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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:19:07 PM EDT
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Let's see. That one sunk in its maiden voyage. All the carrier's we have, have made many voyages. And unlike the Russian carrier, ours don't need a couple of tugs to be a part of its fleet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened to the last ship that claimed to be 'unsinkable'? Let's see. That one sunk in its maiden voyage. All the carrier's we have, have made many voyages. And unlike the Russian carrier, ours don't need a couple of tugs to be a part of its fleet. That one with the fancy claim was built by Irishmen. It would've sunk soon no matter how it was designed! 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 2:00:13 PM EDT
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Yeah, but one successful test does not equal "We can do this every time." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My memory's a little fuzzy, but didn't we shoot down a sattelite in LEO with Aegis and SM-3? Satellite in LEO is moving at, what, 10k mph? Yeah, but one successful test does not equal "We can do this every time." It was actually a pretty stressing engagement. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 2:09:01 PM EDT
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My thesis paper involved several hundred cigarette boats armed with several more hundred surface to air/surface to surface/ anti ship missiles. A few are going to get through How far out can a cigarette boat get into the open ocean, even one way, can it launch in a reasonable sea state, and can it carry enough C2 stuff to orient itself against a target moving at 30 kts+? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 2:28:28 PM EDT
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It was actually a pretty stressing engagement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My memory's a little fuzzy, but didn't we shoot down a sattelite in LEO with Aegis and SM-3? Satellite in LEO is moving at, what, 10k mph? Yeah, but one successful test does not equal "We can do this every time." It was actually a pretty stressing engagement. With well understood geometry and timing |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:34:54 PM EDT
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How far out can a cigarette boat get into the open ocean, even one way, can it launch in a reasonable sea state, and can it carry enough C2 stuff to orient itself against a target moving at 30 kts+? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thesis paper involved several hundred cigarette boats armed with several more hundred surface to air/surface to surface/ anti ship missiles. A few are going to get through How far out can a cigarette boat get into the open ocean, even one way, can it launch in a reasonable sea state, and can it carry enough C2 stuff to orient itself against a target moving at 30 kts+? 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:49:50 PM EDT
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How far out can a cigarette boat get into the open ocean, even one way, can it launch in a reasonable sea state, and can it carry enough C2 stuff to orient itself against a target moving at 30 kts+? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thesis paper involved several hundred cigarette boats armed with several more hundred surface to air/surface to surface/ anti ship missiles. A few are going to get through How far out can a cigarette boat get into the open ocean, even one way, can it launch in a reasonable sea state, and can it carry enough C2 stuff to orient itself against a target moving at 30 kts+? These can get out quite a ways .jpg)
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:15:24 PM EDT
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Why would they do it in the open ocean? http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/strait-of-hormuz.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thesis paper involved several hundred cigarette boats armed with several more hundred surface to air/surface to surface/ anti ship missiles. A few are going to get through How far out can a cigarette boat get into the open ocean, even one way, can it launch in a reasonable sea state, and can it carry enough C2 stuff to orient itself against a target moving at 30 kts+? http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/strait-of-hormuz.jpg There's a case to be made that Carriers do not belong in the Persian Gulf for precisely that reason. It's narrow, shallow, and only accessible through a choke point. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:21:43 PM EDT
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These can get out quite a ways http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WxeuRx5nypk/U22oU26aBhI/AAAAAAAAArA/jm-qRHuapG0/s1600/Type+022+(4).jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thesis paper involved several hundred cigarette boats armed with several more hundred surface to air/surface to surface/ anti ship missiles. A few are going to get through How far out can a cigarette boat get into the open ocean, even one way, can it launch in a reasonable sea state, and can it carry enough C2 stuff to orient itself against a target moving at 30 kts+? These can get out quite a ways http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WxeuRx5nypk/U22oU26aBhI/AAAAAAAAArA/jm-qRHuapG0/s1600/Type+022+(4).jpg Oh, c'mon, the Chinese only have a few more than 80 of them, they've only got 8 missiles each, and they've only got a AK-630 CIWS to make sure they each soak up more than 1 missile... they're absolutely no threat. Especially not in confined waters like the South China Sea where they can hide amongst all the little atolls... |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:33:10 PM EDT
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... but they are still 1100 foot long ships that sit sixty feet out of the water and putts along at ~30 mph. You a funny man Dr. Jones. She's got a lot more than that on tap when needed. Some people here may know but they aren't gonna tell. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:34:55 PM EDT
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There's a case to be made that Carriers do not belong in the Persian Gulf for precisely that reason. It's narrow, shallow, and only accessible through a choke point. Too bad we put all our eggs in the F-18 basket. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:37:07 PM EDT
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Too bad we put all our eggs in the F-18 basket. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a case to be made that Carriers do not belong in the Persian Gulf for precisely that reason. It's narrow, shallow, and only accessible through a choke point. Too bad we put all our eggs in the F-18 basket. I have trouble keeping up with the prevailing opinion on ARF. Is this week the week that we should be buying Super Hornets instead of F-35s or is this the week that we should be resurrecting the A-12 program? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:41:56 PM EDT
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You a funny man Dr. Jones. She's got a lot more than that on tap when needed. Some people here may know but they aren't gonna tell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... but they are still 1100 foot long ships that sit sixty feet out of the water and putts along at ~30 mph. You a funny man Dr. Jones. She's got a lot more than that on tap when needed. Some people here may know but they aren't gonna tell. Few more WEPS on board than are being discussed too. 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:53:37 PM EDT
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I have trouble keeping up with the prevailing opinion on ARF. Is this week the week that we should be buying Super Hornets instead of F-35s or is this the week that we should be resurrecting the A-12 program? This is Super-Tomcat week.... or was that last week? It might be buy CATOBAR F-22s to save money week. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 8:09:56 PM EDT
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If you can get close enough you could try a sticky bomb I was thinking frogmen with P38 can openers, stealthily cutting holes below the waterline. 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 8:21:43 PM EDT
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I have trouble keeping up with the prevailing opinion on ARF. Is this week the week that we should be buying Super Hornets instead of F-35s or is this the week that we should be resurrecting the A-12 program? Super Tomcat and whatever they were calling the re-engined and re-winged A-6, plus whatever you need (something F-35ish?) to run Iron Hand on Day 1 to allow the vastly improved F-14 and A-6 to operate. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:09:24 PM EDT
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There's a case to be made that Carriers do not belong in the Persian Gulf for precisely that reason. It's narrow, shallow, and only accessible through a choke point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would they do it in the open ocean? http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/strait-of-hormuz.jpg There's a case to be made that Carriers do not belong in the Persian Gulf for precisely that reason. It's narrow, shallow, and only accessible through a choke point.
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:21:27 PM EDT
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If only there was some sort of heavily armored ship that could be festooned with weapons that could be used to force keeping it open against threats like the speed boat attack units the Iranians have, as well as covered in anti-missile tech both existing and emerging. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would they do it in the open ocean? http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/strait-of-hormuz.jpg There's a case to be made that Carriers do not belong in the Persian Gulf for precisely that reason. It's narrow, shallow, and only accessible through a choke point. 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:34:17 PM EDT
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A quarter inch hole in the hull will do the trick if unattended. Titanic anyone?? Short answer, YES.
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:16:10 PM EDT
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A quarter inch hole in the hull will do the trick if unattended. Titanic anyone?? Short answer, YES. It took something like 15 minutes to sink with an open top, and about 4-5 big holes in the hull varying from 1' circles, to 1 1/2' foot by 3 foot ovals. A 1/4' hole in a carrier hull would take forever to flood enough to reduce buoyancy, and even then, would have to do so in a way that makes the buoyant force zero, meaning and instability putting the hole on the bottom of the boat if it rolls traps air, and if it rolls the hole out of the water no more incoming water... buoyancy maintained. 
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Posted: 1/26/2017 10:46:53 AM EDT
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A quarter inch hole in the hull will do the trick if unattended. Titanic anyone?? Short answer, YES. A ship with any age on it likely already has much bigger holes in the hull. That's what the pumps are for. My dad worked in a ship yard in his youth. One day they had him welding up holes in a ships hull. He said they were big enough to put your arm through. His boss comes by and says "pull your leads out were putting her back in the water"...  I guess someone ran out of money or their check bounced.
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Posted: 1/26/2017 1:53:08 PM EDT
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I have trouble keeping up with the prevailing opinion on ARF. Is this week the week that we should be buying Super Hornets instead of F-35s or is this the week that we should be resurrecting the A-12 program? There is still an A-12 AQD floating around 
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