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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:04:01 AM EDT
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Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. ETA: Another reason why first impressions on UoF are usually wrong. If you would have read the article you would have known that the suspect lived and wasn't killed. Fine it was attempted murder. And anyone not a cop who saw it knows it too. Txl What's your point? Not important now, it WAS murder. He's dead Jim. Txl |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:05:04 AM EDT
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When they showed the guy climbing out of the truck - It looks as if you see his hands first - he is using both hands to climb out of the truck - where was mr. police man in danger even to be drawing is weapon?
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:17:40 AM EDT
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Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. It was a lot of things, but it 100% was not murder Is that about to change? Roy Hey, he was alive when I posted it 
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:24:50 AM EDT
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I can't believe anyone would call this a justified shoot. Even if he INTENDED to shoot him, he totlly fucked it all up after the shooting. I think he drew and accidentally(negligently) shot the gun off, and THOUGHT the rounds didn't hit the guy. Instead of telling a supervisor he fucked up, he likely thought he could cover his tracks until he realized he had actually hit the guy. The ONLY way this guy should NOT be facing charges is if he immidiately realized he fucked up and tried to render aid and notified others of his major fuck up. Even then it's a FAR stretch! And if I was in the situation and "accidentally" shot the guy and handled it the way he did, I would EXPECT to get charged with a crime. Nobody thought or posted that this was a justified shoot. I agree with your second paragraph. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:33:08 AM EDT
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ARFCOM never fails to produce so many disgusting comments.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:53:13 AM EDT
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Ok, let me preface this by saying that I was a leo for approx 10 years, This cop is not being charged with anything, They say he shot by accident, only fired one round, and didn't square up to shoot, I'm pretty sure the video shows otherwise http://www.actionnewsnow.com/news/da-plays-dash-cam-video-in-accidental-shooting-no-charges-will-be-filed/ I'd like anyone's thoughts and or impressions from watching that (No idea how to embed a video like that one) Came to my attention because my wife grew up there. ETA: when you watch it the second time (and you will) watch the muzzle when he fires, it pretty sure looks damn well like a "controlled pair" I'm pretty sure that video is witness to attempted murder, the victims previous record notwithstanding 2nd ETA: looks like he unplugs the gps or speedo feed to his icc too, which I found to be something many of my shitbag officers did I.e. There no record of speed on the camera, which in some cases means the officer has a habit of doing stupid shit New video released, you can hear the "unresponsive driver telling the firefighters he has been shot. At the end of the video the cop tells his supervisor he " maybe accidentally might have shot him but isn't sure" and the supervisor says "oh shit" http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdUhCWeb2mM http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZkGx8ZVy4k Very interesting There's 3/other videos out now, in one the police are trying to convince the driver that the cop didn't shot him, In all 3 the cop is walking around looking for his brass instead of rendering aid while the wife is choking to death on her own vomit and blood Update 19 December, News out of paradise is that the driver died this afternoon Presumably from complications due to having been shot in the neck Was there even any reason to draw his weapon? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:58:15 AM EDT
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So...NOW its murder?
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:14:08 AM EDT
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So...NOW its murder? The DA said he would have 'considered' involuntary manslaughter if the driver had died. Maybe he will 're-consider' it now. I said many pages ago that if Mehserle's actions were involuntary manslaughter, then this guy should face charges. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:15:36 AM EDT
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Oh fuck
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:20:29 AM EDT
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:23:10 AM EDT
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Judge, jury, executioner, one stop shop? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:33:24 AM EDT
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POS.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:50:58 AM EDT
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Do we know for sure that he was the one driving? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:10:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I miss the days when trolls were witty and entertaining  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time. The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. I miss the days when trolls were witty and entertaining  ETA: I don't think fatass intended to shoot anybody. I think everything that happened after he fired is criminal. He should have been charged and sent to prison. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:22:22 AM EDT
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No, you just babble a bunch of shit about stuff you don't understand. That is not how California law and procedure works relating to the investigation of an officer involved shooting. That's not even how most CA agencies handle a self-defense shooting involving a private citizen. They do it exactly as I described. There is absolutely zero reason to make a custodial arrest in incidents like that. So you'd let a shooting suspect that is actively tampering with a crime scene walk? Nothing is gained from forcing the prosecutor to initiate legal processes before he's ready by making a murder arrest unilaterally. Period. Your arguments against it are ridiculous and fly in the face of established case law and criminal procedure. You are wrong. If you're representing yourself as some sort of lawyer or person with legal education you are both wrong and negligent and should quit and go work at McDonalds or for the DOJ because you obviously can't comprehend the written word as it relates to criminal procedure. You stick your fingers in your ears and ignore logic and the real world to push your agenda. Can you explain how an arrest or indictment causes jeopardy to attach? Still trying to figure that one out......since I work at McDonalds and all that. You have a problem with the way this DA handled this? Great, so do I, he's a fucking idiot at best and a corrupt politician at worst. Maybe you should go make a thread about corrupt politicians. But you won't because your schtick is "THIN BLUE LINE!!!!" I hate corrupt lawyers as well. If I go make a thread about this DA, it'd be kind of duplicative. SystemMessage wouldn't like that. I already called out the DA as "mailing it in" already. You have some ridiculous agenda to spin every news story tangentially relating to police work as some example of the "thin blue line" protecting dirty cops and it's fucking stupid. Every story? Every single story? No matter what? This shooting was captured on dash camera, the shooters statements were captured on body camera, and a shooting investigation was presented to the DA who decided not to move forward. That's not police corruption when they do their damn job as the law dictates, and it's not their fault an elected official chooses not to prosecute. So you'd let a shooting suspect that is actively tampering with a crime scene and lied about his involvement walk? The shit that you and your boy JasonB post is fucking ridiculous. You take incidents of misconduct by cops that were investigated and caught by other cops and try to use it as evidence that there is some kind of systemic corruption in American law enforcement. You are absolutely no different than the communist sympathizers in the media, you lack critical thinking skills and you form blanket opinions with no basis or grounding in reality. Good thing you're not a lawyer. You'd burn out the report button with 2 pages. Glad to know that I am a dirty communist sympathizer who wants to destroy America. Leave JasonB out of this. He's my MLP viewing party buddy. The only saving grace about your presence here is that it's one less weirdo clogging up a street corner with your infowars sign and making people with small children cross the street to avoid you. I still inform the populace about the Reptilians (and their Jew overlords) using chemtrails and subliminal messaging to suppress our thoughts and keep us in our post-industrial, neo-consumerist bondage. My work is never done. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:26:59 AM EDT
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WTF?
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:34:00 AM EDT
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WTF? Be careful, bro. You don't want to be seen as a commie lover. Just keep your head down. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:40:15 AM EDT
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Should be charged with murder.
Pay for your fucking mistakes, you piece of shit. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:10:50 AM EDT
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Since this happened in California, here are the relevant statutes. Each element of the statue must be proven to gain a conviction: PC187: (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought. PC189: All murder which is perpetrated by means of a destructive device or explosive, a weapon of mass destruction, knowing use of ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, poison, lying in wait, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing, or which is committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, arson, rape, carjacking, robbery, burglary, mayhem, kidnapping, train wrecking, or any act punishable under Section 206, 286, 288, 288a, or 289, or any murder which is perpetrated by means of discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle, intentionally at another person outside of the vehicle with the intent to inflict death, is murder of the first degree. All other kinds of murders are of the second degree. PC192: Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. It is of three kinds: (a) Voluntary—upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. (b) Involuntary—in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection. This subdivision shall not apply to acts committed in the driving of a vehicle. (c) Vehicular— (1) Except as provided in subdivision (a) of Section 191.5, driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony, and with gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, and with gross negligence. PC193: (a) Voluntary manslaughter is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for 3, 6, or 11 years. (b) Involuntary manslaughter is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for two, three, or four years. (c) Vehicular manslaughter is punishable as follows: (1) A violation of paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 192 is punishable either by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, four, or six years. (2) A violation of paragraph (2) of subdivision (c) of Section 192 is punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year. (3) A violation of paragraph (3) of subdivision (c) of Section 192 is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for 4, 6, or 10 years. PC195: Homicide is excusable in the following cases: 1. When committed by accident and misfortune, or in doing any other lawful act by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution, and without any unlawful intent. 2. When committed by accident and misfortune, in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, when no undue advantage is taken, nor any dangerous weapon used, and when the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner. PC196: Homicide is justifiable when committed by public officers and those acting by their command in their aid and assistance, either— 1. In obedience to any judgment of a competent Court; or, 2. When necessarily committed in overcoming actual resistance to the execution of some legal process, or in the discharge of any other legal duty; or, 3. When necessarily committed in retaking felons who have been rescued or have escaped, or when necessarily committed in arresting persons charged with felony, and who are fleeing from justice or resisting such arrest. PC197: Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in any of the following cases: 1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or, 2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or, 3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed; or, 4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:14:13 AM EDT
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Whoops!!
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:23:51 AM EDT
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Looks to meet all the requirements for involuntary manslaughter. The officer acted "without due caution and circumspection." by letting two rounds fly off. PC195 doesn't apply because he wasn't acting "with usual and ordinary caution" and PC196 and PC197 don't apply because by his own words, he didn't intend to fire.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:29:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks to meet all the requirements for involuntary manslaughter. The officer acted "without due caution and circumspection." by letting two rounds fly off. PC195 doesn't apply because he wasn't acting "with usual and ordinary caution" and PC196 and PC197 don't apply because by his own words, he didn't intend to fire. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:32:20 AM EDT
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May be evidence tampering (he would probably get a longer sentence for that than killing the dude) but I can't see how that would elevate the shooting from involuntary.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 4:13:43 AM EDT
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May be evidence tampering (he would probably get a longer sentence for that than killing the dude) but I can't see how that would elevate the shooting from involuntary. Could they not also tack on a grossly negligent discharge charge? I think the DA was wrong not to do so in the first place; I've known of people who fired in self-defence having to fight gross negligence charges; this situation is well beyond that. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:55:14 AM EDT
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A cop in Ottawa Hills OH near Toledo did almost this exact thing and went to jail. How is it not manslaughter? Not killing someone on purpose doesn't mean it's ok. Looks like it is ok now. Probably can expect to see more of it in the future as well. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:19:05 AM EDT
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now its murder.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:36:16 AM EDT
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Lot of cops doing going full Dredd in the last couple days.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 8:42:20 AM EDT
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To be fair, officer Tubby knew he couldn't chase down the guy. The driver could have been injured in the accident and hurt himslf more by fleeing. The officer had to shoot him to keep the driver safe. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 8:43:49 AM EDT
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Be glad when he's gone.
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I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time. The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. I miss the days when trolls were witty and entertaining
ETA: I don't think fatass intended to shoot anybody. I think everything that happened after he fired is criminal. He should have been charged and sent to prison. you mean aside from drawing his weapon, aiming it at the driver and pulling the trigger. Outside of those three actions, sure, I don't think he meant to shoot the guy. WHy did he draw in the first place? How about rendering aid? Nah, son. He was making a move, I had to get it on. Waynegrow had more integrity than that fat ass. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:00:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a pretty shitty attitude. The local PD pisses me off but they had a guy get away from them on my street and I grabbed the guy and held him until officer bumble fuck could catch up. There are some bad ones but there are more good ones. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: and that is why they hate us....  edit: meh. Not worth getting in trouble. I don't hate cops. But like I said in the other thread, if I see one of you fighting some asshole trying to kill you, I'm just taking video. That's a pretty shitty attitude. The local PD pisses me off but they had a guy get away from them on my street and I grabbed the guy and held him until officer bumble fuck could catch up. There are some bad ones but there are more good ones. If there was more accountability from within I think police forces would be better served. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:19:59 AM EDT
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Excellent.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:27:12 AM EDT
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. This situation is a case of both sides choosing poorly. The cover up is most disturbing. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:29:22 AM EDT
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Excellent. I was hoping he wouldn't pull through. That's kind of fucked up. Do we even know that the guy shot was driving and not the passenger? I haven't heard a confirmation either way. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:36:07 AM EDT
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Ok, let me preface this by saying that I was a leo for approx 10 years, This cop is not being charged with anything, They say he shot by accident, only fired one round, and didn't square up to shoot, I'm pretty sure the video shows otherwise http://www.actionnewsnow.com/news/da-plays-dash-cam-video-in-accidental-shooting-no-charges-will-be-filed/ I'd like anyone's thoughts and or impressions from watching that (No idea how to embed a video like that one) Came to my attention because my wife grew up there. ETA: when you watch it the second time (and you will) watch the muzzle when he fires, it pretty sure looks damn well like a "controlled pair" I'm pretty sure that video is witness to attempted murder, the victims previous record notwithstanding 2nd ETA: looks like he unplugs the gps or speedo feed to his icc too, which I found to be something many of my shitbag officers did I.e. There no record of speed on the camera, which in some cases means the officer has a habit of doing stupid shit New video released, you can hear the "unresponsive driver telling the firefighters he has been shot. At the end of the video the cop tells his supervisor he " maybe accidentally might have shot him but isn't sure" and the supervisor says "oh shit" http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdUhCWeb2mM http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZkGx8ZVy4k Very interesting There's 3/other videos out now, in one the police are trying to convince the driver that the cop didn't shot him, In all 3 the cop is walking around looking for his brass instead of rendering aid while the wife is choking to death on her own vomit and blood Update 19 December, News out of paradise is that the driver died this afternoon Presumably from complications due to having been shot in the neck Was there even any reason to draw his weapon? No, but there are people on this board who think it is ok for cops to draw down on people who aren't posing a threat. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:37:02 AM EDT
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another cop murders a guy, with absoulty no over site and this comment of mine will earn me a place on arfcoms secret leo forums hit list.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:56:23 AM EDT
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That's kind of fucked up. Do we even know that the guy shot was driving and not the passenger? I haven't heard a confirmation either way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Excellent. I was hoping he wouldn't pull through. That's kind of fucked up. Do we even know that the guy shot was driving and not the passenger? I haven't heard a confirmation either way. Apparently multiple people saw him get in the drivers seat and drive away from the bar |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:02:32 AM EDT
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No, but there are people on this board who think it is ok for cops to draw down on people who aren't posing a threat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, let me preface this by saying that I was a leo for approx 10 years, This cop is not being charged with anything, They say he shot by accident, only fired one round, and didn't square up to shoot, I'm pretty sure the video shows otherwise http://www.actionnewsnow.com/news/da-plays-dash-cam-video-in-accidental-shooting-no-charges-will-be-filed/ I'd like anyone's thoughts and or impressions from watching that (No idea how to embed a video like that one) Came to my attention because my wife grew up there. ETA: when you watch it the second time (and you will) watch the muzzle when he fires, it pretty sure looks damn well like a "controlled pair" I'm pretty sure that video is witness to attempted murder, the victims previous record notwithstanding 2nd ETA: looks like he unplugs the gps or speedo feed to his icc too, which I found to be something many of my shitbag officers did I.e. There no record of speed on the camera, which in some cases means the officer has a habit of doing stupid shit New video released, you can hear the "unresponsive driver telling the firefighters he has been shot. At the end of the video the cop tells his supervisor he " maybe accidentally might have shot him but isn't sure" and the supervisor says "oh shit" http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdUhCWeb2mM http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZkGx8ZVy4k Very interesting There's 3/other videos out now, in one the police are trying to convince the driver that the cop didn't shot him, In all 3 the cop is walking around looking for his brass instead of rendering aid while the wife is choking to death on her own vomit and blood Update 19 December, News out of paradise is that the driver died this afternoon Presumably from complications due to having been shot in the neck Was there even any reason to draw his weapon? No, but there are people on this board who think it is ok for cops to draw down on people who aren't posing a threat. Responding alone? (Not a chase) I really don't care that he had his gun drawn. Everything after that was worthy of a jury. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:05:10 AM EDT
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I read an blog last night (on my cell, can't find it) that stated that the cop in question apparently has quite the hate hard on for drunk drivers. Now it's a blog, so that guy probably had his own axe to grind, but it would explain why the cop approaches car wrecks with his gun drawn.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:10:18 AM EDT
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High speed chase? I really don't care that he had his gun drawn. Everything after that was worthy of a jury. Isnt this the episode where the car crashes pretty much simultaneously with the cruiser turning its lights on? If so that would be a real stretch to call it a chase. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:13:25 AM EDT
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Isnt this the episode where the car crashes pretty much simultaneously with the cruiser turning its lights on? If so that would be a real stretch to call it a chase. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High speed chase? I really don't care that he had his gun drawn. Everything after that was worthy of a jury. Isnt this the episode where the car crashes pretty much simultaneously with the cruiser turning its lights on? If so that would be a real stretch to call it a chase. I've got this confused with another. This was just a DUI called in? Yeah, not a hs chase. But still, Ive seen cops draw regularly, when alone especially. It's not that part that bothers me so much. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:14:19 AM EDT
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All that bickering over people calling it murder
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:36:37 AM EDT
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Wow, he just walked up and executed the guy. No weapons and no threat to the officer. It's amazing you can kill someone on tape for no reason and get away Scott free.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:36:47 AM EDT
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and that is why they hate us.... edit: meh. Not worth getting in trouble. I don't hate cops. But like I said in the other thread, if I see one of you fighting some asshole trying to kill you, I'm just taking video. That's a pretty shitty attitude. The local PD pisses me off but they had a guy get away from them on my street and I grabbed the guy and held him until officer bumble fuck could catch up. There are some bad ones but there are more good ones. If there was more accountability from within I think police forces would be better served. So true..... |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:42:26 AM EDT
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Wow, he just walked up and executed the guy. No weapons and no threat to the officer. It's amazing you can kill someone on tape for no reason and get away Scott free. California cops are allowed to legally kill people for all sorts of negligent reasons. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/police-officer-not-charged-killing-095951755.html |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:49:45 AM EDT
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:56:21 AM EDT
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another cop murders a guy, with absoulty no over site and this comment of mine will earn me a place on arfcoms secret leo forums hit list. You're not supposed to mention that secret list. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:31:32 PM EDT
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Quote Historyyou mean aside from drawing his weapon, aiming it at the driver and pulling the trigger. Outside of those three actions, sure, I don't think he meant to shoot the guy. WHy did he draw in the first place? How about rendering aid? Nah, son. He was making a move, I had to get it on. Waynegrow had more integrity than that fat ass. Quote HistoryBe glad when he's gone. ETA: I don't think fatass intended to shoot anybody. I think everything that happened after he fired is criminal. He should have been charged and sent to prison. you mean aside from drawing his weapon, aiming it at the driver and pulling the trigger. Outside of those three actions, sure, I don't think he meant to shoot the guy. WHy did he draw in the first place? How about rendering aid? Nah, son. He was making a move, I had to get it on. Waynegrow had more integrity than that fat ass. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excellent. I was hoping he wouldn't pull through. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:38:20 PM EDT
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you mean aside from drawing his weapon, aiming it at the driver and pulling the trigger. Outside of those three actions, sure, I don't think he meant to shoot the guy. WHy did he draw in the first place? How about rendering aid? Nah, son. He was making a move, I had to get it on. Waynegrow had more integrity than that fat ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time. The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. I miss the days when trolls were witty and entertaining
ETA: I don't think fatass intended to shoot anybody. I think everything that happened after he fired is criminal. He should have been charged and sent to prison. you mean aside from drawing his weapon, aiming it at the driver and pulling the trigger. Outside of those three actions, sure, I don't think he meant to shoot the guy. WHy did he draw in the first place? How about rendering aid? Nah, son. He was making a move, I had to get it on. Waynegrow had more integrity than that fat ass. Id hang out with you on Christmas too. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:42:19 PM EDT
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Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Wow thats a good point too. Guess we need to take a page from Bamas play book here and mention that the accused driver was never convicted lol. |
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