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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:43:21 PM EDT
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Of course, CNN says it is climate change..
Millions of acres scorched by wildfires in the Western US and Canada — an area roughly the size of South Carolina — can be traced back to carbon pollution from the world’s largest fossil fuel and cement companies, scientists reported Tuesday. The study by the Union of Concerned Scientists, published in the journal Environmental Research Letters, found that 37% of the area burned by wildfires in the West since 1986 — nearly 19.8 million acres out of 53 million — can be blamed on the planet-cooking pollution from 88 of the world’s major fossil fuel producers and cement manufacturers, the latter of which have been shown to produce around 7% of all carbon dioxide emissions. The amalgam of megadrought and record-breaking heat that’s drying out vegetation due to climate change has stoked the West’s wildfires. And researchers found that since 1901, the fossil fuel activities of these companies, including ExxonMobil and BP, among others, warmed the planet by 0.5 degrees Celsius — nearly half of the global increase during that period. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:43:26 PM EDT
[#2]
In before someone says climate change is the reason why.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:46:14 PM EDT
[#3]
It's probably due to all the friction created when they fuck their uncles.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:47:11 PM EDT
[#4]
It's because money goes to "social programs" instead of maintaining forests and fire prevention.
Give Canada a few years. Once all those leaches are forced, er i mean, humanly advised to commit assisted suicide, they will have the money to take care of it. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:48:52 PM EDT
[#5]
I won't say Climate Change, but I will say Climate Pattern Shift. Everything goes in cycles.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:49:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't remember this happening every year until 4 or 5 years ago. WTF is going on, Canada! Also seems to have been a jump in U.S> Forest fires during the same period. I used to chalk it up to poor forest management. Too much underbrush from years of no fires leading to huge fires now. I think that is a factor, but it cannot be the whole story. Educate me, please. They're blaming Climate Change™ for this one because blaming the real culprits would be...well, yaknow... 
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:51:28 PM EDT
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Women did it this time apparently.
 https://www.westernstandard.news/opinion/slobodian-female-firefighters-planned-burn-goes-awry-in-banff/article_59b0925c-ecfd-11ed-b221-f3c167e42d52.html |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:56:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:57:53 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Women did it this time apparently. https://www.westernstandard.news/opinion/slobodian-female-firefighters-planned-burn-goes-awry-in-banff/article_59b0925c-ecfd-11ed-b221-f3c167e42d52.html I will not say where, when, or who, but the last wildfire I ever fought before quitting wildland firefighting was caused by a totally incompetent female burn boss on a "controlled burn". Everyone there knew conditions were gonna deteriorate but she would NOT be told what to do by men. She said it herself. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 4:08:42 PM EDT
[#10]
Eco Terrorists.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 4:17:01 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I won't say Climate Change, but I will say Climate Pattern Shift. Everything goes in cycles. Well sure, sometimes the Earth has ice caps, and sometimes it doesn't. Causality rules whether cyclical or not. We're gaining about a zettajoule a month. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 4:35:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eco Terrorists. Yep...they've done it in WA and now in Canada. I'm sitting on the deck right now looking out at the haze across the lake, and it's pissing me off. They need to run these people down and start giving them stiff prison sentences for this idiocy. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 4:36:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryYeah. It's supposed to be a nice blue sky here today. Looks overcast and I can taste the air. I want some BBQ.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:45:30 PM EDT
[#14]
We've been socked in with smoke for 3 days.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:48:17 PM EDT
[#15]
One benefit is a gorgeous sunrise.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:52:09 PM EDT
[#16]
Damn farmers
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:52:39 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's probably due to all the friction created when they fuck their uncles. I get that reference. 
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:54:55 PM EDT
[#18]
100 years of fire exclusion
10x biomass of a healthy forest Dry year forest stress Climate-firefighting-industrial-complex incentivized to create/allow bigger events Profit |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:56:26 PM EDT
[#19]
It's Californias fault for the way the federal government does forestry on the federal property.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:57:01 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 100 years of fire exclusion 10x biomass of a healthy forest Dry year forest stress Climate-firefighting-industrial-complex incentivized to create/allow bigger events Profit Sigh. Probably truer than I would like to admit |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 6:57:50 PM EDT
[#21]
Those fires have burned every year for countless millennia before man even walked the planet.
It's highly likely they'll continue to burn for the near future. Plan accordingly. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 7:16:12 PM EDT
[#22]
FTC mentioned it a while back.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 7:39:30 PM EDT
[#23]
Where there's smoke... There's fire.
My sisters place (center) three years ago... Okanagan valley BC 
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Posted: 5/19/2023 7:42:31 PM EDT
[#24]
CONCERNED scientists.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 7:43:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One benefit is a gorgeous sunrise. Not if you can't see it through the smoke. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 7:43:24 PM EDT
[#26]
There has been lots of haze and irritated eyes/sinuses here in WI. It happens sometimes but I think this year it has been longer and more intense than other years. It's surprising that so much smoke is making it down here because Canada sucks.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 7:44:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Weird flood/droughts. You get a big growth in weeds/underbrush, which then dries out and burns like tinder.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 7:59:03 PM EDT
[#28]
'Heard in BC it's not careless the careless campers who are to blame, its...
1. Dry lightning 2. The railroad. (sparks?) 3. Arson committed by a certain demographic to generate revenue for said certain demographic. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 8:07:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: I don't remember this happening every year until 4 or 5 years ago. WTF is going on, Canada! Also seems to have been a jump in U.S> Forest fires during the same period. I used to chalk it up to poor forest management. Too much underbrush from years of no fires leading to huge fires now. I think that is a factor, but it cannot be the whole story. Educate me, please. This, I'm sick of it... |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 8:26:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Smoke is pretty bad in Boise today!
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:11:29 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigh. Probably truer than I would like to admit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 100 years of fire exclusion 10x biomass of a healthy forest Dry year forest stress Climate-firefighting-industrial-complex incentivized to create/allow bigger events Profit Sigh. Probably truer than I would like to admit Also shut down of logging and shut down of undergrowth clearing by enviros |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:48:43 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I will not say where, when, or who, but the last wildfire I ever fought before quitting wildland firefighting was caused by a totally incompetent female burn boss on a "controlled burn". Everyone there knew conditions were gonna deteriorate but she would NOT be told what to do by men. She said it herself. Was it by chance a little tiny fire in the Santa Fe national forest that burned 200 and some thousand acres? |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:52:16 AM EDT
[#33]
What if I was to tell you, your fight against climate change is actually the cause of climate change?
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:53:25 AM EDT
[#34]
Pretty smoky in the east part of my commie state.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:54:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Colorado is in a air advisory warning. Smoky as all get out, makes the sinuses hurt and eyes burn.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:57:38 AM EDT
[#36]
Made it down to Va last week, caused air alert.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:59:28 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's because money goes to "social programs" instead of maintaining forests and fire prevention. Give Canada a few years. Once all those leaches are forced, er i mean, humanly advised to commit assisted suicide, they will have the money to take care of it. Lets be real. Canada is mostly forests, and has a shit ton of wilderness/lakes. The entire country has less people than California. Like how certain parts of Alaska are remote. Guess how much of Canada is remote wilderness? How the fuck are they supposed to manage all of that lmao? Forest fires are natural, and with that much land mass it is bound to happen. It actually benefits some plants/trees and helps get rid of some invasive plant species imo. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:59:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eco Terrorists. Yep. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:02:52 AM EDT
[#39]
Super El Nino
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:03:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Colorado is in a air advisory warning. Smoky as all get out, makes the sinuses hurt and eyes burn. Smoke all day and night yesterday in SW WI |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:05:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also shut down of logging and shut down of undergrowth clearing by enviros Yep clearing brush on my 2 acres last few days...drought in the forecast...drying up around here fast... |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:05:53 AM EDT
[#42]
Wait till California kicks off, it will just add to the smoke.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:34:32 AM EDT
[#43]
Smoke in northern MN finally lifted yesterday. The previous few days were thick with it. Couple nice sunrises/sets, but on Thursday it was too thick to even see the sun. Seems to be more frequent
Have had similar from dust in the air when the winds are right and field work begins in the red river valley. Also makes for awesome sunsets |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:45:17 AM EDT
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There's a price to pay for several decades of mismanaged forest. When I was a kid they'd log, then burn the slash in the rainy season. Eliminated fuel load and made it easier to replant. Now they'll pile it up when the ground is flat enough to use the equipment, steep slopes it all just sits there.
Get off a trail or road and take a walk through the woods, stop and dig down. There's 9-12" of fuel on the ground before you get to dirt. A healthy fire will never "crown" (get into the branches of the tree and burn the whole tree), or rarely, these days they all do due to the high fuel loads. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:06:32 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In before someone says climate change is the reason why. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:08:06 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's probably due to all the friction created when they fuck their uncles.  South Park Uncle F@#cker |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:11:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets be real. Canada is mostly forests, and has a shit ton of wilderness/lakes. The entire country has less people than California. Like how certain parts of Alaska are remote. Guess how much of Canada is remote wilderness? How the fuck are they supposed to manage all of that lmao? Forest fires are natural, and with that much land mass it is bound to happen. It actually benefits some plants/trees and helps get rid of some invasive plant species imo. We know. The forest and small population in Canada is not a new thing. The smoke haze over large swaths of the U.S. is historically not a thing. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:12:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets be real. Canada is mostly forests, and has a shit ton of wilderness/lakes. The entire country has less people than California. Like how certain parts of Alaska are remote. Guess how much of Canada is remote wilderness? How the fuck are they supposed to manage all of that lmao? Forest fires are natural, and with that much land mass it is bound to happen. It actually benefits some plants/trees and helps get rid of some invasive plant species imo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's because money goes to "social programs" instead of maintaining forests and fire prevention. Give Canada a few years. Once all those leaches are forced, er i mean, humanly advised to commit assisted suicide, they will have the money to take care of it. Lets be real. Canada is mostly forests, and has a shit ton of wilderness/lakes. The entire country has less people than California. Like how certain parts of Alaska are remote. Guess how much of Canada is remote wilderness? How the fuck are they supposed to manage all of that lmao? Forest fires are natural, and with that much land mass it is bound to happen. It actually benefits some plants/trees and helps get rid of some invasive plant species imo. It depends on if, like the US, they suppressed forest fires for the last 100 years. See post upthread |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:15:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait till California kicks off, it will just add to the smoke. They’re still digging out of the massive snowpack this year. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:17:57 AM EDT
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Pine beetles are killing the trees in the West.
When I camped in Canada several years ago, the provincial parks were providing free camp wood for the sites. They wanted campers to burn all the dead pine they were taking down. Beetles are ravaging the pines there and you could see many dead trees everywhere. Add a touch of climate change, and you're off to the races. |
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