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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:47:42 PM EDT
[#1]
good way to get sued for everything you own.
no good deed and all that |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:48:29 PM EDT
[#2]
i'm not lifting a finger to help a junkie and damn sure not going to touch them....NOT MY PROBLEM
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:50:02 PM EDT
[#3]
LOL!
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:53:13 PM EDT
[#4]
I'm not saving any druggie.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:53:32 PM EDT
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good way to get sued for everything you own. no good deed and all that |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:56:48 PM EDT
[#6]
Yes.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:03:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Nah, I wouldn't want to harsh their buzz man.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:08:22 PM EDT
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He brought you his OD shit to work 
For fucks sake Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Just went through training on it at work. Still not doing it. At the old place I work a kid dumped four narcan spray injectors on my desk one day and told me if he started acting weird and passed out it was time to use these. Needless to say he didn't work there much longer.
For fucks sake The kid who just dumped the narcan on me...his dad was a cop. When the kid stole his dad's money and pawned a quad to keep the habit going the cop dad came down to the plant in uniform demanding his son's paycheck which we could not provide. What a mess. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:21:55 PM EDT
[#9]
fuck that. my kid doesnt do drugs. let darwin do his work
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:22:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now, I grant you that there is enough wiggle room to challenge it, especially in this hypothetical case, but the law clearly states that it applies to non-EMS and that it is a shield against civil actions. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:25:01 PM EDT
[#11]
No way. Too bad.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:28:10 PM EDT
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No way I am injecting anyone with anything Edit* if unconscious * |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:29:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a nasal spray and has no contraindications. That said it has a somewhat short shelf life and I don't care about junkies. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:30:42 PM EDT
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I’m a doctor, and I wouldn’t put it in my kit. You will for sure 100% get sued by the junkie or obese boomer. If you haven’t seen how someone reacts to it, imagine all sensation of pain inhibited, and then almost instantly that being removed, including the natural endorphins. Immediate 10/10 pain. At least in the few I’ve seen. They will sue you for saving their life. I’d be very cautious in the care I give from my car kit. Many things are best done in an ambulance or hospital. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:32:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't even narcan them as long as they are maintaining sufficient breathing. Easy to deal with a passed out junky than a wide awake and angry junky who is pissed that you just took away their $10 high. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:34:41 PM EDT
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My car kit includes wrenches and a tire plug kit. I drive around the junkies
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:35:51 PM EDT
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The nasal spray is much more expensive. If I'm able to find somewhere that gives it away I'd probably prefer it, but I wouldn't buy it.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:38:06 PM EDT
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I'm a nurse.
Fuck no, and I'd throw it away if you gave it to me for free. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:43:05 PM EDT
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Nah, I'm not too worried about saving pillheads, needle brains, etc. and I'm not medically trained to administer anything to someone who might be a legitimate accidental overdose. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:43:51 PM EDT
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Lol. Let them die
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:47:01 PM EDT
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I wouldn't carry Narcan even if it was free. Even if it was required by law. If someone wants to overdose and kill themselves, I'm not going to stop them. Stupid behavior has consequences. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:47:26 PM EDT
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OP, no AED yet? We had a local whacker who scanner jumped calls and would show up with an EKG and old school paddle style defibrillator among other random shit he had in the back of his broken down old Suburban. He was not a paramedic and had no medical training other than Google and YouTube. Had to have LE escort him off scenes on several occasions. I heard he was booted off a local volunteer fire department years earlier and that's when he turned into a freelancing Rescue Ranger. Dude was seriously touched in the head mid 40s, unemployed, lived with his parents and so on. Last time he showed up on one of our calls I made it clear to him that the next time I saw him on a scene I would see to it that he was arrested. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:49:46 PM EDT
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We don't either, as long as respirations are of sufficient quality to maintain sufficient o2 saturation, as you said. 
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:52:40 PM EDT
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Hey OP.
Has 4 pages of people who do this for a living telling you what a bad idea it is changed your mind? 
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:53:15 PM EDT
[#25]
Lol. Fuck no.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:55:08 PM EDT
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I don't even have kids, yet I see the utter fucking stupidity of this statement. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:56:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ER nurses will do it when they get to the unit because they are all mentally unstable and evil people who think it's funny. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:58:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because youre injecting people with a drug and untrained |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:59:33 PM EDT
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Neither a troll nor dense - just stubborn and distrustful :) Honestly I admire that you want to be prepared to help people. A good step would be to take the Red Cross CPR and 1st Aid for Professional rescuer class ( or equivalent from wherever) It cost less than a hundred bucks and takes only a Saturday. You really shouldn't be carrying anything you arent trained to use. This would be a good opportunity to learn about good Samaritan laws. Do your own reading but generally they cover you Acting in good faith, without negligence, within your level of training good Samaritan law Without so much as a current CPR cert you have no business injecting someone with anything. You certainly have no business diagnosing a medical emergency and choosing medication to prescribe, Especially when your first aid bag has only one medication to choose from. As a trained EMT,when I am off the clock (unless it is someone I know enough to trust to not sue me) my bystander intervention consist of 1. Determining if it safe for me, making sure my family is safe 2. Calling 911 3. Managing ABC's with minimal contact, for example telling them "take your hand and apply pressure to the cut on your leg" 4. Wait for the guys getting paid and insured to show up in the bus full of goodies to fix the problem There are much better ways to help those in need of medical care than running around trying to save junkies You seem to mean well but Stay in your lane |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:00:53 PM EDT
[#30]
I give narcan for a living. Like a LOT of narcan. If you feel the need to carry and administer narcan, just sign up for paramdic school or better yet, get hired on a big city fire dept. You'll get plenty of experience there and won't have to ask random strangers on the internet if you should carry it in your car. Glockperfection35 does not carry narcan off duty. Be a good citizen and just call 911 if you suspect an overdose.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:02:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Nah..... they'll sleep it off.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:04:29 PM EDT
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Nah..... they'll sleep it off. 
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:05:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nasal Sprays are a gradual effect. I have never had a ODer come back from a nasal and go bonkers. The medics with the IVs? They go from practically dead to raging assholes in less than 5 seconds. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:07:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now, I grant you that there is enough wiggle room to challenge it, especially in this hypothetical case, but the law clearly states that it applies to non-EMS and that it is a shield against civil actions. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:10:13 PM EDT
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I would not save heroin users.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:10:51 PM EDT
[#36]
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That is why I usually only give it as a nasal....enough shitbags who get pissed you learn that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nasal Sprays are a gradual effect. I have never had a ODer come back from a nasal and go bonkers. The medics with the IVs? They go from practically dead to raging assholes in less than 5 seconds. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:11:39 PM EDT
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I don’t save drug addicts. And if your kid comes into contact it your not being a stand up parent. Sorry our parenting skills are not up to your standards. Saying any more will get me banned. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:17:11 PM EDT
[#38]
LOL @ all the mouth breathing responses in this thread. Even cops have OD'ed by accidentally being exposed.
http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-police-officer-nearly-killed-by-fentanyl-helps-with-cpd-training |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:18:39 PM EDT
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LOL @ all the mouth breathing responses in this thread. Even cops have OD'ed by accidentally being exposed. http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-police-officer-nearly-killed-by-fentanyl-helps-with-cpd-training |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:20:46 PM EDT
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They have an expectation of exposure to it.....joe blow or his kids probably not. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:23:17 PM EDT
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LOL @ all the mouth breathing responses in this thread. Even cops have OD'ed by accidentally being exposed. http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-police-officer-nearly-killed-by-fentanyl-helps-with-cpd-training |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:23:51 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I posted to see if anything comes up that I hadn't considered. It did, and the thread has served its purpose. Now I'm just hanging around instead of doing real work :) Let me offer for your consideration: if you're going to spend money on equipment and medicine that will be used to help strangers having emergencies, spend it on something you're more likely to actually use. The only drugs in my car kit (for strangers) are baby aspirin and a few cans of orange pop. Governments can piss money up against the wall in the name of good intentions. When it's me spending my money, even on helping other people, I want it to be used effectively. I think, in your position, narcan is just wasted resources that would do more good used in other ways. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:23:53 PM EDT
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I'm putting together a car kit for each of my vehicles, and happened to see a tweet go by this morning that mentioned Narcan was available OTC. I was of the understanding that it was hundreds of dollars, but a little research showed that while the nasal spray is ~$150, naloxone can be had in syringe form for $20.99. I don't think it's likely that I'd need it, but at the same time I recognize that it's possible that a kid could come in contact with fentanyl or carfentanil these days, and my understanding is that a lethal dose of those can be absorbed through the skin fairly easily. For $20, it seems like a reasonable precaution. I have more research on it to do before I'll feel confident in my understanding, but from what I'm reading now it could at least give you time to get someone to the hospital. Better half is basically the same scenario. Funny thing, when I first got mine, I had just tossed it on the back seat of my car till I got it put my e-bag. I got pulled over later that night for a tail light being out. Cop walks up asks for my info, etc.. he shines his light in my car and immediately starts asking about drugs in the car, etc. He then asks about the Naloxone it in my back seat and I started laughing and explained to him how I got it. He chuckled and went back to his car, checked me out then let me go w/ a verbal to fix the tail light. It's in my emergency bag now where it's a little more concealed. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:24:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And, as previously stated, if your employment puts you in contact PPE is a much better route |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:38:23 PM EDT
[#45]
Nope. As already noted, several times, and I know how to use it, it ain't happening. Be aware that waking up an unconscious person, even if they aren't breathing, usually just pisses them off to the point of uncontrollable violence.
Having access to it, doesn't mean it should be used by lay people. Same goes for a lot of other things I see folks claiming to have in first aid kits on forums. Remember, everything you do has consequences. Training is the best tool in the box. I don't mean Yeagers School of Yardbird Combat Assault Medicine, either. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:39:13 PM EDT
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Totally agree, but this thread is about the lay-person being exposed in their everyday life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And, as previously stated, if your employment puts you in contact PPE is a much better route FTR I'm not going to carry this stuff and I'm damn sure not giving anyone an injection. "Sergeant I'm checking the pocket" was the last time that was even a consideration for me. However dog piling someone who wants to be prepared to do good shouldn't surprise me in GD I guess. 
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had three sons in the military at one time. The youngest went 82nd Airborne and served a stint in Afghanistan in 2005. Part of 1bat 325 regiment. Got two massive concussions there from RPGs. Got a third in a training jump gone bad when he came back to the US. Also damaged 5 discs in his back on that one. Something happened over there that broke him mentally. Still not sure what. He would never let anybody in to that part of his soul. He fought his demons for 11 years. Some really good times and some really bad times. We buried him in January 2017. Sorry our parenting skills are not up to your standards. Saying any more will get me banned. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:42:40 PM EDT
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People keep talking about a lack of medical education in this thread.
I took the ARC naloxone provider course and the state of TN version the second it dropped. They aren't written for neuro clerkship level people. In fact, I think I spent less than 30 minutes total on the three classes I wound up taking. At least one of them had injection instructions, I think. Been over a year or so. OP - get the powder version off ebay or some bleeding heart types in your community. Throw it in the oh shit bag. Take the training and forget about it. If a situation comes up where you feel compelled or led to act, you're ready to go. Few worse feelings than needing to help and not being able to do shit about it. Having said that, the chemical is the tip of the iceberg in that situation, as multiple others have pointed out. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:47:59 PM EDT
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Didn't read OP. I am not buying that shit, if you OD, you deserve to be Darwin'd.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:50:00 PM EDT
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We don't either, as long as respirations are of sufficient quality to maintain sufficient o2 saturation, as you said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: We don't even narcan them as long as they are maintaining sufficient breathing. Easy to deal with a passed out junky than a wide awake and angry junky who is pissed that you just took away their $10 high. |
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