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Posted: 10/12/2016 1:43:29 PM EDT
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i don't think you should be allowed to vote unless you file a tax return every year I don't think you should be allowed to vote if you aren't a net taxpayer. So no voting for fed or state employees. Active military... Ya. The guys who sign up to defend your right to free speech and 2A shouldn't be allowed to vote. They should only be allowed to put a boot on your throat and shoot your dog. Feels, you has them. Stupid ideas, you have them. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 1:48:43 PM EDT
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i don't think you should be allowed to vote unless you file a tax return every year I don't think you should be allowed to vote if you aren't a net taxpayer. So no voting for fed or state employees. Active military... Ya. The guys who sign up to defend your right to free speech and 2A shouldn't be allowed to vote. They should only be allowed to put a boot on your throat and shoot your dog. Feels, you has them. Stupid ideas, you have them. Don't see how someone could assert the gov workers or .mil don't pay their share. It's a liberal style of discussion. Make wild, untrue statements with no logic or substance in order to attempt to couch the discussion as unreasonable. Works fine for the uneducated, uninformed masses which is why they shouldn't be allowed a vote. 
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Posted: 10/12/2016 1:57:16 PM EDT
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White male land owners Unite! There is some white privilege I could be on board with.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:03:23 PM EDT
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The Dems, led by Hillary Clinton, want SUCH universal suffrage that you don't need ID or even need to be a citizen to vote in U.S. elections.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:13:21 PM EDT
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The Dems, led by Hillary Clinton, want SUCH universal suffrage that you don't need ID or even need to be a citizen to vote in U.S. elections. Interesting, huh? |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:17:20 PM EDT
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You want a revolution? Restricting the vote is a good way to get a revolution. Broadening the vote, on the other hand, has acted as a safety valve and allowed the system to reform without being destroyed. As the old-line aristocrat Don Frabrizio, Prince of Salina, said in the classic novel "The Leopard," "Things must change in order that things can remain the same." This is the essence of enlightened conservatism. Lol...coming from a socialist....letting retards and FSA shitbags vote sure has done wonders for the electorate. Bottom line...if people can enthusiastically vote for a person like Hillary, who has to be the crookedest, lyingest, evilest person ever to run for president...they should not be allowed to vote. They are too stupid to vote. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:22:39 PM EDT
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The Dems, led by Hillary Clinton, want SUCH universal suffrage that you don't need ID or even need to be a citizen to vote in U.S. elections. Interesting, huh? It actually is very interesting. Once she takes power they will flood the country with immigrants and refugees that push the percentage who reliably vote D far past the 50? mark. I honestly believe the country is lost. At least the idea of self reliant freedom loving citizens who prefer a small government presence. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:25:40 PM EDT
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Lol...coming from a socialist....letting retards and FSA shitbags vote sure has done wonders for the electorate. Bottom line...if people can enthusiastically vote for a person like Hillary, who has to be the crookedest, lyingest, evilest person ever to run for president...they should not be allowed to vote. They are too stupid to vote. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You want a revolution? Restricting the vote is a good way to get a revolution. Broadening the vote, on the other hand, has acted as a safety valve and allowed the system to reform without being destroyed. As the old-line aristocrat Don Frabrizio, Prince of Salina, said in the classic novel "The Leopard," "Things must change in order that things can remain the same." This is the essence of enlightened conservatism. Lol...coming from a socialist....letting retards and FSA shitbags vote sure has done wonders for the electorate. Bottom line...if people can enthusiastically vote for a person like Hillary, who has to be the crookedest, lyingest, evilest person ever to run for president...they should not be allowed to vote. They are too stupid to vote. You re forgetting LBJ. 
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:26:49 PM EDT
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It actually is very interesting. Once she takes power they will flood the country with immigrants and refugees that push the percentage who reliably vote D far past the 50? mark. I honestly believe the country is lost. At least the idea of self reliant freedom loving citizens who prefer a small government presence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Dems, led by Hillary Clinton, want SUCH universal suffrage that you don't need ID or even need to be a citizen to vote in U.S. elections. Interesting, huh? It actually is very interesting. Once she takes power they will flood the country with immigrants and refugees that push the percentage who reliably vote D far past the 50? mark. I honestly believe the country is lost. At least the idea of self reliant freedom loving citizens who prefer a small government presence. Absent some serious shit, I think you are correct. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:38:38 PM EDT
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Absent some serious shit, I think you are correct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Dems, led by Hillary Clinton, want SUCH universal suffrage that you don't need ID or even need to be a citizen to vote in U.S. elections. Interesting, huh? It actually is very interesting. Once she takes power they will flood the country with immigrants and refugees that push the percentage who reliably vote D far past the 50? mark. I honestly believe the country is lost. At least the idea of self reliant freedom loving citizens who prefer a small government presence. Absent some serious shit, I think you are correct. Sad but true. One of the things that comforts me is the idea that I have always weaved my way between the obstacles to have a better than average existence. That will not change. Stupid low rent people will always be so, folks who strive for a better life will as well. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:45:22 PM EDT
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Universal male suffrage came very early in the US, like the 1820s. The country didn't start going to shit until much later.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:45:59 PM EDT
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The height of tyranny is forcing a free man (or woman) to live under laws he had no say in.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:46:29 PM EDT
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I agree, but you are going to get hammered This. I could not agree more with O.P. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:47:38 PM EDT
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Not really a fan of tyranny myself, but that's probably just because I am overly fond of liberty and representative government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our founders never intended voting to be a universal right. It was intended and written into the constitution to be an earned privilege. They knew a constituency with no skin in the game would destroy the country. They knew a voter base full of uneducated, uninformed people will vote for leaders who are unfit. Those with nothing to lose and no interest at stake would vote away rights, liberty, at the promise for a hand out. And here we are. The blue smoke is out of the box and there's no way to put it back in. And the number of voters with no skin in the game out number those who do, or soon will. Not really a fan of tyranny myself, but that's probably just because I am overly fond of liberty and representative government. So you think the Founders were tyrannical because they didn't give everyone the right to vote? 
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Posted: 10/12/2016 2:50:05 PM EDT
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Almost every ill this country faces can be traced to universal suffrage. Actually every ill this country faces, save that, all of Western civilization faces is firmly rooted in progressive liberalism. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:04:47 PM EDT
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I don't disagree with OP.
That said - the rape of liberty due to the abuse of the commerce clause is just as culpable. Much of our oppression is now, and promises to be, Federal; either directly in law and agency or through purse string manipulations to the states. If Fed were properly constrained within their constitutional bounds, we'd have 50 fiefdoms to wage ideological war in - and the more local the battle the better I think we would do. Yet even if some or many states went liberal - there would still be refuge to be found in conservative strongholds. But when all law is Federal law, there is no place to go if you disagree. The "blue smoke" could be put back in the box if our States ever rediscovered their proper role and forced the Fed back into their constitutional boundaries. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:05:31 PM EDT
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The height of tyranny is forcing a free man (or woman) to live under laws he had no say in. But no one is forced to stay here. That would be tyranny. For those who have earned the right to vote to allow those who haven't contributed to stay here for free is a generous gift. That they have no say in government doesn't force them to stay. The saying beggars can't be choosers is fitting. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:06:38 PM EDT
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So you think the Founders were tyrannical because they didn't give everyone the right to vote? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our founders never intended voting to be a universal right. It was intended and written into the constitution to be an earned privilege. They knew a constituency with no skin in the game would destroy the country. They knew a voter base full of uneducated, uninformed people will vote for leaders who are unfit. Those with nothing to lose and no interest at stake would vote away rights, liberty, at the promise for a hand out. And here we are. The blue smoke is out of the box and there's no way to put it back in. And the number of voters with no skin in the game out number those who do, or soon will. Not really a fan of tyranny myself, but that's probably just because I am overly fond of liberty and representative government. So you think the Founders were tyrannical because they didn't give everyone the right to vote? I originally misread his post as "Not really a fan of tranny..." and was a bit puzzled. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:10:28 PM EDT
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A worse tyranny is to allow one man to use a government to control and steal from another even though it costs him nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The height of tyranny is forcing a free man (or woman) to live under laws he had no say in. A worse tyranny is to allow one man to use a government to control and steal from another even though it costs him nothing. "Control and steal" (which most of us call taxation) is what government does. The only question is how much. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:11:49 PM EDT
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But no one is forced to stay here. That would be tyranny. For those who have earned the right to vote to allow those who haven't contributed to stay here for free is a generous gift. That they have no say in government doesn't force them to stay. The saying beggars can't be choosers is fitting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The height of tyranny is forcing a free man (or woman) to live under laws he had no say in. But no one is forced to stay here. That would be tyranny. For those who have earned the right to vote to allow those who haven't contributed to stay here for free is a generous gift. That they have no say in government doesn't force them to stay. The saying beggars can't be choosers is fitting. I was born here. I will die here. I have guns so people like you can't tell me and mine that we don't get to have a say in how we are governed in the place we were born. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:15:19 PM EDT
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But no one is forced to stay here. That would be tyranny. For those who have earned the right to vote to allow those who haven't contributed to stay here for free is a generous gift. That they have no say in government doesn't force them to stay. The saying beggars can't be choosers is fitting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The height of tyranny is forcing a free man (or woman) to live under laws he had no say in. But no one is forced to stay here. That would be tyranny. For those who have earned the right to vote to allow those who haven't contributed to stay here for free is a generous gift. That they have no say in government doesn't force them to stay. The saying beggars can't be choosers is fitting. I'm going to quote myself because this post was kind of an eye opener for me. I've often been confronted with badfish's statement and had wrestled with it. As I was writing my response it became very clear what the truth of the matter is. It is not tyranny for voting to be earned. Those with no vote are not forced to live under laws they had no say in. It actually is a gift to even allow them to live here and be cared for. They should be grateful for that. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:17:11 PM EDT
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It actually is a gift to even allow them to live here and be cared for. They should be grateful for that. So enough of you and your buddies get together to pass a law saying I, for whatever reason, can no longer participate in elections. I should be grateful that I am allowed to live in the place of my birth "and be cared for?" Buddy, thats how people get shot in the face. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:19:32 PM EDT
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OP nails it.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:21:29 PM EDT
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic?
Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:23:04 PM EDT
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:24:40 PM EDT
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So enough of you and your buddies get together to pass a law saying I, for whatever reason, can no longer participate in elections. I should be grateful that I am allowed to live in the place of my birth "and be cared for?" Buddy, thats how people get shot in the face. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It actually is a gift to even allow them to live here and be cared for. They should be grateful for that. So enough of you and your buddies get together to pass a law saying I, for whatever reason, can no longer participate in elections. I should be grateful that I am allowed to live in the place of my birth "and be cared for?" Buddy, thats how people get shot in the face. You re obviously missing the point. It's not "whatever reason". It is no input = no say. And "cared for" means taking from the gov i.e. other citizens. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:24:57 PM EDT
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Argument by analogy. You are doing it wrong. 
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:26:02 PM EDT
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Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? Only if you choose to stay and abide by their rules and then renege. Other than that you are free. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:27:01 PM EDT
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Argument by analogy. You are doing it wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Argument by analogy. You are doing it wrong. Illustration not argument. I don't see how it's not an apt analogy. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:27:11 PM EDT
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You re obviously missing the point. It's not "whatever reason". It is no input = no say. And "cared for" means taking from the gov i.e. other citizens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It actually is a gift to even allow them to live here and be cared for. They should be grateful for that. So enough of you and your buddies get together to pass a law saying I, for whatever reason, can no longer participate in elections. I should be grateful that I am allowed to live in the place of my birth "and be cared for?" Buddy, thats how people get shot in the face. You re obviously missing the point. It's not "whatever reason". It is no input = no say. And "cared for" means taking from the gov i.e. other citizens. No, its "whatever reason." Define input. Money? Labor? Your children? The answer is "whatever reason." I'm more than familiar with the point. Its the line in the sand at which shooting people becomes an option. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:27:54 PM EDT
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Only if you choose to stay and abide by their rules and then renege. Other than that you are free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? Only if you choose to stay and abide by their rules and then renege. Other than that you are free. No, if the gun club can throw me in jail, I'm going to have a say in how the rules by which I can be thrown in jail are decided. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:30:00 PM EDT
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No, if the gun club can throw me in jail, I'm going to have a say in how the rules by which I can be thrown in jail are decided. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? Only if you choose to stay and abide by their rules and then renege. Other than that you are free. No, if the gun club can throw me in jail, I'm going to have a say in how the rules by which I can be thrown in jail are decided. What would give you that right if you've not paid in like the others and are free to leave if you don't like the way they run things? |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:30:51 PM EDT
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What would give you that right if you've not paid in like the others and are free to leave if you don't like the way they run things? My skin - literally, my flesh and bones - is in the game, if you can throw me in jail. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:39:13 PM EDT
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So you believe someone who is taking money from the government should have equal say in who is collecting and distributing that money as the person from whom the money is being taken?
Edit for my fone. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:40:42 PM EDT
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To OP's News Letter I wish to subscribe.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:41:19 PM EDT
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I agree, but you are going to get hammered I don't mind getting hammered for stating the truth. And the proof of my assertion is about as obvious as can be if you look at our country, currently. No, he means you are going to get drunk. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:43:39 PM EDT
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So you believe someone who is taking money from the government should have equal say in who is collecting and distributing that money as the person from whom the moth is being taken? LOL. Many do. It has been our downfall. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:45:12 PM EDT
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So you believe someone who is taking money from the government should have equal say in who is collecting and distributing that money as the person from whom the money is being taken? Edit for my fone. I believe that every adult subject to the government's power should have a say in how that power is exercised. That this may result in deleterious fiscal consequences does not change my analysis. Convince your fellow citizens to vote differently, but don't disenfranchise them. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:49:05 PM EDT
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Bullshit!
When only whites could vote we had slaves. There are problems to be sure, but if you're failing in today's America odds are real good it's your own damn fault |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:54:23 PM EDT
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I believe that every adult subject to the government's power should have a say in how that power is exercised. That this may result in deleterious fiscal consequences does not change my analysis. Convince your fellow citizens to vote differently, but don't disenfranchise them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you believe someone who is taking money from the government should have equal say in who is collecting and distributing that money as the person from whom the money is being taken? Edit for my fone. I believe that every adult subject to the government's power should have a say in how that power is exercised. That this may result in deleterious fiscal consequences does not change my analysis. Convince your fellow citizens to vote differently, but don't disenfranchise them. So do you think that convicted felons should retain voting rights? |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:55:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Our founders never intended voting to be a universal right. Correct, they viewed half the civilian population as sub-citizens who didn't deserve civil rights because of skin color, or a vagina. Clearly, folks who had a DEEP, PROFOUND respect for individual liberty. Myself? I'd rather see the nation face plant having freedom than prosper forever in a nation filled with subjects who have no say. Lots of people want the trains to run on time, tho, but luckily you lost that fight a long time ago. Live with it. We're never going back. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:56:43 PM EDT
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Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? you are free to leave. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:58:15 PM EDT
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Correct, they viewed half the civilian population as sub-citizens who didn't deserve civil rights because of skin color, or a vagina. Clearly, folks who had a DEEP, PROFOUND respect for individual liberty. Myself? I'd rather see the nation face plant having freedom than prosper forever in a nation filled with subjects who have no say. Lots of people want the trains to run on time, tho, but luckily you lost that fight a long time ago. Live with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our founders never intended voting to be a universal right. Correct, they viewed half the civilian population as sub-citizens who didn't deserve civil rights because of skin color, or a vagina. Clearly, folks who had a DEEP, PROFOUND respect for individual liberty. Myself? I'd rather see the nation face plant having freedom than prosper forever in a nation filled with subjects who have no say. Lots of people want the trains to run on time, tho, but luckily you lost that fight a long time ago. Live with it. So 1 year olds and illegal aliens should vote since they are under the control of the government. Anyone in the jurisdiction of the united states must have the right to vote otherwise its "a nation of subjects who have no say" |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:59:03 PM EDT
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So you believe someone who is taking money from the government should have equal say in who is collecting and distributing that money as the person from whom the money is being taken? Edit for my fone. I believe that every adult subject to the government's power should have a say in how that power is exercised. That this may result in deleterious fiscal consequences does not change my analysis. Convince your fellow citizens to vote differently, but don't disenfranchise them. So do you think that convicted felons should retain voting rights? Felons had no right to vote at common law. I'm okay with that continuing. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 4:05:46 PM EDT
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Don't see how someone could assert the gov workers or .mil don't pay their share. It's a liberal style of discussion. Make wild, untrue statements with no logic or substance in order to attempt to couch the discussion as unreasonable. Works fine for the uneducated, uninformed masses which is why they shouldn't be allowed a vote. Didn't think you would be that bad at math. They don't pay their fair share because they don't add anything to the bottom line. Mathematically impossible. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 4:06:01 PM EDT
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Correct, they viewed half the civilian population as sub-citizens who didn't deserve civil rights because of skin color, or a vagina. Clearly, folks who had a DEEP, PROFOUND respect for individual liberty. Myself? I'd rather see the nation face plant having freedom than prosper forever in a nation filled with subjects who have no say. Lots of people want the trains to run on time, tho, but luckily you lost that fight a long time ago. Live with it. We're never going back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our founders never intended voting to be a universal right. Correct, they viewed half the civilian population as sub-citizens who didn't deserve civil rights because of skin color, or a vagina. Clearly, folks who had a DEEP, PROFOUND respect for individual liberty. Myself? I'd rather see the nation face plant having freedom than prosper forever in a nation filled with subjects who have no say. Lots of people want the trains to run on time, tho, but luckily you lost that fight a long time ago. Live with it. We're never going back. The black folks in Zimbabwe want to go back to the people who knew what they were doing being in charge. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 4:06:39 PM EDT
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Double tap save;
.gov and .mil earn their say. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 4:06:58 PM EDT
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Net taxpayers vote. Problem solved. Problem staying solved. This. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 4:07:25 PM EDT
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? Can the gun club throw me in jail and take away my property? you are free to leave. From my home? The hell I am. Citizenship isn't a damn gun club. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 4:08:29 PM EDT
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If you were a member of a gun club but paid no dues while all other members paid 500 dollars a year, should you get to vote on what is being served at the fall picnic? Have a say on what matches are ran or who the club officers should be? And yet you can't figure out a simple math problem of net taxpayer. |
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