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11/12/2018 9:29:29 PM EDT
[#1]
I heard it at the gun show so it must be true.
11/12/2018 9:30:38 PM EDT
[#2]
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OP,

Unless you have “lead-free” primers, you don’t have anything to worry about, unless your ammo is freezing & thawing.  Or, you have corrosive primers & need to use hot water to rinse the salts (potassium chloride).
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True.
11/12/2018 9:33:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Back about 1990 or so I was at the range and one of the cool old coots showed up and asked me if I wanted to help shoot up some old ammo.

He had some nasty looking 38 rimfire that he had stored in some old shed and the roof caved in and it was a couple of years before he dug it out.

He had a real old Colt cap and ball revolver that had been factory converted to 38 rimfire . His father had won the gun in a poker game back in the 1930s
and had given it to this guy when he was a kid because there wasn't any available ammo.

Guy was 12 years old and rode the train from Stradford CT to Bannermans surplus store in New York city and they sold him a crate of ammo that was made in 1875.

Stuff was copper (not brass) case with plain lead bullets. Both the cases and the bullets were pretty crusty so we kind of buffed them a bit with steel wool and gave them a try.

To be fair about a 1/3 fired fine , some had a crazy hangfire from just noticeable to about 2 seconds, and some were duds. being rimfire you could twist the shell and hit the rim in a different place and most went off .

I have used some old CCI primers that from the packaging was made in the 1960s or earlier . You could from the packages that they had got wet at some point but I tried a few just for giggles and they all worked . I ended up loading a couple of thousand practice rounds and they were all fine.

Not saying one should use old beat up stuff for self defense or hunting but ammo is quite durable
11/12/2018 9:35:21 PM EDT
[#4]
About 10 years ago I was shooting up some LC-66 7.62x51 ball ammo, and it worked just fine.  I wouldn't have any hesitation to use it.  I will grant that it was stored properly and cases didn't even look like they had aged patina on them.  The looked like ball ammo made 5 years ago..

Ammo manufacturers have a vested interest in getting people to buy more ammo, so they put a short shelf life on it.   How ammo is stored and handled has much more to do with shelf life than the calendar does.  Ammo that is exposed to large changes in temperature, humidity, chemicals, oils, will degrade more quickly.  Ammo the is handled a great deal, dropped, roughly handled, or cycled through actions may have the waterproof seals crack or break.  Properly stored and handled ammo will be good for a very long time.
11/12/2018 9:37:13 PM EDT
[#5]
Yes, there are certain loads that use lead free primers that have an appropriate 10 year shelf life or less depending on how the ammo is stored.  Heat kills it faster.
11/12/2018 9:38:53 PM EDT
[#6]
lol, hell no.

In the mid 2000s I went to a machine gun shoot where people were shooting ww2 headstamped german 8mm in their 1919s. That stuff ran ok.

Modern production ammo?  Keep it in a cool dry place and it will probably outlive you.
11/12/2018 9:39:20 PM EDT
[#7]
I've got lots of comm block 7.62 x 54R that was made in the 90's.....a few cases worth of LC 5.56 from the mid 80's....and a shrinking pile of surplus .303 British from the 60's.

All of it goes bang...every time.
11/12/2018 9:43:33 PM EDT
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Yes, there are certain loads that use non-mercuric primers that have an appropriate 10 year shelf life or less depending on how the ammo is store.
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Sort of.

Virtually all current "non corrosive" primers use LEAD STYPHNATE as the priming compound.

If it has a shelf life, current ammo will remain reliable longer than you are likely to live (over 100 years).

Again, the priming compound in your ammo is LEAD STYPHNATE.

Lead is a problem.

You are banned from using lead shot to hunt migratory waterfowl.

Lead wheel weights are banned.

The government can (and probably will) ban lead primers at some point.

Non-lead primers have a shelf life of about 5 to 10 years.
11/12/2018 9:47:12 PM EDT
[#9]
These primers have a shelf life of about 10 years:



These are "lead free" primers.
11/12/2018 9:48:40 PM EDT
[#10]
This 556 ammunition has a 10-year shelf life:

11/12/2018 9:50:31 PM EDT
[#11]
These primers will only last about 10 years - whether loaded into ammo or not.

These are "lead free" primers:

11/12/2018 9:52:53 PM EDT
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All modern ammunition that’s been stored in dry stable environment are good for longer than any of us on the earth today.
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That is how the Army stores it - but none in temperature controlled environments. None. Some lots age prematurely and can't be shot up fast enough to get rid of it. At a certain point too many misfires and it's no longer acceptable. Might be 15 years, might be 25. Depends.

Once its rotated thru range firing and found substandard, we get rid of it. Demil, foreign training aid ammo, whatever.

Ammo will not last longer than the child born on the same day it was loaded. Not even. And it's not a complete cartridge when it hits the bone.

One major tell - I was born in 1953. There was no 5.56 back then. The 45 year service life of 5.56 is a rare anomaly in combat weapons. For the most part .30-06 is all shot up, WWII .45 ACP dried up, etc. Who's got a warehouse filled with .38 Special dating back to the '50s? Not.

As time goes by more and more of it is made JIT and shot up within a much shorter window. For better or worse, we aren't storing massive amounts of cartridges as long any more. Commercial production certainly isn't, or we would never have seen the shortages on .22.

You have your ammo fort, the producers have a buffer stock with continuous production and in the last two freakouts they have been trimming more non profitable rounds each time, reducing variety and moving production to those which need more quantity to meet demand. When have they been able to even try to tie up capital and profit in excess ammo in the face of massive government contracts?

It's not the good ol days any more. I'm not expecting the Paki's to dump surplus .308 when Iran collapses.
11/12/2018 9:54:32 PM EDT
[#13]
Lead-less primed ammunition only lasts about 10 years due to the lead-free priming compound in the primer:

11/12/2018 9:59:24 PM EDT
[#14]
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All part of the Pentavirate conspiracy to eliminate guns.
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"The queen, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, the Vatican, AND Colonel Sanders before he went tits up!"
11/12/2018 10:05:40 PM EDT
[#15]
This is Winchester ammunition - and this type has a shelf life of about 10 years:



Does all Winchester ammo have a shelf life?  NO!  But "lead free" or "non-toxic" primed ammo last about 10 years.

Can .gov pass regulations or laws banning lead?   Hmm, so far they've banned lead in:

- waterfowl hunting ammo (shot only)

- wheel weights

- gasoline

- paint

- pencils,

So.  Yes - they can ban lead from primers.
11/12/2018 10:10:09 PM EDT
[#16]
Winchester Superclean NT has a shelf life of about 10 years:

http://winchesterle.com/PRODUCTS/HANDGUN-AMMUNITION/super-clean-nt-tin/super-clean-nt/Pages/default.aspx
11/12/2018 10:21:39 PM EDT
[#17]
This type of ammunition has a 10 year shelf life:

11/12/2018 10:24:37 PM EDT
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Your theory is wrong.
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Do tell, I can't stand the suspense.
11/12/2018 10:25:45 PM EDT
[#19]
This ammo has a 10 year shelf life:



The primer contains NO lead.

Lead free priming compounds do not last that long.
11/12/2018 10:35:15 PM EDT
[#20]
It's all about how it is stored.  I still shoot ammo made back during WWII regularly.
11/12/2018 10:54:26 PM EDT
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Do tell, I can't stand the suspense.
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Did you read the thread? Powder doesn't really degrade in human time. Primers may, but only if "Clean" or stored badly.
11/12/2018 10:59:09 PM EDT
[#22]
I had a brick of Remington Kleanbore 22 LR That my Father bought in 1979.  We fired it all up this summer.  All 500 rounds fired except for 3 rounds that were damaged when my Hi-Standard semi auto jammed and damaged them so they wouldn't feed.  39 year old rimfire stuff.
11/12/2018 11:11:55 PM EDT
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Shhh, don’t tell my almost 50 year old 7n6
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^This. The three crates I am still sitting on show no inclination of turning to pumpkins anytime soon.
11/12/2018 11:18:07 PM EDT
[#24]
I have Tokarev ammo from the 50s. Shit still goes bang. Have shot much older ammo than that. An ammo company that wants to sell more ammo, wants you to buy new of course.
11/12/2018 11:19:40 PM EDT
[#25]
I saw one (and only one) batch of smokeless powder go bad in less than 10 years.
11/12/2018 11:22:03 PM EDT
[#26]
10 Years on Pluto
11/12/2018 11:22:36 PM EDT
[#27]
I’ve fired shit that sat in a conex box for years. Temps from 140 degrees to 30 degrees. Haven’t had a issue yet. Some of the 8mm was from the late 20’s .Keep it dry and try to avoid rapid temp changes and it will last a long long time.
11/12/2018 11:57:58 PM EDT
[#28]
LOL, I have ammo for my M1 Garand that was stored by the Greek army for the last 50 years and we don't know in what kind of conditions  and it shoots just fine.
11/13/2018 12:02:29 PM EDT
[#29]
CCI Lawman "clean fire" ammunition has a shelf life, due to the "lead free" primer:

https://www.speer-ammo.com/en/personal-protection-lawman
11/13/2018 12:08:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Shelf life of 10 years or so:  THIS ammo has it:



Lead-free primers have a shelf life.
11/13/2018 12:09:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Every meal is a banquet!
11/13/2018 12:11:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Back in the 70s, I shot a bunch of 1943 dated 30-06 that had been stored in a basement.

It worked.
11/13/2018 12:26:36 PM EDT
[#33]
Shelf-life primers use a non-toxic or "green" lead free priming compound like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazodinitrophenol

Ammunition made with non-toxic primers has a shelf life of about 10 years.
11/13/2018 12:28:53 PM EDT
[#34]
Lead free primers have a shelf life:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1410.6390
11/13/2018 12:35:26 PM EDT
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I've shot a ton of 303 that was made in the 1950's.
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Ditto, a few did have a slight delay though.
11/13/2018 12:44:01 PM EDT
[#36]


This ammo has a lead-free primer. It has a shelf life of about 10 years.
11/13/2018 12:55:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Common ammunition uses a LEAD STYPHNATE primer and will last longer than you will.

However, non-toxic ammunition has a shelf life of about 10 years:

11/13/2018 1:37:59 PM EDT
[#38]
After a bit of research it appears that Lead-free primers have a 10 year shelf life.
11/13/2018 1:42:50 PM EDT
[#39]
So I should dump my 25 year old non +p 9mm ammo, which has been stored in a cool clean dry area the entire time?



11/13/2018 1:49:00 PM EDT
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Yup. Obama executive order. Guy at the range told me so.
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Yup primers only have a 5 year shelf live..
Yup. Obama executive order. Guy at the range told me so.
Probably this guy:

11/13/2018 1:51:01 PM EDT
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After a bit of research it appears that Lead-free primers have a 10 year shelf life.
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Thank you I feel much better

In all seriousness, I see a very real threat of democrats banning lead.

Democrats have been desperately looking for new ways to infringe on the rights of lawful gun owners.

They've repeatedly proposed attacks on ammunition where they have failed to gain traction on banning guns.

Didn't California just impose restrictions on ammunition purchases?

Also, Washington D.C. has a law against possession of "unregistered ammunition or components."  It's not like ammo bans are unknown to democrats.

Ammo bans / limitations - disguised as "environmental" regulations - could be their next attack.

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