This.  They do not give a shit

Why confused? You telling me prosecutors and police have not tried to rely on surveillance cams as dispositive grounds for no knock authority?

cite please.

By your theory any warrant served at a place of business should be a dynamic entry...........

arrested a guy on a felony warrant involving firearms theft the other day at a buisness with lots of cameras.
only sent two regular patrol. you mean to tell me we could have drove the bearcat through the doors to get him?
shoot, missed out on some fun

Yet another sickening case of the over zealous use of raids.

I guess if they ever come for me I'm getting SWATted.........

Growing up, just about every adult Male I knew had a Military Background......

Using that matrix the only person I know who wouldn't be SWATed is my paternal grandma.

That matrix is bullshit. Is that what your department uses?
Do you ever not use swat?

Interesting thanks

What stolen items were found in the residence?

they can't hear you with their MRAP running.

 

Nobody is going to disagree with that.

This is what causes concern.

SWAT Team Raids Texas Organic Farm
A SWAT team broke through the gates of a small Arlington, Texas farm and led a massive 10-hour search of the property. The residents were handcuffed and held at gunpoint while they watched more than 10 tons of their property hauled off in trucks.

What dangerous contraband required this massive governmental response? It wasn’t illegal explosives, stolen vehicles or drugs, but rather organic blackberry bushes, okra plants, and sunflowers.

The Garden of Eden is a 3.5-acre farm that promotes a sustainable lifestyle. Back in February, Arlington started complaining about possible city code violations. Officials said that the grass was too tall, bushes were too close to the street, and chopped wood wasn’t stacked in a government-approved manner. Basically, HOA-style complaints where no homeowners’ association exists.

The farm owners said they had corrected some of the issues and challenged others, requesting meetings with the city to work out an amicable agreement. Early the morning of August 2, the government responded with the SWAT raid. Officers carried search warrants alleging that the farm might be growing marijuana, but none was found. The search warrant, signed the day before the raid, gave police the pretext to enforce the city’s “code violations” on private property.

"They came here under the guise that we were doing a drug trafficking, marijuana-growing operation," owner Shellie Smith said. "They destroyed everything." She said that officers shielded their nametags so they couldn't be identified and didn’t produce a warrant until two hours after the raid started.

City agents destroyed “7 blackberry bushes, 15 okra plants, 14 tomatillo plants, numerous native grasses and sunflowers which provided food and bedding for animals, and essential material for building projects and provided cool and shade for crops that would otherwise be dead due to the intense summer heat.”

They hauled off furniture, wooden pallets, food — even compost. They cut down a patch of sweet potatoes with a weed whacker and got rid of other “weeds” used to shade plants during the hot Texas summer.

The police arrested resident Quinn Eaker for unrelated traffic violations. "I think every single right we have was violated," he said. "Every single one."

City of Arlington spokeswoman Sana Syed said the raid was perfectly legal and appropriate. "The purpose was to improve the quality of life, to resolve safety issues within neighborhoods and to hold the property owner responsible for creating blight conditions on their property," she stated.

Smith strongly disagrees. "We want an apology," Smith said. "This will not end here."
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/joncgabriel/swat-team-raids-texas-organic-farm

I like how resisting arrest is worse that killing someone.

So in your mind were these actions justified?

What does your matrix say?



Fucking credit card theft requires kicking in peoples doors?


...and fine, assume that cameras mounted outside are reason to use a "Swat Like" team for entry into the home......is there any mention of the cameras in the warrant? Where is the proof that they knew the cameras existed prior to entry? Why destroy them AFTER the home was secured?

This fucking stinks of over zealous jack boot thugs that hide under their badges and the color of the law.

RIF

Yeah...only credit card fraud.

The US is only #2 in the world for credit card fraud, only more than 40% of credit card holding Americans have been victims of it, and it only costs consumers and business $10 billion+ every year.

It's really a pretty insignificant, minor property crime.  

Stop being so obtuse, that threat matrix MANDATES swat be activated because Uncle Joe-bob was a cook in the navy, it MANDATES that swat be activated miss Daisy has her late husbands 30-30, it MANDATES swat activated because aunt Suzy took a karate class at the YMCA. Now I am sure that the matrix is not pulled out and used for every search warrant, but that is what the matrix you posted mandates.

Ignoring perceptions and public sentiment isn't really a winning strategy.  It has not been working in regards to all the subjects you mention above. Subjects that you and I probably agree on. Is it going to work with this subject??

I don't think in any of my posts I said I was ant-SWAT and want SWAT abolished. My concern is with what appears to be a growth growth of use. Unless you assume that anyone questioning anything at all related to your profession is "anti"

I guess we are really in trouble when we American citizens can no longer question or debate  things that concern us.

By questioning and discussing I now have an "agenda" am "anti-SWAT", and  am of "dubious moral character"  talk about being  Alinski-esque.......

Should we just "roll over" and stop questioning?  


ETA: did you conveniently ignore or miss my post where I said "The PDF prepared for the DOJ is 140 pages so I did not read the whole thing but from what I did read it is pretty positive about the training and professionalism of the teams it observed and collected data on."

CC fraud?  Unless I'm missing something, someone needs to grow a pair.  ETA, I do agree with The Gray Man about thieves and the television .

that card belonged to a former cop for the same department.

 

FIFY, and that makes it ok to steal from them?

You are continuing to be obtuse, which I am not too surprised about. Your threat matrix makes no mention of infantry or weapons training only "Military/law enforcement background", yeah a 30-30 will blow through soft armor, does that mean every dear hunter with an overdue library book should expect a SWAT team? That threat matrix lacks (not so) common sense, which you ignore/fail to realize.

There are plenty of legitimate uses of swat, mandating they be called out based solely on the fact someone owns a rifle or that they served in the military is not one of them.

So an ex cop can't be the victim of a crime?

You hardly have to have a fortified crack house to make that list.  SWAT should be used for hostage situations and actual crack houses.  Someone is former .mil and they automatically get SWAT?  Time to cut off the federal money spigot.  



 

Take a deep breath. Owning firearms is only one aspect of many and not all matrix's are the same.

http://policeconduct.net/uploads/Tactical_Edge_Threat_Assessments_12-16-12.pdf

Wanna come over and see the crate of hammers that just came in?

We got them really cheap...........

It's pretty simple, the .gov gives every podunk town free gear for a SWAT team.  Then the police feel the need to justify the SWAT team so they keep getting more and more mission creep until they are knocking down doors for credit card fraud.  Part of the solution is to cut off the money spigot so bumblefuck Arkansas has to decide if they really need a SWAT team.  The second part of the solution is to pass a state law defining when a no-knock may be used, and have that debate open to the public.  Just letting the police decide themselves has become an obvious failure.  





 

I know there are various matrixes, the one thegreyman posted happens to mandate a swat team for owning a rifle, I was just pointing out the stupidity of hard and fast rules that ignore common sense.

I know they (usually) do, that doesn't change the fact that the particular matrix you posted does mandate swat activation based solely on having served your country or owning a rifle. You want to factor in owning a rifle or being in the military with the entire picture? OK. Base calling swat out solely on those things? Stupid.

Weird, we have to buy all our own gear.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/swat-team-mania-the-war-a_b_875967.html





 

Same here

Don't feel bad, I have to buy my own gear too.

By the matrix you posted, my Cowboy Shooting friend would get SWAT.........

Ex-USAF, Retired Police Officer, Lever Action Rifle..............

The 1st 2 would get him SWAT by that work sheet.................

Edit: That Matrix is Fucking stupid.

Edit: Same as above with a side of RIF.

Umm it says if a yellow highlighted one is a yes. Then use SWAT.