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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:02:15 PM EDT
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I'm putting together a car kit for each of my vehicles, and happened to see a tweet go by this morning that mentioned Narcan was available OTC. I was of the understanding that it was hundreds of dollars, but a little research showed that while the nasal spray is ~$150, naloxone can be had in syringe form for $20.99. I don't think it's likely that I'd need it, but at the same time I recognize that it's possible that a kid could come in contact with fentanyl or carfentanil these days, and my understanding is that a lethal dose of those can be absorbed through the skin fairly easily. For $20, it seems like a reasonable precaution. I have more research on it to do before I'll feel confident in my understanding, but from what I'm reading now it could at least give you time to get someone to the hospital. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:03:50 PM EDT
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Nah, I'm not too worried about saving pillheads, needle brains, etc. and I'm not medically trained to administer anything to someone who might be a legitimate accidental overdose.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:03:57 PM EDT
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No way I am injecting anyone with anything
Edit* if unconscious * |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:03:58 PM EDT
[#4]
I would say it's a good choice to have. Even in the event of cross-contamination.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:04:40 PM EDT
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I don’t save drug addicts. And if your kid comes into contact it your not being a stand up parent.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:04:57 PM EDT
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so your planning to stick some random kid with a syringe and drive off with them?
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:05:43 PM EDT
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If you are getting it to use on yourself or a loved one in case of accidental contact then good on you. Dont get it to use on some rando.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:06:12 PM EDT
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Storing it in a nice hot car(gets to 100+ degrees 3-4 months out of the year here) sounds like a great way to significantly reduce it's storage life.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:07:29 PM EDT
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Mine is in my desk where it stays unless I am flying evidence that might be fentanyl, then I carry it. Problem is it's very temperature sensitive (86 degrees for the top end of the excursion allowance) and since I live in Phoenix it would go bad in a day in my car.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:07:48 PM EDT
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No and I don't carry meds for other random people who are unresponsive of unknown origin.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:08:19 PM EDT
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Storing it in a nice hot car(gets to 100+ degrees 3-4 months out of the year here) sounds like a great way to significantly reduce it's storage life. Naloxone Info |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:09:29 PM EDT
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Whose kid? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm putting together a car kit for each of my vehicles, and happened to see a tweet go by this morning that mentioned Narcan was available OTC. I was of the understanding that it was hundreds of dollars, but a little research showed that while the nasal spray is ~$150, naloxone can be had in syringe form for $20.99. I don't think it's likely that I'd need it, but at the same time I recognize that it's possible that a kid could come in contact with fentanyl or carfentanil these days, and my understanding is that a lethal dose of those can be absorbed through the skin fairly easily. For $20, it seems like a reasonable precaution. I have more research on it to do before I'll feel confident in my understanding, but from what I'm reading now it could at least give you time to get someone to the hospital. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:10:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:10:49 PM EDT
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I keep a 9mm for this purpose.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:11:05 PM EDT
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Nah, I'm not too worried about saving pillheads, needle brains, etc. and I'm not medically trained to administer anything to someone who might be a legitimate accidental overdose. As for liability, Arkansas has a good samaritan law. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:11:21 PM EDT
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I’m a doctor, and I wouldn’t put it in my kit. You will for sure 100% get sued by the junkie or obese boomer. If you haven’t seen how someone reacts to it, imagine all sensation of pain inhibited, and then almost instantly that being removed, including the natural endorphins. Immediate 10/10 pain. At least in the few I’ve seen. They will sue you for saving their life. I’d be very cautious in the care I give from my car kit. Many things are best done in an ambulance or hospital.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:12:11 PM EDT
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If you are getting it to use on yourself or a loved one in case of accidental contact then good on you. Dont get it to use on some rando. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:13:21 PM EDT
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Whose kid? Not saying it's terribly likely. Also, anyone who wears patches and forgot to take them off. My mother wound up with three fentanyl patches on her at once that way... was kind of bad. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:13:47 PM EDT
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I mean, I'm mostly worried about my kids - but if it's actually a kid we're talking about, does it matter? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm putting together a car kit for each of my vehicles, and happened to see a tweet go by this morning that mentioned Narcan was available OTC. I was of the understanding that it was hundreds of dollars, but a little research showed that while the nasal spray is ~$150, naloxone can be had in syringe form for $20.99. I don't think it's likely that I'd need it, but at the same time I recognize that it's possible that a kid could come in contact with fentanyl or carfentanil these days, and my understanding is that a lethal dose of those can be absorbed through the skin fairly easily. For $20, it seems like a reasonable precaution. I have more research on it to do before I'll feel confident in my understanding, but from what I'm reading now it could at least give you time to get someone to the hospital. Someone else's kid? Have you even had that happen? I haven't. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:14:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Nope.
I’m not licensed to treat anyone. Technically I’m still licensed, but it’s inactive. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:16:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Cops in my area have OD'ed responding to drug houses just due to powder being disturbed from surfaces into the air.
Kharn |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:16:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I carry a pistol every day to protect myself and my loved ones - nevertheless, I consider that I might one day use it to protect a rando. You already said that you won't give it to an obvious OD. I have never treated a kid who accidentally came into contact with these drugs and needed Narcan. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:17:45 PM EDT
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I don't save drug addicts. And if your kid comes into contact it your not being a stand up parent. 
I don't even have kids, yet I see the utter fucking stupidity of this statement. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:17:51 PM EDT
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I think OP has an excellent idea protecting his family from the dangers we are surrounded by more and more.
I know on the metro near me they are handing out needles. We sometimes have to travel into questionable areas, getting grabbed by some idiot wanting a smoke or money and they are cross contaminating, the Narcan sounds smart. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:17:58 PM EDT
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It's free here. Our state college in town has a program that will give you the nasal version, 2 doses, 8 milligrams total with 2 sets. All you have to do is say you have a friend who does heroin and you are worried for their safety. You don't even have to be a student.
I'm FD and EMT. They give out a lot. Edit to 8 milligrams. Autocorrect got me on my phone |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:19:02 PM EDT
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How are you going to know they need a Narcan shot?
Then you have climate control to deal with. For $30 if you want it, go for it but not sure I'd rush in and stick someones kid with a syringe and not be a first responder. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:19:24 PM EDT
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I am not a medic.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:19:55 PM EDT
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I don't want to cross any lines - but how are your kids going to OD on narcotics? If you think that is even a remote possibility - you should spend all of your creative thinking focusing on that actual problem - not some imagined dramatic solution where you happen to magically arrive in the nick of time to save the day with a hypo. Someone else's kid? Have you even had that happen? I haven't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm putting together a car kit for each of my vehicles, and happened to see a tweet go by this morning that mentioned Narcan was available OTC. I was of the understanding that it was hundreds of dollars, but a little research showed that while the nasal spray is ~$150, naloxone can be had in syringe form for $20.99. I don't think it's likely that I'd need it, but at the same time I recognize that it's possible that a kid could come in contact with fentanyl or carfentanil these days, and my understanding is that a lethal dose of those can be absorbed through the skin fairly easily. For $20, it seems like a reasonable precaution. I have more research on it to do before I'll feel confident in my understanding, but from what I'm reading now it could at least give you time to get someone to the hospital. Someone else's kid? Have you even had that happen? I haven't. That said, incidental contact has happened. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:22:53 PM EDT
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How do you decide who to give the Narcan too? You already said that you won't give it to an obvious OD. I have never treated a kid who accidentally came into contact with these drugs and needed Narcan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I carry a pistol every day to protect myself and my loved ones - nevertheless, I consider that I might one day use it to protect a rando. You already said that you won't give it to an obvious OD. I have never treated a kid who accidentally came into contact with these drugs and needed Narcan. Just like with deadly force, deciding when to use it would be pretty simple when you get down to it - you use it when you have no other choice and reasonably believe that failing to do so would result in death or serious injury. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:23:27 PM EDT
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A lot of times one shot won't do the trick.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:23:38 PM EDT
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I know a guy - Gunny in the Corps (0311/31), who spent some time dealing with poppy growing hadjis. Lost some dudes overseas, to the heroin trade.
He a firefighter/emt now & says he think about the Marines he lost - every time he administers Narcan. Saving, the people who funded his brothers deaths. 
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:23:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Honestly I think you'd be better off making sure you have benadryl in your kit.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:24:55 PM EDT
[#33]
I don't carry stuff for other people.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:25:17 PM EDT
[#34]
If I felt the need to add Narcan to my first aid kit, I'd move.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:25:56 PM EDT
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EMS here... dont bother with stuff you dont know how to use imo. Narcam cannot hurt anyone. There are no contra-negatives or anything like that, but really, dont mess with shit out of your league. A lot more goes into it than just mixing, spraying, shaking hands and walking away. I know thats not what you're saying OP, but the point is... well you either get the point or you dont.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:27:11 PM EDT
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I don't support Police carrying Narcan.
I don't hang out with junkies. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:27:54 PM EDT
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As a medical professional: lol
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:28:18 PM EDT
[#38]
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I'm putting together a car kit for each of my vehicles, and happened to see a tweet go by this morning that mentioned Narcan was available OTC. I was of the understanding that it was hundreds of dollars, but a little research showed that while the nasal spray is ~$150, naloxone can be had in syringe form for $20.99. I don't think it's likely that I'd need it, but at the same time I recognize that it's possible that a kid could come in contact with fentanyl or carfentanil these days, and my understanding is that a lethal dose of those can be absorbed through the skin fairly easily. For $20, it seems like a reasonable precaution. I have more research on it to do before I'll feel confident in my understanding, but from what I'm reading now it could at least give you time to get someone to the hospital. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:28:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I said, I still have more research to do, but my understand at the moment is that there are no serious side effects if the person doesn't have an opiate in their system. Just like with deadly force, deciding when to use it would be pretty simple when you get down to it - you use it when you have no other choice and reasonably believe that failing to do so would result in death or serious injury. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:28:55 PM EDT
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No way I am injecting anyone with anything Edit* if unconscious * |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:29:52 PM EDT
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Fuck an addict, let em sleep.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:30:02 PM EDT
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EMS here... dont bother with stuff you dont know how to use imo. Narcam cannot hurt anyone. There are no contra-negatives or anything like that, but really, dont mess with shit out of your league. A lot more goes into it than just mixing, spraying, shaking hands and walking away. I know thats not what you're saying OP, but the point is... well you either get the point or you dont. I'm no EMT. I'm working on getting some first responder training in the near future, but I have no interest in doing it on a regular basis. That said, I grew up on a farm and have given countless intramuscular injections. As for "out of my league" - like I said before, I haven't done all of my research yet. When I get interested in something I tend to spend a lot of time learning everything there is to know about the subject. I'm certainly not talking about throwing a syringe in the car and hoping for the best. I was mostly curious if anyone else carried it, and for practical considerations like the fact that it's fairly heat-sensitive. I hadn't considered that before posting. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:30:19 PM EDT
[#43]
OP will get sued.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:31:06 PM EDT
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i do but only because it was issued to me through the FD and i have a crash kit in my POV. for me it's for use on first responders or bystanders on an exposure. i will wait till ems arrives and let them administer
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:31:34 PM EDT
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Fuck no |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:31:44 PM EDT
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it's a nasal spray Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No way I am injecting anyone with anything Edit* if unconscious * At the old place I work a kid dumped four narcan spray injectors on my desk one day and told me if he started acting weird and passed out it was time to use these. Needless to say he didn't work there much longer. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:31:57 PM EDT
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it's a nasal spray Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No way I am injecting anyone with anything Edit* if unconscious * |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just went through training on it at work. Still not doing it. At the old place I work a kid dumped four narcan spray injectors on my desk one day and told me if he started acting weird and passed out it was time to use these. Needless to say he didn't work there much longer.
For fucks sake |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:33:39 PM EDT
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How would you know that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm putting together a car kit for each of my vehicles, and happened to see a tweet go by this morning that mentioned Narcan was available OTC. I was of the understanding that it was hundreds of dollars, but a little research showed that while the nasal spray is ~$150, naloxone can be had in syringe form for $20.99. I don't think it's likely that I'd need it, but at the same time I recognize that it's possible that a kid could come in contact with fentanyl or carfentanil these days, and my understanding is that a lethal dose of those can be absorbed through the skin fairly easily. For $20, it seems like a reasonable precaution. I have more research on it to do before I'll feel confident in my understanding, but from what I'm reading now it could at least give you time to get someone to the hospital. Again, I'm not positioning myself as an expert here. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:35:14 PM EDT
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I’m a paramedic. My answer is fuck no. Ever seen a person after you give narcan? It’s not pretty. They often become combative and vomit. That’s not a can of worms I want to open without my truck full of tools.
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