passenger side.  


As the guy was intoxicated, how do we know he wasn't being driven home by the wife as she isn't around to dispute the story?


Unless there are seat belt marks or steering wheel marks on them, what other evidence would there be to show who was driving at the time of the accident?

Will they stick to that claim if one of theirs is gunned down getting out of a car?

What would the circumstances be?



 

Very angry cops on Arfcom.

He probably shouldn't be a cop, but that was an incredibly shot.

"I was SOCMOB when he pulled up, looked directly at me, and began to exit his car, drawing his pistol as he did so. While he did not present an instantaneous threat of DF and was not a shootable fleeing felon under Garner, I drew my own gun, pointed it at his head, put my finger on the trigger and the gun somehow went off."

Question for the ones that say shoot was good

Let's say wife and I driving home, a car runs a red light and hits us...I look over and my wife is dead, I exit vehicle stunned and in shock because this asshole breaks the law running a red light and kills my wife, I see him exiting vehicle, draw my ccw and shoot him

Am I in the right since he just killed my wife

If I am wrong what is the difference? A badge and blue line?

Serious question...no trolling...

Because gross negligence leading to great bodily harm or death is excusable. Obviously.

I just want to be able to text and mow down bicyclists like is also legal for police in California.  At least with that I would get a lot more done in my day.

There are people who are calling this a good shoot?

What the fuck?

You forgot about dat "tachycardia."

COC prevents me from saying more, but there is nothing that could befall that cop that I'd feel he didn't deserve.

Nothing like a stuffed bicyclist or two mounted on the wall to let people know you are winning at life.

WTF, who hired this bozo. So the guy is unresposive and refuses to get out after getting shot twice, another WTF.

What is "SOCMOB"?



 

New updates in op, looks like the news networks are starting to pick it up

Standing On Corner, Minding Own Business

You've never heard that one before?

This, I need to go back and read this, that was fucked up!

Federal case?

Oh, wait, the victim isn't black.  No shits given.

Just saw the video, wow that is so fucked up

Never hear it before today...



 

Not one person in this thread has seriously argued that this was a "good shoot"

Me neither, but I like it

I couldn't tell you the first time I heard it.  It's to simplify report writing when I guy gets shot since that what they were usually doing at the time.

So not only did they try to execute the driver but they rendered zero aid to the passenger as she lay there bleeding out.

Welp, there goes the argument that this was done out of rage at a drunk that just killed a presumably innocent passenger. Also going to be a hell of a defense if the driver goes to trial for vehicular manslaughter.

They tried to kill one person and stood back while another died. Real classy.

That is some straight up 3rd world type shit right there.

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Other than maintain her airway, which they apparently did, what aid would you want a first responder to do to a victim of major mechanical trauma?  There isn't much you can do for someone in the middle of the road when they are "bleeding out" internally.

I initially didn't see the one officer in the bushes with the lady. You are correct, there isn't much they can do other then hold her still and get the medics there.

Whole deal is still fucked up though.

His voice sounded very calm the whole time.  Heck, he was so in control of his faculties he wasn't even humping air.

I'm not the one babbling about double jeopardy.

Gunned down getting out of a car.
Then claim he is refusing to get out.  
Not render aid.
Not follow procedures.  
Then not charged.

Those circumstances.

No, you just babble a bunch of shit about stuff you don't understand.



That is not how California law and procedure works relating to the investigation of an officer involved shooting. That's not even how most CA agencies handle a self-defense shooting involving a private citizen. They do it exactly as I described. There is absolutely zero reason to make a custodial arrest in incidents like that.



Nothing is gained from forcing the prosecutor to initiate legal processes before he's ready by making a murder arrest unilaterally. Period. Your arguments against it are ridiculous and fly in the face of established case law and criminal procedure. You are wrong. If you're representing yourself as some sort of lawyer or person with legal education you are both wrong and negligent and should quit and go work at McDonalds or for the DOJ because you obviously can't comprehend the written word as it relates to criminal procedure. You stick your fingers in your ears and ignore logic and the real world to push your agenda.



You have a problem with the way this DA handled this? Great, so do I, he's a fucking idiot at best and a corrupt politician at worst. Maybe you should go make a thread about corrupt politicians. But you won't because your schtick is "THIN BLUE LINE!!!!"



You have some ridiculous agenda to spin every news story tangentially relating to police work as some example of the "thin blue line" protecting dirty cops and it's fucking stupid. This shooting was captured on dash camera, the shooters statements were captured on body camera, and a shooting investigation was presented to the DA who decided not to move forward. That's not police corruption when they do their damn job as the law dictates, and it's not their fault an elected official chooses not to prosecute.



The shit that you and your boy JasonB post is fucking ridiculous. You take incidents of misconduct by cops that were investigated and caught by other cops and try to use it as evidence that there is some kind of systemic corruption in American law enforcement. You are absolutely no different than the communist sympathizers in the media, you lack critical thinking skills and you form blanket opinions with no basis or grounding in reality.



The only saving grace about your presence here is that it's one less weirdo clogging up a street corner with your infowars sign and making people with small children cross the street to avoid you.
 

LOL..



So what are the circumstances where someone would be ordering a cop out of their car and shooting them?



 

I don't recall anyone ever saying police and prosecutors are not complicit.  

It's Christmas though so in the spirit of the season feel free to show us an incident where a private citizen's first move after observing a wreck was to draw a weapon on someone crawling out of the wreck and shoot them and the prosecutor of the jurisdiction in which it  occurred just chalked it up as an accident.

LOL!  Because that's the same thing as what happened



ETA:  Something closer would be the "private citizen" came home and a suspected burglar was coming out of his house.  A vehicle chase ensued and the suspected burglar crashed.  The "private citizen" jumped out of his vehicle and approached the overturned vehicle.  The "private citizen heard movement in the vehicle and the "private citizen" drew his legally carried firearm.  The suspected burglar popped up and the "private citizen" accidentally discharged his firearm hitting the suspected burglar in the neck.  
 

No, that is not the same thing as what happened since the shooter was one of the privileged LE class.  

I edited my post above yours to add:



Something closer would be the "private citizen" came home and a
suspected burglar was coming out of his house.  A vehicle chase ensued
and the suspected burglar crashed.  The "private citizen" jumped out of
his vehicle and approached the overturned vehicle.  The "private citizen
heard movement in the vehicle and the "private citizen" drew his
legally carried firearm.  The suspected burglar popped up and the
"private citizen" accidentally discharged his firearm hitting the
suspected burglar in the neck.  



 

So a police officer seeing a private citizen driving down the road is the same as a private citizen seeing a burglar exiting their home, ie. every private citizen has committed a crime in the eyes of the police officer.  Wow, that really does narrow it down as to why the prosecutor didn't go after the officer.  

I'd have the same disdain towards a private citizen that "accidentally" shot someone, concealed their actions, and tried their hardest to find the evidence before anyone else could.

When did the shooter assist the injured woman?

Yeah, there is all of that too.

I don't think you read the article.  



 

So would I as I do with the cop.  



 

The incident involved a police officer shooting a private citizen.  Care to point out anything that indicates that was not the case?

Just responding to your comment:



Quoted:
I don't recall anyone ever saying police and prosecutors are not complicit.  





It's Christmas though so in the spirit of the season feel free to show us an incident where a private citizen's first move after observing a wreck was to draw a weapon on someone crawling out of the wreck and shoot them and the prosecutor of the jurisdiction in which it  occurred just chalked it up as an accident.