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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:12:36 PM EDT
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TA31F-RMR. There is no better answer. It really is nice. The RMR is not so high that it's awkward to use (which is what I thought just looking at them prior to using). It's fast from 0-100 with the RMR. The FOV of the 31 is great, and while the eye relief is less than a 33, you can put your eye the same distance away and get the same FOV as a 33. Switching back and forth between the scope and the RMR is faster than turning a mag ring on a variable, and faster than canting the rifle to 2 o'clock for an offset RDS, which I did for a while when shooting Open 3 gun. I really like that setup, it's on an 18" gun. My TA33GH is on my lightweight 16". That's a nice little scope. I prefer the 31 but for a lighter build it's perfect. I had a TA11 years ago. I wish I hadn't sold it. I mostly disliked that it was a red donut reticle. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:18:08 PM EDT
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If an ACOG is an option then the answer is ACOG.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:21:20 PM EDT
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Get the acog, but get the big one. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/Trijicon_TA648_308H_6x48_ACOG_Riflescope_637814.jpg Go big or go home. Or get both. 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:23:42 PM EDT
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the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:24:58 PM EDT
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I still love my 01NSN
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:29:18 PM EDT
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Good timing for this thread. Need something for a new SBR and am torn between a T1 or one of the small circle dot acogs like the ta26 or ta44.
Will sit back and read, good info so far. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:30:49 PM EDT
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fpni
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:36:13 PM EDT
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TA31F-RMR. There is no better answer. Bold strategy, cotton. TA31RCO-M4 and offset T1 was a sweet combo too. Moved my optics around but wouldn't hesitate to go back to that combo if I had a spare T1. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:36:54 PM EDT
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TA31F-RMR. There is no better answer. Bold strategy, cotton. At first I was all  and then I saw the price and I was 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really need to join the club! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everyone should own at least one ACOG. I really need to join the club! Ditto |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:44:21 PM EDT
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Hence the recommendation for the TA33. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:47:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 2:47:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif That's pretty neat! |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:06:37 PM EDT
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Get the acog, but get the big one. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/Trijicon_TA648_308H_6x48_ACOG_Riflescope_637814.jpg I got one, also a TA31F, and I have the red chevron, and a Trijicon RDS on an 45 degree mount. If you look thru one, you will wonder why anybody wants anything else, clear sharp optics with no distortion or CA, excellent field of view. If you humped one for more than 30 minutes, you will wonder why anybody wants one, it makes the Elcan looks and feel light. I am actually contemplating replacing that with wither the VCOG or Elcan Specter 1-4X. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got one, also a TA31F, and I have the red chevron, and a Trijicon RDS on an 45 degree mount. If you look thru one, you will wonder why anybody wants anything else, clear sharp optics with no distortion or CA, excellent field of view. If you humped one for more than 30 minutes, you will wonder why anybody wants one, it makes the Elcan looks and feel light. I am actually contemplating replacing that with wither the VCOG or Elcan Specter 1-4X. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get the acog, but get the big one. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/Trijicon_TA648_308H_6x48_ACOG_Riflescope_637814.jpg I got one, also a TA31F, and I have the red chevron, and a Trijicon RDS on an 45 degree mount. If you look thru one, you will wonder why anybody wants anything else, clear sharp optics with no distortion or CA, excellent field of view. If you humped one for more than 30 minutes, you will wonder why anybody wants one, it makes the Elcan looks and feel light. I am actually contemplating replacing that with wither the VCOG or Elcan Specter 1-4X. The Elcan is also interesting. Is it worth double the price to add a throw lever that gets you from 1-4x instantly??? I have no idea. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:25:57 PM EDT
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It really is nice. The RMR is not so high that it's awkward to use (which is what I thought just looking at them prior to using). It's fast from 0-100 with the RMR. The FOV of the 31 is great, and while the eye relief is less than a 33, you can put your eye the same distance away and get the same FOV as a 33. Switching back and forth between the scope and the RMR is faster than turning a mag ring on a variable, and faster than canting the rifle to 2 o'clock for an offset RDS, which I did for a while when shooting Open 3 gun. I really like that setup, it's on an 18" gun. My TA33GH is on my lightweight 16". That's a nice little scope. I prefer the 31 but for a lighter build it's perfect. I had a TA11 years ago. I wish I hadn't sold it. I mostly disliked that it was a red donut reticle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TA31F-RMR. There is no better answer. It really is nice. The RMR is not so high that it's awkward to use (which is what I thought just looking at them prior to using). It's fast from 0-100 with the RMR. The FOV of the 31 is great, and while the eye relief is less than a 33, you can put your eye the same distance away and get the same FOV as a 33. Switching back and forth between the scope and the RMR is faster than turning a mag ring on a variable, and faster than canting the rifle to 2 o'clock for an offset RDS, which I did for a while when shooting Open 3 gun. I really like that setup, it's on an 18" gun. My TA33GH is on my lightweight 16". That's a nice little scope. I prefer the 31 but for a lighter build it's perfect. I had a TA11 years ago. I wish I hadn't sold it. I mostly disliked that it was a red donut reticle. Agree with you both. Having ditched ACOGs for variables then back to ACOGs with RMR I have found what works the best for me. Perfect setup for speed and accuracy at all ranges with built in redundancy. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:30:45 PM EDT
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Razor 1-6 >ACOG.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:37:48 PM EDT
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I just sold my Ta31f and got a NightForce 2.5x10x32. The Acog was nice and built like a tank but the NightForce has a lot more uses in my opinion.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:41:52 PM EDT
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The Elcan is also interesting. Is it worth double the price to add a throw lever that gets you from 1-4x instantly??? I have no idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get the acog, but get the big one. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/Trijicon_TA648_308H_6x48_ACOG_Riflescope_637814.jpg I got one, also a TA31F, and I have the red chevron, and a Trijicon RDS on an 45 degree mount. If you look thru one, you will wonder why anybody wants anything else, clear sharp optics with no distortion or CA, excellent field of view. If you humped one for more than 30 minutes, you will wonder why anybody wants one, it makes the Elcan looks and feel light. I am actually contemplating replacing that with wither the VCOG or Elcan Specter 1-4X. The Elcan is also interesting. Is it worth double the price to add a throw lever that gets you from 1-4x instantly??? I have no idea. This is my predicament. To Acog??? Or not to Acog and ELCAN! 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:41:56 PM EDT
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FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif Eye relief on the TA31 sucks. Longer eye relief > Larger FOV See how stupid that is when you state an opinion as fact? A ton of people prefer the TA33, a ton of people prefer the TA11, a ton of people prefer the TA31. It's a trade-off. A TA33 barely weighs more than an Aimpoint T1, but it has 3x magnification. A TA31 requires your eyelashes to be brushing up against the optic to be able to see through it. I know which one I prefer. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:49:44 PM EDT
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How do we feel about the ACSS reticle?
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:53:10 PM EDT
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ACOGs are amazing. I would highly recommend them to anyone.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:55:46 PM EDT
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this thread makes me want a TA33. what's the preferred mount?
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good timing for this thread. Need something for a new SBR and am torn between a T1 or one of the small circle dot acogs like the ta26 or ta44. Will sit back and read, good info so far. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:58:00 PM EDT
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Owned ACOG, then ditched it for variables. More useful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Vortex 1-6x24, gen2, jm1 reticle Yep I'd go with a 1-? variable of your choice. ACOG's are awesome but a little limited with the fixed magnification. As the owner of 2 ACOGs, I'm going with this ^ Owned ACOG, then ditched it for variables. More useful. Especially when you don't train with the equipment. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:01:25 PM EDT
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The Elcan is also interesting. Is it worth double the price to add a throw lever that gets you from 1-4x instantly??? I have no idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get the acog, but get the big one. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/Trijicon_TA648_308H_6x48_ACOG_Riflescope_637814.jpg I got one, also a TA31F, and I have the red chevron, and a Trijicon RDS on an 45 degree mount. If you look thru one, you will wonder why anybody wants anything else, clear sharp optics with no distortion or CA, excellent field of view. If you humped one for more than 30 minutes, you will wonder why anybody wants one, it makes the Elcan looks and feel light. I am actually contemplating replacing that with wither the VCOG or Elcan Specter 1-4X. The Elcan is also interesting. Is it worth double the price to add a throw lever that gets you from 1-4x instantly??? I have no idea. No. The 1X on the Elcan still suffers from the same issue as normal 1-4 optics namely that its still not a true 1X. Its damn close but not perfect, piggy backing a mini red dot on them is just a popular as it is on ACOG's. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:05:05 PM EDT
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this thread makes me want a TA33. what's the preferred mount? LT-105, of course. 
TA33G-H on an LT-105 weighs 9.40 ounces. With a Butler Creek front flip cap included, it's 9.75 ounces. I keep the flip cap on there to use the TA33 like a red dot. With it closed, you keep both eyes open and your right eye will see the reticle while your left eye sees everything else. It works really well. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:09:34 PM EDT
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Eye relief on the TA31 sucks. Longer eye relief > Larger FOV See how stupid that is when you state an opinion as fact? A ton of people prefer the TA33, a ton of people prefer the TA11, a ton of people prefer the TA31. It's a trade-off. A TA33 barely weighs more than an Aimpoint T1, but it has 3x magnification. A TA31 requires your eyelashes to be brushing up against the optic to be able to see through it. I know which one I prefer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif Eye relief on the TA31 sucks. Longer eye relief > Larger FOV See how stupid that is when you state an opinion as fact? A ton of people prefer the TA33, a ton of people prefer the TA11, a ton of people prefer the TA31. It's a trade-off. A TA33 barely weighs more than an Aimpoint T1, but it has 3x magnification. A TA31 requires your eyelashes to be brushing up against the optic to be able to see through it. I know which one I prefer. Baloney. Yes the eye relief is short, but not that short. The 31 weighs 2.2 oz more than the 33. The FOV is worth it, for me, especially for a rifle with low recoil (like an AR). |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:10:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this thread makes me want a TA33. what's the preferred mount? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:12:28 PM EDT
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Baloney. Yes the eye relief is short, but not that short. The 31 weighs 2.2 oz more than the 33. The FOV is worth it, for me, especially for a rifle with low recoil (like an AR). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif Eye relief on the TA31 sucks. Longer eye relief > Larger FOV See how stupid that is when you state an opinion as fact? A ton of people prefer the TA33, a ton of people prefer the TA11, a ton of people prefer the TA31. It's a trade-off. A TA33 barely weighs more than an Aimpoint T1, but it has 3x magnification. A TA31 requires your eyelashes to be brushing up against the optic to be able to see through it. I know which one I prefer. Baloney. Yes the eye relief is short, but not that short. The 31 weighs 2.2 oz more than the 33. The FOV is worth it, for me, especially for a rifle with low recoil (like an AR). That's your answer. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:25:50 PM EDT
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Of course this is all subjective, as all ACOGs are great optics at the end of the day. The rest is debating chocolate being better than vanilla. I will say that I shoot NTCH and have zero issue with 31 eye relief. Shoulder, reticle is on target, trigger press, repeat. I don't know how it could really be an issue with NTCH shooting. If one shoots on another platform, or doesn't shoot NTCH I could see using other models. I follow my own advice. My AR SBR sports a 31, Tavor has a 33, and Scar 17 has a 11. They're all great for their own roles, and at the end of the day are all flexible enough to do each other's job fine.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:05:43 PM EDT
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105, of course.
The LaRue mount is too low. Currently, only the factory or the Bobro high mounts put it at the correct height. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:07:53 PM EDT
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The LaRue mount is too low. Currently, only the factory or the Bobro high mounts put it at the correct height. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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105, of course.
The LaRue mount is too low. Currently, only the factory or the Bobro high mounts put it at the correct height. Is $1200 to going rate for a TA33? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:09:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is $1200 to going rate for a TA33? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 105, of course. The LaRue mount is too low. Currently, only the factory or the Bobro high mounts put it at the correct height. Is $1200 to going rate for a TA33? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:09:37 PM EDT
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105, of course.
The LaRue mount is too low. Currently, only the factory or the Bobro high mounts put it at the correct height. Is $1200 to going rate for a TA33? Seems high Check out B&H Photo |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still love my 01NSN Sometimes the old ways are the best ways. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:41:34 PM EDT
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The LaRue mount is too low. Currently, only the factory or the Bobro high mounts put it at the correct height. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The LaRue mount is too low. Currently, only the factory or the Bobro high mounts put it at the correct height. Is $1200 to going rate for a TA33? Holy shit, I'm in for $960 on mine including the LaRue mount. 
Wait for Amazonageddon II? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:49:46 PM EDT
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Problem with variables is the "in between" settings. I really like my NF 1-4, but I don't use 2 or 3, so it's sort of waste. I'll probably go back to a TA-33 or jump up to an Elcan if I can swing it.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 5:54:35 PM EDT
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none. Do it. ACOGs are great until the tritium dims. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:15:34 PM EDT
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Baloney. Yes the eye relief is short, but not that short. The 31 weighs 2.2 oz more than the 33. The FOV is worth it, for me, especially for a rifle with low recoil (like an AR). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif Eye relief on the TA31 sucks. Longer eye relief > Larger FOV See how stupid that is when you state an opinion as fact? A ton of people prefer the TA33, a ton of people prefer the TA11, a ton of people prefer the TA31. It's a trade-off. A TA33 barely weighs more than an Aimpoint T1, but it has 3x magnification. A TA31 requires your eyelashes to be brushing up against the optic to be able to see through it. I know which one I prefer. Baloney. Yes the eye relief is short, but not that short. The 31 weighs 2.2 oz more than the 33. The FOV is worth it, for me, especially for a rifle with low recoil (like an AR). I went with the TA31. eye relief isnt an issue for me. it works. and when the tritium dims it has a fiber on top. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:25:32 PM EDT
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Buy a Vcog
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:39:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The 1X on the Elcan still suffers from the same issue as normal 1-4 optics namely that its still not a true 1X. Its damn close but not perfect, piggy backing a mini red dot on them is just a popular as it is on ACOG's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Get the acog, but get the big one. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/Trijicon_TA648_308H_6x48_ACOG_Riflescope_637814.jpg I got one, also a TA31F, and I have the red chevron, and a Trijicon RDS on an 45 degree mount. If you look thru one, you will wonder why anybody wants anything else, clear sharp optics with no distortion or CA, excellent field of view. If you humped one for more than 30 minutes, you will wonder why anybody wants one, it makes the Elcan looks and feel light. I am actually contemplating replacing that with wither the VCOG or Elcan Specter 1-4X. The Elcan is also interesting. Is it worth double the price to add a throw lever that gets you from 1-4x instantly??? I have no idea. No. The 1X on the Elcan still suffers from the same issue as normal 1-4 optics namely that its still not a true 1X. Its damn close but not perfect, piggy backing a mini red dot on them is just a popular as it is on ACOG's. I thought one of the best parts of the Elcan was that it was a true 1x? Instead of a sliding lens the Elcan actually has multiple lenses... right? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 6:56:50 PM EDT
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It may not be an acog but its Trjicon.....
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:00:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:02:15 PM EDT
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I am a big ACOG fan. I like the TA31 with RMR or Docter on top. Best of both worlds. I actually like the Docter better than the RMR. It seems to respond to light changes better. I recently got an ECOS for my 6920. I like having irons as well.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed magnification If price is no big deal why not a Kahles 1x-6x? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any reason why I shouldn't buy one to replace my Eotech? Price is no big deal I'm capable of saving... so other than that? Fixed magnification If price is no big deal why not a Kahles 1x-6x? I have honestly never heard of them. That's reason #1 I know I'm blaming my own ignorance but it does make a difference... |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:08:37 PM EDT
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the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif That TA31 keeps looking better all the time. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:14:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That TA31 keeps looking better all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: the only thing that would make me pause is the eye relief. Hence the recommendation for the TA33. FOV on the TA33 sucks. Larger FOV > longer eye relief. http://www.firearmreviews.net/pictures/guns/trijicon/distance.gif That TA31 keeps looking better all the time. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:17:59 PM EDT
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Oh gosh.
I'm getting a serious itch here. I knew GD would push me right over the edge. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 7:20:28 PM EDT
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Any reason why I shouldn't buy one to replace my Eotech? Price is no big deal I'm capable of saving... so other than that? Fixed magnification If price is no big deal why not a Kahles 1x-6x? I have honestly never heard of them. That's reason #1 I know I'm blaming my own ignorance but it does make a difference... Look it up. Larue has them with a combo mount. Not cheap, but people say it's the best glass they've ever seen, great FOV, durable...simply the very best there is. |
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