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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:13:34 PM EST
[#1]
His support for Hitler and then Nazi's pretty much ended any
admiration I ever felt for the man. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:15:45 PM EST
[#2]
Quoted: I found out he had cheated on his wife--and family-- for decades. https://www.bing.com/search?q=charles+lindbergh's+german+children&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=charles+lindbergh's+german+children&sc=2-35&sk=&cvid=77A490418EAF4FCFA94A74124E30C63B&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl= I understand how some "mistakes" of passion can occur, but running multiple and intentionally separate families for decades goes well beyond that. My respect for Lindburgh, as a Man, as a (married) Husband, and as a Father is diminished. YMMV. "Show me a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum" - Gregory "Pappy" Boyington |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:16:42 PM EST
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Buffalo Bill Cody was the same for me.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:18:17 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His support for Hitler and then Nazi's pretty much ended any admiration I ever felt for the man. I'm fairly certain that Lindbergh had US national interest at heart, but YMMV. Cheating, for decades, on his wife and family is another thing, IMHO. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:18:30 PM EST
[#5]
He managed to have secret families with two sisters... might be a scumbag, but that's ballsy!
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:21:31 PM EST
[#6]
Oppenheimer slept with lots of peoples wives too.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:21:41 PM EST
[#7]
Being good at one thing doesn't mean you're good at everything.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:22:18 PM EST
[#8]
I never think of him
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:22:55 PM EST
[#9]
Sometimes intelligent, driven people have skrewed up ways of dealing with themselves.
Lindbergh was first, but someone was going to do it Plenty of stories about other aviators who risked themselves to help others. Not seek glory. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:24:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being good at one thing doesn't mean you're good at everything. & Man judges the outside God the inside. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:25:39 PM EST
[#11]
Think he did pretty well against the japs.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:26:34 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never think of him Historical perspective can be valuable. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:27:00 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His support for Hitler and then Nazi's pretty much ended any admiration I ever felt for the man. This right here. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:30:01 PM EST
[#14]
Two sides of the same coin. The traits that drive a person to heroic accomplishments also tend to drive them to unacceptable behaviors.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:31:28 PM EST
[#15]
Charles Lindbergh was a test pilot. I've known a lot of test pilots and I don't know any test pilots that stick to 1 woman. Just sayin'
Wikipedia has his America First Speech Before anyone condemns it, they should probably read it. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:32:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two sides of the same coin. The traits that drive a person to heroic accomplishments also tend to drive them to unacceptable behaviors. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:34:38 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Understood. I'm setting aside his "America First" opinions, which are debatable. I'm fairly certain that Lindbergh had US national interest at heart, but YMMV. Cheating, for decades, on his wife and family is another thing, IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: His support for Hitler and then Nazi's pretty much ended any admiration I ever felt for the man. I'm fairly certain that Lindbergh had US national interest at heart, but YMMV. Cheating, for decades, on his wife and family is another thing, IMHO. If he were alive today, he’d be all in for Russia Stronk and proclaiming how BRICS is the future and we should drop Trou and assume the position. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:34:54 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Being good at one thing doesn't mean you're good at everything. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:35:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: & Man judges the outside God the inside. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Being good at one thing doesn't mean you're good at everything. & Man judges the outside God the inside. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:35:33 PM EST
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Lindy still gets a nod of respect from me for “testing” the largest bomb load carried by a single engine fighter in the war onto a Japanese gun emplacement with an F4U.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:36:54 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two sides of the same coin. The traits that drive a person to heroic accomplishments also tend to drive them to unacceptable behaviors. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:38:04 PM EST
[#22]
Well he was a pilot so…
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:39:05 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Often true. However some very rare people rise above this. I give, as an example, George Washington. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Two sides of the same coin. The traits that drive a person to heroic accomplishments also tend to drive them to unacceptable behaviors. True, but General Washington was a model of self-restraint and propriety. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:39:50 PM EST
[#24]
Pilots gonna pilot
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:40:55 PM EST
[#25]
I grew up a couple miles from his house in NJ. The kidnapping and murder of the child probably didn't help matters with his mentality towards life and morality.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:41:26 PM EST
[#26]
He was a cocksman. I cant keep one wife straight how the hell could you have four women.
In before arfcom hero comes around with 5. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:41:40 PM EST
[#27]
If thats your standard then your politcal Candiate options are also going to be greatly limited
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:41:43 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lindy still gets a nod of respect from me for "testing" the largest bomb load carried by a single engine fighter in the war onto a Japanese gun emplacement with an F4U. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:42:43 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lindy still gets a nod of respect from me for “testing” the largest bomb load carried by a single engine fighter in the war onto a Japanese gun emplacement with an F4U. Lindberg was also very important in showing Pacific P-38 pilots how to get maximum range from their aircraft with mixture & rpm controls. He demonstrated how United States Marine Corps Aviation pilots could take off safely with a bomb load double the Vought F4U Corsair fighter-bomber's rated capacity. At the time, several Marine squadrons were flying bomber escorts to destroy the Japanese stronghold of Rabaul, New Britain, in the Australian Territory of New Guinea. On May 21, 1944, Lindbergh flew his first combat mission: a strafing run with VMF-222 near the Japanese garrison of Rabaul. He also flew with VMF-216, from the Marine Air Base at Torokina, Bougainville. Lindbergh was escorted on one of these missions by Lt. Robert E. (Lefty) McDonough, who refused to fly with Lindbergh again, as he did not want to be known as "the guy who killed Lindbergh". In his six months in the Pacific in 1944, Lindbergh took part in fighter bomber raids on Japanese positions, flying 50 combat missions (again as a civilian). His innovations in the use of Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighters impressed a supportive Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Lindbergh introduced engine-leaning techniques to P-38 pilots, greatly improving fuel consumption at cruise speeds, enabling the long-range fighter aircraft to fly longer-range missions. P-38 pilot Warren Lewis quoted Lindbergh's fuel-saving settings, "He said, '... we can cut the RPM down to 1400RPMs and use 30 inches of mercury (manifold pressure), and save 50–100 gallons of fuel on a mission.'" The U.S. Marine and Army Air Force pilots who served with Lindbergh praised his courage and defended his patriotism. On July 28, 1944, during a P-38 bomber escort mission with the 433rd Fighter Squadron in the Ceram area, Lindbergh shot down a Mitsubishi Ki-51 "Sonia" observation plane, piloted by Captain Saburo Shimada, commanding officer of the 73rd Independent Chutai Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:50:17 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lindberg was also very important in showing Pacific P-38 pilots how to get maximum range from their aircraft with mixture & rpm controls. He demonstrated how United States Marine Corps Aviation pilots could take off safely with a bomb load double the Vought F4U Corsair fighter-bomber's rated capacity. At the time, several Marine squadrons were flying bomber escorts to destroy the Japanese stronghold of Rabaul, New Britain, in the Australian Territory of New Guinea. On May 21, 1944, Lindbergh flew his first combat mission: a strafing run with VMF-222 near the Japanese garrison of Rabaul. He also flew with VMF-216, from the Marine Air Base at Torokina, Bougainville. Lindbergh was escorted on one of these missions by Lt. Robert E. (Lefty) McDonough, who refused to fly with Lindbergh again, as he did not want to be known as "the guy who killed Lindbergh". In his six months in the Pacific in 1944, Lindbergh took part in fighter bomber raids on Japanese positions, flying 50 combat missions (again as a civilian). His innovations in the use of Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighters impressed a supportive Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Lindbergh introduced engine-leaning techniques to P-38 pilots, greatly improving fuel consumption at cruise speeds, enabling the long-range fighter aircraft to fly longer-range missions. P-38 pilot Warren Lewis quoted Lindbergh's fuel-saving settings, "He said, '... we can cut the RPM down to 1400RPMs and use 30 inches of mercury (manifold pressure), and save 50 100 gallons of fuel on a mission.'" The U.S. Marine and Army Air Force pilots who served with Lindbergh praised his courage and defended his patriotism. On July 28, 1944, during a P-38 bomber escort mission with the 433rd Fighter Squadron in the Ceram area, Lindbergh shot down a Mitsubishi Ki-51 "Sonia" observation plane, piloted by Captain Saburo Shimada, commanding officer of the 73rd Independent Chutai Bigger_Hammer |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:51:24 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He managed to have secret families with two sisters... might be a scumbag, but that's ballsy! Had to make Christmas gatherings a little uncomfortable. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:52:37 PM EST
[#32]
Quoted: I found out he had cheated on his wife--and family-- for decades. https://www.bing.com/search?q=charles+lindbergh's+german+children&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=charles+lindbergh's+german+children&sc=2-35&sk=&cvid=77A490418EAF4FCFA94A74124E30C63B&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl= I understand how some "mistakes" of passion can occur, but running multiple and intentionally separate families for decades goes well beyond that. My respect for Lindburgh, as a Man, as a (married) Husband, and as a Father is diminished. YMMV. He was a man, ie Fallen, we all are. That is not an excuse to continue living in error, but it is our natural default state. Plus have you seen French/German women?! |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:53:42 PM EST
[#33]
Probably 1000x more interesting than the op to talk to.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:57:05 PM EST
[#34]
While unauthorized, he flew some combat missions in the Paciific. He went there to give talks on how to extend the flight range and was allowed to fly by the squadron.
ETA: Beaten by Bigger_Hammer who even provided details. Kudos to you B_H. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:58:40 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lindberg was also very important in showing Pacific P-38 pilots how to get maximum range from their aircraft with mixture & rpm controls. He demonstrated how United States Marine Corps Aviation pilots could take off safely with a bomb load double the Vought F4U Corsair fighter-bomber's rated capacity. At the time, several Marine squadrons were flying bomber escorts to destroy the Japanese stronghold of Rabaul, New Britain, in the Australian Territory of New Guinea. On May 21, 1944, Lindbergh flew his first combat mission: a strafing run with VMF-222 near the Japanese garrison of Rabaul. He also flew with VMF-216, from the Marine Air Base at Torokina, Bougainville. Lindbergh was escorted on one of these missions by Lt. Robert E. (Lefty) McDonough, who refused to fly with Lindbergh again, as he did not want to be known as "the guy who killed Lindbergh". In his six months in the Pacific in 1944, Lindbergh took part in fighter bomber raids on Japanese positions, flying 50 combat missions (again as a civilian). His innovations in the use of Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighters impressed a supportive Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Lindbergh introduced engine-leaning techniques to P-38 pilots, greatly improving fuel consumption at cruise speeds, enabling the long-range fighter aircraft to fly longer-range missions. P-38 pilot Warren Lewis quoted Lindbergh's fuel-saving settings, "He said, '... we can cut the RPM down to 1400RPMs and use 30 inches of mercury (manifold pressure), and save 50 100 gallons of fuel on a mission.'" The U.S. Marine and Army Air Force pilots who served with Lindbergh praised his courage and defended his patriotism. On July 28, 1944, during a P-38 bomber escort mission with the 433rd Fighter Squadron in the Ceram area, Lindbergh shot down a Mitsubishi Ki-51 "Sonia" observation plane, piloted by Captain Saburo Shimada, commanding officer of the 73rd Independent Chutai Bigger_Hammer Nobody disrespects Lindbergh's capabilities as an aviator, but his being able to use a then-modern aircraft (which he had never flown previously) and to modify it its' use in a way that nobody had thought about previously seems a bit much, to me. That said (and debatable), OP speaks more to his honesty and integrity as a Man, Husband, and as a Father. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 3:59:38 PM EST
[#36]
Giant balls full of testosterone will do that to you.
People who don't have that attack it on moral grounds. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:00:15 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably 1000x more interesting than the op to talk to. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:02:19 PM EST
[#38]
In this thread the OP learns that EVERYONE lives a fallen life. Perfection was only achieved by Christ himself.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:02:24 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Giant balls full of testosterone will do that to you. People who don't have that attack it on moral grounds. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:04:32 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His support for Hitler and then Nazi's pretty much ended any admiration I ever felt for the man. FPNI! How could anyone (OP) admire a NAZI? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:05:42 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Understood. I'm setting aside his "America First" opinions, which are debatable. I'm fairly certain that Lindbergh had US national interest at heart, but YMMV. Cheating, for decades, on his wife and family is another thing, IMHO. Fun fact, his Father was the led opponent to the creation of the Federal Reserve, oddly rough he died a few months later due to a fast action brain cancer..Odd. How are they debatable? It was in our best interests NOT to get into the war. 90% of Americans agreed at the time that it wasn’t necessary or worth it. Had Lucky Lindy ran for the White House America would be in a far better place no FDR 3/4th terms, we could have avoided getting sucked into the war, 600,000 boys stay alive at home, millions more don’t come back with PTSD, broken homes, fatherless families, etc. Through a mirror darkly we gaze longingly, longingly we gaze through a mirror darkly. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:06:45 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His support for Hitler and then Nazi's pretty much ended any admiration I ever felt for the man. Yep |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:07:36 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Few folks think about Lindbergh nowadays, but for a long time, Lindbergh was the most famous man on the planet--bar none. Historical perspective can be valuable. That’s is how and why we got here. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:08:50 PM EST
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He was a Nazi sympathizer just like Ford.
And yeah, that's where "America first" came from. People that were pro Hitler and the Nazi party. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:09:07 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Charles Lindbergh was a test pilot. I've known a lot of test pilots and I don't know any test pilots that stick to 1 woman. Just sayin' Wikipedia has his America First Speech Before anyone condemns it, they should probably read it. Learn independently, without government drones ur, I mean teachers giving the state approved, uh I mean “correct” stance on something? Oh noes!/s |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:10:25 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His support for Hitler and then Nazi's pretty much ended any admiration I ever felt for the man. People need to see this in the context of the times. None of the concentration camps or atrocities had occurred yet. The nazis were vehemently anticommunists and that attracted a lot of interest. Wehrmacht troops actually thought the Americans would join the fight to crush communism. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:11:05 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he were alive today, he’d be all in for Russia Stronk and proclaiming how BRICS is the future and we should drop Trou and assume the position. Tell me you know nothing about Lindbergh without tell me you know nothing about Lindbergh. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:11:58 PM EST
[#48]
Holding people to today's sensibilities band virtue's is dumb. What ever you do don't go looking into the secret affairs of the founding father's, you will hate America.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:12:00 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was a Nazi sympathizer just like Ford. And yeah, that's where "America first" came from. People that were pro Hitler and the Nazi party. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:12:21 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I grew up a couple miles from his house in NJ. The kidnapping and murder of the child probably didn't help matters with his mentality towards life and morality. Fun fact General Norman Schwarzkopf Sr was the NJ State Police superintendent during this investigation. His son was Stormin’ Norman of Desert Storm |
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