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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:32:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: RDS on pistols have gotten more popular. Some handguns don't lend themselves to having a RDS due to design. Others do. Are you moving to RDS on all pistols that you can? Why keep any with iron sights if you don't have to? Taylor Swift is popular too, doesn’t mean it’s the best option for music. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:32:59 PM EDT
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I bought a HK P30sk to edc without a light or optic.
My Glocks and Beretta 92x both have optics and lights. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:34:13 PM EDT
[#3]
Working guns all have electronic optics.
Some of the play guns still have irons. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:35:38 PM EDT
[#4]
No
1) iron sights are good for CC 2) I am a poor Not exactly poor, but I can't have everything, and I have too many other things that cost money in my life. Just having ammo for an occasional range trip is a luxury these days. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:35:56 PM EDT
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Nope. Tried it, but didn't like it on my Sig P365 XL. Red dots are nice for long distance shooting, but I have a rifle with a red dot for that. I don't have a problem hitting a human sized target within 20 yards anyway.
For cc my dot kept getting all dirty from ball dust and pocket lint, I don't have to worry about that as much with iron sights. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:36:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No 1) iron sights are good for CC 2) I am a poor Not exactly poor, but I can't have everything, and I have too many other things that cost money in my life. Just having ammo for an occasional range trip is a luxury these days. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought a HK P30sk to edc without a light or optic. My Glocks and Beretta 92x both have optics and lights. You do you, and from personal experience, the P30SK is a PITA to put an optic on, but an RMR sized optic isn't going to meaningfully make it less easy to carry. LCM-sized? I'm with you. Nice shooter though. I like mine. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:38:05 PM EDT
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All my current and future carry guns have optic cuts.
Iron sights are range toys. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:39:10 PM EDT
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I can’t fit my j frame revolver or the sig 365 in my front jean pocket if it had RDS on it
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:39:25 PM EDT
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I have both. I practice with both.
Soon iron sights will be like driving a stick. Not popular, but a useful skill to have. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:39:34 PM EDT
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For most sure, but I’d rather a 1911 be stock, as well as an M9/Beretta 92.
And goes without saying leaving older, C&R, classic, antique, etc pistols unmolested |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do you, and from personal experience, the P30SK is a PITA to put an optic on, but an RMR sized optic isn't going to meaningfully make it less easy to carry. LCM-sized? I'm with you. Nice shooter though. I like mine. Langdon is doing optic cuts now (and I may send the P30 to them for their trigger work) but I have about 12 RMRs and an SRO now and I just don't feel like buying another for this pistol. I do carry a small surefire pocket light to hold in my offhand should the need arise. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:40:54 PM EDT
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I have a PSA Dagger on my range belt that only has irons. But Glocks get dots.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Langdon is doing optic cuts now (and I may send the P30 to them for their trigger work) but I have about 12 RMRs and an SRO now and I just don't feel like buying another for this pistol. I do carry a small surefire pocket light to hold in my offhand should the need arise. Langdon you say....hmmmm. Thanks! I just can't do irons anymore with my eyes. I'm at the point of getting a funky prescription and trying taping an aperture over my shooting glasses to try and focus on the front sight for this 45. So I'm RMR (and after this vortex experience, it will be RMR) all the things. Sucks getting old. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:44:41 PM EDT
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I've had an RMR for my G17 for a while but still need to get it milled (also need a light). I want an RMRcc for my 48 but that'll have to take a back seat, at least I have Ameriglos on it. I never shoot my trade in 22 so that doesn't matter.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:44:55 PM EDT
[#16]
For me, irons for precision and dots for speed.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:45:46 PM EDT
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I had one on a Glock 41 for handgun hunting. I can see the utility in that scenario. For a special forces operator or maybe certain police roles where you train heavily on one specific gun and get your presentation right I can see some utility there. For someone who conceal carries a multitude of different guns it's more of a problem. Not going to put a red dot on a j-frame I pocket carry occasionally. Not going to put one on a regular G43 where the entire point of the gun is to be small.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:47:07 PM EDT
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I have 2 pistols with dots they are both range toys. My gen 2 g19 is my ccw. It have meprolight tru-dot night sights on it.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:50:52 PM EDT
[#19]
Iron sights have worked well for a long time. They are rugged, cheap and small. I like them.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:51:23 PM EDT
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Rule number 1, never sell a gun you may never get it back.
If you sell the gun then when you need that gun then it is gone. What will the Grand kids have to shoot if you sell the gun. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:52:53 PM EDT
[#21]
No.
I guess I'd consider it if I only had a couple of pistols. With the fantastic pricing on CZ, Turkish, etc. right now I'd rather just buy more pistols than spend that money on optics. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:55:02 PM EDT
[#22]
At 55, irons are a blur.
The red dot is life. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:56:18 PM EDT
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I have both optic equipped and irons equipped slides for a couple of pistols so they can go back and forth.
They're optic fluid. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:57:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Langdon you say....hmmmm. Thanks! I just can't do irons anymore with my eyes. I'm at the point of getting a funky prescription and trying taping an aperture over my shooting glasses to try and focus on the front sight for this 45. So I'm RMR (and after this vortex experience, it will be RMR) all the things. Sucks getting old. Langdon optic cut for P30 series I love my RMRs. I have them on my shotgun (no issues with full power loads), my AR10 offset to my scope, on top of an ACOG, and on several handguns. I recently bought an SRO for my 92x that's optic cut (also Langdon), I got the Jagerwerks exoskeleton for it as it's not as robust as the RMRs but I do love the bigger window. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:59:32 PM EDT
[#25]
I had one RD equipped Pistol and did not like it enough to switch all of them. Switching only one messed up my presentation.
Now Irobs on every Handgun again. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 12:59:51 PM EDT
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I have a Dagger full size with a suppressor. It has the taller iron sights meant to be suppressor hight. The slide is also cut for an RMR. I want to get an RMR but will it work with the suppressor or do I need to get some special red dot that is taller then normal?
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:00:19 PM EDT
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Gonna send in a couple Glock slides to Battlewerks when I get the money. I have some debt to take care of first. Plus, I'll need not only a couple rds, but also suppressor height sights. That will add up quick. I'm doing ok, but I'm not rich or even upper middle class.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:03:15 PM EDT
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Optics for range toys and "tactical" toys.
Irons, or no sights, for CCW. I could care less if my Trijicon dots are lit, etc. Point and shoot. Any further than that and I'm either evading, or using a long gun |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:14:52 PM EDT
[#29]
I have a few with red dots, but most of my pistols aren’t cut for them. The cost to cut my slides and then get red dots would be prohibitively expensive since I have over 15 glocks including other brands and styles that aren’t rds ready.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:23:46 PM EDT
[#30]
I still shoot some iron sighted divisions.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:24:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Optics for range toys and "tactical" toys. Irons, or no sights, for CCW. I could care less if my Trijicon dots are lit, etc. Point and shoot. Any further than that and I'm either evading, or using a long gun Might as well get the retardation started early in this thread. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:24:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:26:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Iron sights have worked well for a long time. They are rugged, cheap and small. I like them. Plus, irons never fail.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:27:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had one on a Glock 41 for handgun hunting. I can see the utility in that scenario. For a special forces operator or maybe certain police roles where you train heavily on one specific gun and get your presentation right I can see some utility there. For someone who conceal carries a multitude of different guns it's more of a problem. Not going to put a red dot on a j-frame I pocket carry occasionally. Not going to put one on a regular G43 where the entire point of the gun is to be small. Why should you not be training heavily with your carry gun as an armed civilian? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:28:17 PM EDT
[#35]
It’s good to be proficient with both.
I do about 50/50. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:28:25 PM EDT
[#36]
Nope, i traded my G43X MOS for a flint lock.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:28:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For me, irons for precision and dots for speed. With most reticles being smaller then a front sight and without the need for perfect alignment, why do you not believe optics to be capable of greater precision than irons? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:29:42 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: RDS on pistols have gotten more popular. Some handguns don't lend themselves to having a RDS due to design. Others do. Are you moving to RDS on all pistols that you can? Why keep any with iron sights if you don't have to? Because they HAVE TO co-witness! 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:29:55 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Tried it, but didn't like it on my Sig P365 XL. Red dots are nice for long distance shooting, but I have a rifle with a red dot for that. I don't have a problem hitting a human sized target within 20 yards anyway. For cc my dot kept getting all dirty from ball dust and pocket lint, I don't have to worry about that as much with iron sights. I don’t worry about it with an optic either. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:30:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Not putting an RDS on my compact guns, kind of defeats the purpose for me, esp. with pocket carry.
Also not getting all my other ones milled for one. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:31:32 PM EDT
[#41]
I shoot better with red dots because my eyes suck so if I can put a red dot in it - it gets one.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:31:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why should you not be training heavily with your carry gun as an armed civilian? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had one on a Glock 41 for handgun hunting. I can see the utility in that scenario. For a special forces operator or maybe certain police roles where you train heavily on one specific gun and get your presentation right I can see some utility there. For someone who conceal carries a multitude of different guns it's more of a problem. Not going to put a red dot on a j-frame I pocket carry occasionally. Not going to put one on a regular G43 where the entire point of the gun is to be small. Why should you not be training heavily with your carry gun as an armed civilian? Most people don't think they have time to train, when in reality they don't know how to manage their time effectively. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:31:46 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they HAVE TO co-witness! lol 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:32:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Working guns all have electronic optics. Some of the play guns still have irons.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:33:06 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people don't think they have time to train, when in reality they don't know how to manage their time effectively. Bingo |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For me, irons for precision and dots for speed. Complete opposite for me. I’m working on my rds speed though. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:38:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus, irons never fail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/804B9BA0-9750-4B8F-8EAB-F6817349C676_jpe-3039579.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:38:50 PM EDT
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RDS on pistols rock! No, not all of my pistols will have RDS. I don’t HAVE to keep the wife I have when there are newer, more modern models available. But I still like her they way she is.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:40:51 PM EDT
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People really overthink it. Use RDS or don't.
There are a ton of things more important. 1) Have you tested your pistol in the exact configuration you're carrying it? Same ammo, same mag, with or without light? 2) Does your pistol shoot close to point of aim? 3) Do you actually carry your pistol? 4) Do you have a BUG or extra ammo? 5) Are you good at avoiding bad situations? Do you have good situational awareness? Can you defuse an argument? There's no one-size-fits-all answer for pistol RDS. It seems to be very advantageous for accuracy, but maybe you don't want to spend the money (e.g. you're a college student), you don't want the extra bulk (e.g. ankle or pocket carry), etc. I'd consider getting one with a larger window and a battery that can be loaded from the top, and make sure the screws are secure. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 1:42:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might as well get the retardation started early in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Optics for range toys and "tactical" toys. Irons, or no sights, for CCW. I could care less if my Trijicon dots are lit, etc. Point and shoot. Any further than that and I'm either evading, or using a long gun Might as well get the retardation started early in this thread. I was going to light the Sasha-signal if I didn't see you were already in the thread, LOL. Might as well take 4-5 of your bullet points on RDS and sticky them to the top of GD. |
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