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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:23:42 PM EDT
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Seems like a step in the right direction to me.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:24:01 PM EDT
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-This thread has been 100% ABSOLUTELY NOT IN ANY WAY been brought to you by Brownells. *in fact, it’s so not brought to you by Brownells we need to remind you of that any time the subject of moderation is brought up in GD, and preemptively AT THE VERY TOP of these updated rules that are implemented after their recent acquisition. lol |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:24:14 PM EDT
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So let's assume this is at Brownell's bidding. They bought the site, ostensibly to make money, right? Driving traffic/members away due to idiotic changes is going to benefit them how exactly? Just chill and give it a chance before coming to the most dire of possible conclusions.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only if you ignore history of such attempts on other sites. But hey if it drive ar15.com further down the rankings because of lost traffic no skin off anyone buttocks right? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:24:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:25:03 PM EDT
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Most of the loudest whiners define trolling as being insufficiently pro-Trump. Fact. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as long as "trolling" can be defined, I am good with it. Fact. There are a whole lot of people here that automatically equate voicing a difference in opinion to trolling. That's not specific to Trump, but that's obviously been the biggest subject the last 3 years. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:25:06 PM EDT
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So every single member of Site Staff is just lying to everyone? Can you come up with any explanation for WHY in the world we would do that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone who thinks that this happened after goatboys meeting with our new corporate overlords and this has nothing to do with new ownership has their head in the sand. Once anything corporate happens and their legal teams and insurance starts digging changes will come. The fact that the first sentence in the announcement states that this has nothing to do with Brownells is just projecting.
So every single member of Site Staff is just lying to everyone? Can you come up with any explanation for WHY in the world we would do that? Personally, I don't really care as I'm just a freeloader again, but you asked the question. Don't Gunwritr me, bro. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:25:42 PM EDT
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That seems like it's much easier said than done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're not here to be an asshole, this isn't going to have a massive impact. Defining and restricting trolling is probably going to be the most significant thing but it won't be some kind of board-crushing bloodbath. Follow the rules and understand that the days of members intentionally shitting up the place for their own entertainment are drawing to a close. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:25:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:26:11 PM EDT
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I'm sure I'll be banned...again.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:26:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: So gun guys and people with real world experience will continue to be banned for being rough around the edges while leftists and general internet weirdos that can follow the letter of the law while inciting responses will continue to be coddled? I hope someone important reads this. Let's assume for a minute that we do what you're hinting at: Let the people who violate the CoC stay on while we kick off those that don't. Do you think it would lead to more confidence about our leadership among the general membership? Or do you think it might cause some serious problems when you never know if you can be banned for whatever reason? What about the people who get to stay even though they keep breaking the rules? Will they be better citizens of this board? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:26:29 PM EDT
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God as my witness Brownells has nothing to do with this. Silently implied. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:26:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:26:53 PM EDT
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Honestly. Black Ops filtered out A LOT of retards and tinfoilers. It’s time to Black Ops this bitch again. Every fucking thing is a conspiracy now. Shooting at a garlic festival, “which democrat is in trouble...” “False flag!!!!!” REEEEEEEEEEEEE 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:26:56 PM EDT
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Never seen this many mods in one thread before.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:27:24 PM EDT
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In the new definition of trolling, we should just link to this post.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I, for one, welcome our new CoC overlords... For every warning I give I get $3.00 on a Brownells gift card. For every person I help ban I get $5.00 on a Brownells gift card. I have already made $24.00 today.  " so I am good to go.
Besides, I have a permit... 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:27:32 PM EDT
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I just hope fun style troll threads are still allowed.
I need boss coolers and such when I come to GD |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:27:37 PM EDT
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Not my quote but I agree with it and have seen lived through it in many online discussion forums that I either don't frequent anymore or they don't exist anymore. "There is a general phenomenon I've noticed on the internet. Any forum with free speech and little to no moderation becomes right wing. Leftist ideas cannot exist without censorship and moderation." GD has become pretty soft compared to years ago. Deal with real trolls? fine, Deal with threats or Arocking?, Fine. Worrying about everyone's feels? Yeah that is going to be tough to accomplish. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:27:58 PM EDT
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The only thing I ever got from a Mod was a warning that my avatar was borderline nudity. They asked me to change it and I did. End of story.
I dont post things I wouldnt say to someone's face. Politicians are a different matter, they work me the " Tax Payer" not the other way around. I dont take shit from anyone that will not be getting it back and then some. I'll do it in way that makes them feel insignificant. More rules, fine, get the fucking scumbag pieces of shit trolls the fuck out of here. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:28:02 PM EDT
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I should have banned you when I had the chance.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the new definition of trolling, we should just link to this post. 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:28:11 PM EDT
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Whatever happened to the idea of aimless showing up at your front door and kicking you in the balls for COC violations? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:28:35 PM EDT
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Whatever happened to the idea of aimless showing up at your front door and kicking you in the balls for COC violations? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:28:36 PM EDT
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God as my witness Brownells has nothing to do with this. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:29:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:30:48 PM EDT
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Meh. I don't see anything drastically different than the current CoC.
So onto the real important stuff: When's dat new EE going live, @Goatboy? 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:31:17 PM EDT
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Life is just a bowl of cherries, no?
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:31:29 PM EDT
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I put a " " so I am good to go.
Besides, I have a permit... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175289/permit-796501.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I, for one, welcome our new CoC overlords... For every warning I give I get $3.00 on a Brownells gift card. For every person I help ban I get $5.00 on a Brownells gift card. I have already made $24.00 today. " so I am good to go.
Besides, I have a permit... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175289/permit-796501.gif |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:31:29 PM EDT
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No one who owns a site intends to screw it up, they just attempt to control unfortunate aspects of the site until they choke the joy or usefulness out of it, then wonder what the heck happened. It's real simple: This change will either work or it won't. If it won't, then membership will go down and I expect a reversal of the new rules. 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:31:47 PM EDT
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That's not the verbiage I would have chosen, but there's truth to it. There are a whole lot of people here that automatically equate voicing a difference in opinion to trolling. That's not specific to Trump, but that's obviously been the biggest subject the last 3 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as long as "trolling" can be defined, I am good with it. Fact. There are a whole lot of people here that automatically equate voicing a difference in opinion to trolling. That's not specific to Trump, but that's obviously been the biggest subject the last 3 years. In the run up to the 2016, a lot of questionable shit was a permitted in our collective desire to beat Clinton by any means necessary. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:32:03 PM EDT
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So every single member of Site Staff is just lying to everyone? Can you come up with any explanation for WHY in the world we would do that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone who thinks that this happened after goatboys meeting with our new corporate overlords and this has nothing to do with new ownership has their head in the sand. Once anything corporate happens and their legal teams and insurance starts digging changes will come. The fact that the first sentence in the announcement states that this has nothing to do with Brownells is just projecting.
So every single member of Site Staff is just lying to everyone? Can you come up with any explanation for WHY in the world we would do that? 
jkplsnoban 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:32:13 PM EDT
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Moderating a forum is no easy task, especially with a large group of moderators. Trying to maintain consistency is very complicated, especially over a long period of time, it looks like they're trying to address this. CHOOSING moderators is one of the hardest tasks, I'm fortunate that the forum I moderate has fairly low usage these days because we haven't been able to identify anyone we would trust as an additional moderator, and there are only three of us (plus paid employees of the hosting company, but they focus primarily on technical issues and may approve posts), and all of us have day jobs. I've said it here repeatedly - it's amazing how childish chronological adults can be online, and how much rules-lawyering you can encounter when you try to enforce basic standards. The forum I'm a moderator for has a "no-hitting" rule - you can attack the argument, but not the poster. Yet people can't resist personal attacks. I understand getting frustrated with other users, since some people are unpersuasible. If that happens, just post "OK, we're just going in circles, I'm through discussing this with you" and follow through. Don't start making personal attacks, because then the other person perceives they've won by causing you to lose control (such as a user who admitted deliberately enticing such reactions to get users banned and was banned for a while and is still restricted from GD to my understanding). Of course, I got mildly reprimanded by my boss at work for sending "I'm done with this. Escalate with the support team if you need more assistance." after a user kept insisting there was a system issue when I had shown the documentation saying that the error he was getting was normal (fsck on a live filesystem, for the UNIX folks). The support team basically had to show him the same results on several different live production systems before the user finally admitted it wasn't a problem. Being a moderator can suck ALL of the fun out of going to a forum, because you know you're going to log in and have X number of "attention required" messages stacked up to deal with, and it sucks having to punish someone you consider a friend. Moderating a website that is owned by a company with huge online sales is very difficult. You have to make sure NO customers are offended. Thudds and all. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:32:47 PM EDT
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I read it and it has a very simple reply: Gun guys with real world experience who are rough around the edges won't be banned if they stay within the CoC. THEY are responsible for their actions, something I used to have to tell my little kids - but not something I expected to have to tell adults over and over again. If said leftists/weirdos stay within the CoC, then they won't be banned. It has nothing to do with coddling. Let's assume for a minute that we do what you're hinting at: Let the people who violate the CoC stay on while we kick off those that don't. Do you think it would lead to more confidence about our leadership among the general membership? Or do you think it might cause some serious problems when you never know if you can be banned for whatever reason? What about the people who get to stay even though they keep breaking the rules? Will they be better citizens of this board? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: So gun guys and people with real world experience will continue to be banned for being rough around the edges while leftists and general internet weirdos that can follow the letter of the law while inciting responses will continue to be coddled? I hope someone important reads this. Let's assume for a minute that we do what you're hinting at: Let the people who violate the CoC stay on while we kick off those that don't. Do you think it would lead to more confidence about our leadership among the general membership? Or do you think it might cause some serious problems when you never know if you can be banned for whatever reason? What about the people who get to stay even though they keep breaking the rules? Will they be better citizens of this board? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:32:53 PM EDT
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A 2 ft tall penguin just isn't that intimidating Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever happened to the idea of aimless showing up at your front door and kicking you in the balls for COC violations?
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:32:57 PM EDT
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Never seen this many mods in one thread before. It was a cockapocalypse thread. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:34:00 PM EDT
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When was that? When I was raiding your fridge? 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:35:05 PM EDT
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Sir, you’re free to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I, for one, welcome our new CoC overlords... For every warning I give I get $3.00 on a Brownells gift card. For every person I help ban I get $5.00 on a Brownells gift card. I have already made $24.00 today. " so I am good to go.
Besides, I have a permit... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175289/permit-796501.gif Cheerio! |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:35:05 PM EDT
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You didn't let me drive your Porsche. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When was that? When I was raiding your fridge? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:35:47 PM EDT
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I don't think you're going to get your preference. A formalized process and having mods take action against shit-stirrers would be an improvement over the current, somewhat ad-hoc moderation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a difference between fun and being retarded children that GD acts like so often. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:35:48 PM EDT
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-This thread has been 100% ABSOLUTELY NOT IN ANY WAY been brought to you by Brownells. *in fact, it’s so not brought to you by Brownells we need to remind you of that any time the subject of moderation is brought up in GD, and preemptively AT THE VERY TOP of these updated rules that are implemented after their recent acquisition. lol I can’t wait to hear it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:36:00 PM EDT
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That's been the case since Arfcom first opened its doors. I am on the alternate site here at work so I can't see your join date. Do you remember back in the mid-2000's when GD was vastly revamped with stricter rules and everything? It caused a lot of issues as some very popular members who couldn't abide by the new rules got booted. There was an outcry by some that we're changing the core of what Arfcom is, that it would drive membership away, etc. Well, that didn't happen. The site has grown, and for every person that is vociferous about not liking the changes there are probably scores of other members who don't usually post who support the changes. It's real simple: This change will either work or it won't. If it won't, then membership will go down and I expect a reversal of the new rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one who owns a site intends to screw it up, they just attempt to control unfortunate aspects of the site until they choke the joy or usefulness out of it, then wonder what the heck happened. It's real simple: This change will either work or it won't. If it won't, then membership will go down and I expect a reversal of the new rules. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This coc change is probably necessitated by the coming election. In the run up to the 2016, a lot of questionable shit was a permitted in our collective desire to beat Clinton by any means necessary. 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:36:51 PM EDT
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I just hope fun style troll threads are still allowed. I need boss coolers and such when I come to GD It’s still very rough, but I made some progress on the prototype today. These are scraps/supplies. Don’t want to show the cooler still because someone may copy it  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:37:02 PM EDT
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Finally.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:37:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:37:41 PM EDT
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If quality members are consistently breaking the same rules, then remove those rules. From everyone. The most disruptive people on the site already follow the rules, to the letter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If quality members are consistently breaking the same rules, then remove those rules. From everyone. The most disruptive people on the site already follow the rules, to the letter. The CoC isn't hard to live by. A "quality" member does not make personal attacks or act in an egregious way. That is the very antithesis of "quality". |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:38:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I asked the other genius, please provide your amazing logic for WHY Site Staff would all want to lie to everyone about this. I can’t wait to hear it. 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:38:58 PM EDT
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The site needs to be friendly for all users. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:39:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I asked the other genius, please provide your amazing logic for WHY Site Staff would all want to lie to everyone about this. I can’t wait to hear it. 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:40:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was lurking while living in NOVA in the late 1990s and actively posting for over a decade. Yes the rule changes have impacted the site already and more rules and mods are not going to improve it in a way most of us would like.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:40:43 PM EDT
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I offered!
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