I believe you meant what your words meant. I didn't think you were posting it just to see yourself post it.

You said it's true. I've asked you why you believe it is true. Merely because you said it is.

The Overton window seems to always move to the left until failure.

How does one describe objective truth other than stating its truth?

How do you prove something beautiful?

What frame of reference do you use to establish truth?

Who decides what and what isn’t true?

If you don’t realize, this is the fundamental disagreement we’re having.

Only the leftist who views the world through a post modern lens continually denigrates objective truth by continually attacking its base with an ever expansive subjective framework.

It’s a spread your wings ideology. One of the self governed. It take’s people of integrity to make it work. We don’t let that be taught in schools anymore.  Left and right wing are both totalitarian in nature. What the founders attempted was to get us out of that. But unfortunately we are heading back to it.

You've played yourself.

Divinely appointed Judges are God's will. God only made kings because people wouldn't be satisfied by His will and did that which was libertarian.

You must want me to be the leftist boogeyman very badly.

Now you are obfusticating. You made a claim. You were asked. You won't even try and cite it from the text.

It doesn't matter if you can or not, if you won't.

Personally, I believe you won't try, because you know you can't, and you're too egotistical to take an L, because taking an L would, in your mind, make you less. But that's just a bald faced guess.

The Cola Mullah. LOL Interesting read.

We did?

I'm pretty sure democracy and republics are European inventions.

Do we not live in a republic?

I already stated I wasn’t going to elaborate.

You’re the one hyper fixating on it, still, stuck four or five posts behind.

I’m not engaging because you’re bad faith. You make an attempt to establish the win conditions and then loop when someone won’t follow them.

I don’t care about wins or losses in petty internet squabbles. I care about objective truth. Debating is gay.

Debate is basically democracy. It should be avoided by a man of principle on principle.


Nuh uh, my opinion is right.

No, Marx did not create the "left." That existed before Marx was able to steal enough from others to live lavishly off his plagiarism of history.

The "left" existed in the Springtime of the Peoples, a series of revolutions throughout Europe over the course of more than one year, from 1848 to 1849. In the June Rebellion of 1832 when  anti-monarchist insurrection of Parisian republicans rose up against the constitutional monarchy established in 1830. The "left" existed in the Haitian Revolution (1791-1804) and they existed in the French Revolution (1789-1799) and in French First Republic (1792-1804) and its Reign of Terror. Don't forget the revolts against Spanish rule in Latin America (1810-1819) by anti-monarchists.

The goal of these revolts was essentially democratic and liberal in nature, with the aim of removing the old monarchical structures and creating independent nation-states. Conservatives of the era were strictly for defending and upholding the traditions and institutions of the monarchies that were across Europe and the New World.

The root of Conservative ideology is to outright defend the status quo and the status quo then was that monarchies were the established systems of government. Thus, they must be defended. Just like how American Conservatives today protect the status quo and the status quo of a century and a half of American policy has been Democrat policies and cultural memorials to their support of slavery and bigotry. Conservatives today defend the institutions of a large over-bearing government that constantly strips people of their rights and income. Heck, you have Conservatives defending Confederate memorials from Democrats and those were all put up originally by Democrats!

As for Marx didn't first publish his toilet paper until February of 1848. By then, the rumblings of leftist revolt was already entrenched in the political spheres of Europe and the Americas. It was entrenched due to the blood spilled by previous generations of Leftists. In fact, the surviving failures of the Springtime of the Peoples immigrated to the US because they had to flee their homelands for rising up against their monarchies. Once they settled in the US, they established the socialist movement here long before Marx's dribble ever became popular. Hell, the May Day riots were started by Leftist veterans of the Springtime of the Peoples.

The only difference between the US Revolution and the rest was the US Revolution still protected the idea of private property ownership. The rest, starting with Haiti and France was all about taking property and making it communal.

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To be fair, our functioning constitution is now ... not written down.

It is the civil rights bureacracies and the rest of the bureacracies, such as the epa, and the stuff they put out is applied through their own courts, and the outside courts in ways that are utterly unpredictable.

Our real constitions (state and fed) are oligarchies right now.

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Yep.

Marx got a bunch of his stuff from hegel. Rosseau said a bunch of that stuff earlier ...

Seems like most of these things, it just goes right back to the garden.

"no, you will not surely die. You will be like god (liberated from his rules)" ... the rest is history, cryin, and dyin, with some good stuff mixed in.

The only difference between the US Revolution and the rest was the US Revolution still protected the idea of private property ownership. The rest, starting with Haiti and France was all about taking property and making it communal.

To an extent.

They stole from the people who wouldn't go along with the revolution, even those who just tried to stay out of it.

It's not shocking that this happened, it's shocking that we didn't wind up going full on french revolution and destroy everything.

We took the conservative liberalism that will end worse than the French Revolution

Marx stole a lot from Hegelian dialectical thought. The French Revolution and Haitian Revolution were the paths the US could have gone down if it were not for just men leading the pack and a little bit of luck. Heck, the English Civil War (1639-1653) was a series of conflicted between the royalists and parliamentarians. The parliamentarians were anti-monarchists and established the Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland. A form of government where there was no monarchy.

But to really throw things into a loop. You've had a Communist Monarchy in the history of the world.

Maurice Bishop announced the "People's Laws", which effectively suspended the 1973 constitution, but retained the Queen as Grenada's head of state. People's Law Number 3 stated:

The Head of State shall remain Her Majesty the Queen and her representative in this country shall continue to be the Governor-General who shall perform such functions as the People's Revolutionary Government may from time to time advise.

You had a Communist Monarchy from 1979 to 1983.

Yes, there was theft and that's why you had the Tories flee to Canada and the West Indies.

The point and sputter stage

Love to see it

We've all been there

No

Divine right monarchy implies hierarchy.  This ignores Natural Law.

the king should be crowned by mutual combat, dick measuring while fully aroused, or a challenge of skill.   Ideally all three, in that order, in rapid succession.

American conservatism is constitutional federalism. John C. Calhoun was the last person of any real power who pushed the notion, and that was that delegated powers specifically given to the US Government limited the authority of the US Government, everything else fell to the states.

Also, the Bill of Rights was never incorporated against the states, your state constitution protects you from your state government.

Gee, I feel so safe.



It was John C. Calhoun's political offspring who rewrote the Florida Constitution to specifically disarm people of their choosing by granting the legislature the power to determine what is and isn't legal in regard to carrying arms. As such, they passed a century's worth of laws to specificall strip people of their inalienable rights to keep and bear arms.

Based, also this thread shows just how many leftists we have.

@PeepEater, there is a legal theory of unconstitutional constitutional amendments. It has been argued that the Fifth Amendment would in theory prevent such a thing from happening. A number of the founders feared outright popular sovereignty and established our system of government to a degree to be modeled after that of a monarchical state of the United Kingdom for the express purpose of making sure that mob rule doesn't take hold.

Even the founders, in their attempt to overthrow the monarchy, understood that the powers of the monarchy over the commoners was needed. They were proven right with seeing the end results of outright popular sovereignty in France.

You have people here that think Marx invented the "Left" when it existed long before that fat fuck was old enough to leech his way into popularity or even was alive. Folks really need to deep dive history.

You really need to go back to elementary school. Liberalism in the time of our forefathers did not have the same meaning as Left or Right Wing today thanks to the Socialist and communist thought and movements of the early 1800s and beyond.

I used to be a leftist.

Some things happened. My naivety was stripped away by the trauma of this leftist system's moral lawlessness.

Now I understand that we must escape the monstrosity that is global leftist homogenization.

Some would say there is no place to escape too, this was the last stand on Earth. Well, Reagan said that. Reagan is a hero to men who think civilization is measured by GDP, and whose grand kids are too busy trooning out on Tik Tok to carry on the family business.

We will have to make an unprecedented pilgrimage. Where shall we go, you ask? Isn't it obvious?

Space.

We are going to have to move into space. We have the technology to build colonies. We must have the will to do so.

One man alive today has the vision to physically get us there.

We don't have the will yet.

Right now, too many people's souls are chained by earth's gravity.

The vision will become reality one day, or humanity won't survive the cancer of democracy.

School, as we know it today, is a communist subversive plot to make ideal workers for the crony capitalist factories. When factory work dried up, it became nothing more than an indoctrination ground. I don't trust anyone who went to public school.

People are told from a very young age in seemingly every culture I've heard of that you don't live for yourself. You live to serve those around you in some way or another. What you want is irrelevant.

Now go along to get along and always seek the approval of those you respect. Whatever that entails. And don't ever ask what you want. That's somewhere on a spectrum between selfishness and Satanism.

Became? LOL, my sweet summer child. The entire system of our current education system is modeled after the Prussian system. Which its sole goal was to produce obedient and productive citizens of the Reich. Our system is designed to educate people just enough that they can produce economically and be loyal to the current power structure in power. From day one, our schools.have been indoctrination grounds. There is a reason truancy is a crime and for decades there was a fight against home schooling and private schooling. The goal was to get as many American children indoctrinated to be good little subservient boys and girls who don't question the authority and policies of the government.

And that's for the people of Florida to fix. Not my issue. States are sovereign. When you assign these things to the federal government to mediate, a government that can green light your right can also take those rights away, for everyone. In a federal republic, you can stay and fight or move to somewhere that fits your position.

We are not the United State.

Leftists are godless.  

The Constitution recognizes God.

So, which is better - to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away or by three thousand tyrants one mile away?

three thousand tyrants one mile away. Thanks to the second amendment I don't even need to be in the same zip code thanks to the private artillery we all maintain for the security of the free state.

You tell me. When I've needed the ear of my state, I've managed to get something done at the state level. Once in Louisiana, and once in Georgia for my father.

The regime in DC does not care what you think, say...

At least at the state level, you have a chance to influence someone.

You sure about that?

Maurice Bishop announced the "People's Laws", which effectively suspended the 1973 constitution, but retained the Queen as Grenada's head of state. People's Law Number 3 stated:

The Head of State shall remain Her Majesty the Queen and her representative in this country shall continue to be the Governor-General who shall perform such functions as the People's Revolutionary Government may from time to time advise.

You had a Communist Monarchy from 1979 to 1983 that believed in keeping a sovereign monarchy who justified their sovereign power to rule was granted to them by God.

The kibbutzim of Orthodox Judaism is socialist in economic practices/property and they are very religious.

The Oneida Community in New York established themselves to be closer to God via spiritual perfectionism and were communal socialists with property and even marriages. All community members were expected to work, each according to their abilities with community members rotated through the more unskilled jobs, working in the house, the fields, or the various industries.

There's one God.  It has nothing to do with religion.  Statements like "closer to 'God' via spiritual perfectionism" shows how off they were to the one true God.  

I'll say it differently.  Leftists worship gods.

They are false and will be their doom.

Today, we're dealing with a deeper imperative.

Good vs evil.

ETA: I'm saddened that I was only beaten by one page's worth of posters. Step up your game, people!

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government  

I'm more on the libertarian side with the emphasis on following the US constitution.

Marx is the father of the "left" as we know it. No one previously had pushed the idea as it is used by the actual "left" today. Wanting to kill kings and attacking the rich is not solely "left". The left wants Kings.. it craves the boot. Might as well claim Athens is the start of the left for getting rid of their kings.

Freedom is borne out of bloodshed......... Personal responsibility is just a pillar (one of several) of morality that upholds it once its gained.

Stupid poll, no vote.

Anarchists make me laugh.

You were done the moment you hit 'Submit' when you created this thread.

OP is not wrong.